Maurice Smith Alabama DB transfer

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

As I understand that NCAA paragraphs, even if you graduated, the school you graduate from still has to grant you a release, when you have one year of eligibility left and want to play your last of eligibility somewhere else. Obviously whether you stay at Alabama go somewhere else, you will be attending post graduate classes, like in the Masters program.

My point is that based on my recollection, when students don't want to use that last remaining year of eligibility at their current school, once they graduated, that usually most coaches give them the release. I know we did it with that offense lineman that went to UCLA. Can't remember his name, somebody might want to look it up.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

I'm not reading that, I'm on vacation.

Even graduate transfers need permission from their school.

Franchise. I don't believe this is true.

Smith is free to go WHEN he graduates. Bama cannot block him at that point. But, previous reports have said that he will graduate in August. So, Bama is being tough asserting that he is locked in until that date and cannot go to his new school before his graduation. Bama may be trying to retain him. We just have to sit tight.

Read the rules posted. That's not my interpretation.

 

[Dingaan1828]

I'm not reading that, I'm on vacation.

Even graduate transfers need permission from their school.

Franchise. I don't believe this is true.

Smith is free to go WHEN he graduates. Bama cannot block him at that point. But, previous reports have said that he will graduate in August. So, Bama is being tough asserting that he is locked in until that date and cannot go to his new school before his graduation. Bama may be trying to retain him. We just have to sit tight.

Read the rules posted. That's not my interpretation.

I agree. I think if the NCAA tried really hard they might be able to make the rules even more convoluted.

 

[Miamicane]

As I understand that NCAA paragraphs, even if you graduated, the school you graduate from still has to grant you a release, when you have one year of eligibility left and want to play your last of eligibility somewhere else. Obviously whether you stay at Alabama go somewhere else, you will be attending post graduate classes, like in the Masters program.

My point is that based on my recollection, when students don't want to use that last remaining year of eligibility at their current school, once they graduated, that usually most coaches give them the release. I know we did it with that offense lineman that went to UCLA. Can't remember his name, somebody might want to look it up.

Malcolm Bunche, I believe.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

That's him

 

[Notsince1985]

I'm glad Nick Saban thinks we're so much of threat

 

[TheMatador]

I imagine that this is just Alabama policy. Until he graduates they stop him from transferring. Come August he will go. It is annoying and inconvenient for Smith, but they are more interested in the precedent then the player.

That's how they take care of their young men, you know, family!!

They're just hoping if they're tough with him he will change his mind and stay. They envision him as playing a significant role as a nickel back, so they don't want him to leave.

We've been tough with kids who wanted to transfer, among them Scott Covington and even earlier, Darren Krein. Both eventually stayed and did well at the U. I don't blame Krein, he was recruited by Jimmy Johnson and just after he signed his LOI Johnson leaves. I think now, most schools grant releases, don't they?

 

[TheMatador]

I'm glad Nick Saban thinks we're so much of threat

I doubt that's the issue. If Saban believes the kid is a key part of their nickel package, he doesn't want him leaving, period. Still, the NCAA and colleges treat these kids like semi-slaves. He should have some freedom to move if he thinks it will enhance his possibilities of a pro career.

 

[TheMatador]

Graduate transfers need to be granted a release? Thats news to me. I just thought he had to pick a major that wasn't offered at Bama? He should just be able to pick a major of either Marine Biology, African Studies, or Dentistry and be on his way.

Or English.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

He needs to go public. Start talking on Twitter in front of recruits about how Saban won't give him a release. If he brings attention to it in a negative light, they'll be glad to be rid of him.

 

[The Franchise]

I'm not reading that, I'm on vacation.

Even graduate transfers need permission from their school.

Franchise. I don't believe this is true.

Smith is free to go WHEN he graduates. Bama cannot block him at that point. But, previous reports have said that he will graduate in August. So, Bama is being tough asserting that he is locked in until that date and cannot go to his new school before his graduation. Bama may be trying to retain him. We just have to sit tight.

Incorrect. There's a clear rule on it. Graduate transfers need a release from the school they're leaving.

 

[The Franchise]

He needs to go public. Start talking on Twitter in front of recruits about how Saban won't give him a release. If he brings attention to it in a negative light, they'll be glad to be rid of him.

Correct. All it would take is him going public and giving Alabama bad pub. They'd let him go in two seconds if he did that.

 

[TemplarCane]

I believe the rule is intended to eliminate the transfer requirement to sit out a season when the athlete only has one year of eligibility remaining. I also recall a stipulation the athlete's current school does not have a graduate program the athlete wants to puruse.

I believe Alabama does need to grant Smith a release.

 

[TemplarCane]

I imagine that this is just Alabama policy. Until he graduates they stop him from transferring. Come August he will go. It is annoying and inconvenient for Smith, but they are more interested in the precedent then the player.

That's how they take care of their young men, you know, family!!

They're just hoping if they're tough with him he will change his mind and stay. They envision him as playing a significant role as a nickel back, so they don't want him to leave.

We've been tough with kids who wanted to transfer, among them Scott Covington and even earlier, Darren Krein. Both eventually stayed and did well at the U. I don't blame Krein, he was recruited by Jimmy Johnson and just after he signed his LOI Johnson leaves. I think now, most schools grant releases, don't they?

Schools generally stipulate the athlete cannot transfer to another school in the same conference or to an OOC school on the schedule during the athlete's remaining eligibility.

Randy Shannon believed schools were poaching Robert Marve, so he initially refused a release to any school in the SEC and ACC, as well as USF and UCF. At least that is my recollection. Marve ended up at Purdue.

 

[MedleyCane]

Was this rule altered within the last year or two?
I always thought players were free to transfer to another Div1A program without having to sit a year, or get a release, if they
graduated from previous school.
The rule is unjust if players still require a release.
I love how the NCAA talks a good game about looking out for the student-athlete and then you have this rule which
scrrews them.

 

[MedleyCane]

I imagine that this is just Alabama policy. Until he graduates they stop him from transferring. Come August he will go. It is annoying and inconvenient for Smith, but they are more interested in the precedent then the player.

That's how they take care of their young men, you know, family!!

They're just hoping if they're tough with him he will change his mind and stay. They envision him as playing a significant role as a nickel back, so they don't want him to leave.

We've been tough with kids who wanted to transfer, among them Scott Covington and even earlier, Darren Krein. Both eventually stayed and did well at the U. I don't blame Krein, he was recruited by Jimmy Johnson and just after he signed his LOI Johnson leaves. I think now, most schools grant releases, don't they?

Schools generally stipulate the athlete cannot transfer to another school in the same conference or to an OOC school on the schedule during the athlete's remaining eligibility.

Randy Shannon believed schools were poaching Robert Marve, so he initially refused a release to any school in the SEC and ACC, as well as USF and UCF. At least that is my recollection. Marve ended up at Purdue.

Darren Krein, Scot Covington, and Marve situations are not comparable to this kid's situation, who has apparently graduated or will do so by
end of summer.

 

[TemplarCane]

I imagine that this is just Alabama policy. Until he graduates they stop him from transferring. Come August he will go. It is annoying and inconvenient for Smith, but they are more interested in the precedent then the player.

That's how they take care of their young men, you know, family!!

They're just hoping if they're tough with him he will change his mind and stay. They envision him as playing a significant role as a nickel back, so they don't want him to leave.

We've been tough with kids who wanted to transfer, among them Scott Covington and even earlier, Darren Krein. Both eventually stayed and did well at the U. I don't blame Krein, he was recruited by Jimmy Johnson and just after he signed his LOI Johnson leaves. I think now, most schools grant releases, don't they?

Schools generally stipulate the athlete cannot transfer to another school in the same conference or to an OOC school on the schedule during the athlete's remaining eligibility.

Randy Shannon believed schools were poaching Robert Marve, so he initially refused a release to any school in the SEC and ACC, as well as USF and UCF. At least that is my recollection. Marve ended up at Purdue.

Darren Krein, Scot Covington, and Marve situations are not comparable to this kid's situation, who has apparently graduated or will do so by
end of summer.

Agreed. I was discussing transfers in general.

I am of the opinion if the athlete graduates he should be free to transfer without requiring a release.

 

[MedleyCane]

That's how they take care of their young men, you know, family!!

They're just hoping if they're tough with him he will change his mind and stay. They envision him as playing a significant role as a nickel back, so they don't want him to leave.

We've been tough with kids who wanted to transfer, among them Scott Covington and even earlier, Darren Krein. Both eventually stayed and did well at the U. I don't blame Krein, he was recruited by Jimmy Johnson and just after he signed his LOI Johnson leaves. I think now, most schools grant releases, don't they?

Schools generally stipulate the athlete cannot transfer to another school in the same conference or to an OOC school on the schedule during the athlete's remaining eligibility.

Randy Shannon believed schools were poaching Robert Marve, so he initially refused a release to any school in the SEC and ACC, as well as USF and UCF. At least that is my recollection. Marve ended up at Purdue.

Darren Krein, Scot Covington, and Marve situations are not comparable to this kid's situation, who has apparently graduated or will do so by
end of summer.

Agreed. I was discussing transfers in general.

I am of the opinion if the athlete graduates he should be free to transfer without requiring a release.

Yep.
In agreement.

 

[The Franchise]

Was this rule altered within the last year or two?
I always thought players were free to transfer to another Div1A program without having to sit a year, or get a release, if they
graduated from previous school.
The rule is unjust if players still require a release.
I love how the NCAA talks a good game about looking out for the student-athlete and then you have this rule which
scrrews them.

Pretty sure the rule was changed after the first year. The NCAA claimed they wanted to stop a free for all situation where players were just becoming free agents.

 

[MedleyCane]

Was this rule altered within the last year or two?
I always thought players were free to transfer to another Div1A program without having to sit a year, or get a release, if they
graduated from previous school.
The rule is unjust if players still require a release.
I love how the NCAA talks a good game about looking out for the student-athlete and then you have this rule which
scrrews them.

Pretty sure the rule was changed after the first year. The NCAA claimed they wanted to stop a free for all situation where players were just becoming free agents.

Well that sux.
It reminds me of college baseball where players used to be allowed to transfer without having to sit out a year.
I thought that was a good rule benefiting both the traditional powers as well as the weak programs and it was
a good rule for the athlete in a sport where scholies are partials.

Back to football, apparently free-for-alls are acceptable for coaches bolting programs.
Hypocrisy.