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Mark Richt coaching tree

CanesAreAble said:
DiegoCane said:
VanGorder was the HC at Georgia Southern 1 year, Callaway was fired at UAB, jury still out on Bobo.

You say that people poach from winning staffs yet no one was poaching UGA coaches. Isn't that at all concerning? Perhaps they get over the hump, win a few more SEC titles if Richt had hired great assistants.

Its a wait and see since we don't know who will be on the staff, I hope he makes great hires. Just because we are commenting on a legit concern about Richt doesn't mean we hate the guy.
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VanGorder was also a DC in the NFL for four years, and Neil Callaway was head coach at UAB for five years. Muschamp got fired, so is that a black mark on Saban's résumé?

I haven't followed the career paths of other Georgia assistants, so I have no idea what they've done. I'm not overly concerned by this. I'll be a little concerned if Richt hires some dog**** DC.
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Muschamp is still in high demand. Fired at UF, bidding war for his DC services, hired at SCarolina.

Its not a good thing when one of the best we can come up with for Richt in 15 years is a guy fired from UAB (but he lasted 5 years going 18-42) and currently a OL coach at WKentucky.

Again, I'm hoping he hires monster assistants. However, his track record is mediocre and could explain why UGA was never able to get to the promise land. NCs are all I care about at Miami.
 
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FullyERicht said:
I'd love to discuss all the elite coaches that came up under Richt in his 15 years at UGA.

Since I am unable to find any, I figure the board can use this post to inform me.....
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one word bill belichick. name one succesful head coach that came from the belichick tree? go on ill give u a sec. let me see bill o'brien is closest and the rest have blown. **** they were disasters.

some coaches like bill walsh, bill parcells , nick saban have great coaching trees. other great coaches don't. its not an exact science. wade phillips is one of top dc's in football yr in yr out. he sucks as a head coach.
 
FullyERicht said:
I'd love to discuss all the elite coaches that came up under Richt in his 15 years at UGA.

Since I am unable to find any, I figure the board can use this post to inform me.....
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Richt won 2 SEC titles, finished in the AP Top 5 three times and the AP Top 10 six times.

This whole thread is really pretty silly, especially considering that Richt has really only had two OCs during his tenure at UGa. Yes, Calloway was listed as such, but he never called plays (although he did become the head coach at UAB - an extremely difficult place to be successful). Bobo was completed trained by Richt and was prolific his last few years until he was hired at CSU. It's still early, but I believe he will be successful and actually interviewed for the Mizzou job this year. Schotty was just awful, but he we an OC for two different NFL teams, so he was not without a resume.

On the defensive side, Van Gorder is an exceptional defensive talent as evidenced by successful tenures at UGA, Atlanta Falcon, Notre Dame, and others along with one awful year as a head coach at Georgia Southern (from which he bolted to the NFL). Martinez was promoted by Richt and had a couple of decent years and then went downhill quickly, and was subsequently fired. Grantham came in and did so poorly that Louisville hired him for One Million Dollars (read it In a Dr Evil voice, please). Finally, Richt pulled Pruitt who is an incredible talent and who managed to get a DC job with Sab(t)an himself after not being retained by Smart (who was first hired by Richt before he ever worked for Saban).

So yes, Richt made a mistake with Schotty and with Martinez (though the mistake was not the promotion, but rather not firing him sooner). His other coaches on offense have been solid and, with the exception of this past year, have shown excellent production. Until literally this past year, he was extremely hamstrung in what he could spend on assistants. Again, people like to talk about how Richt had SEC level resources...he didn't. UGA's spend in football was 7th in the SEC from 2008 thru 2013. Some people like to claim he did less with more. That is clearly not the case.

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FullyERicht said:
CanesTalent Scout said:
FullyERicht said:
Miami82 said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
Valid concern but it's not some smoking gun as to Richt's ability to win big here. Plenty of examples have been brought up already.
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Agreed, but I think this entire conversation on his past staff and what he is doing here could be the smoking gun as to why he hasn't become elite.

As this and many other boards have shown, you don't question the new hire until its apparent to everyone he is a failure... smh
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Yea it isn't exactly a mystery why a guy who recruits that well and has a clearly elite pedigree and coaching acumen ****s the bed every year when you look at the corches he hired.
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145-51, the SEC, coached 16 All-Americans during his coaching tenure - remarkable achievements when "you look at the corches he hired." This thread demonstrates unequivocally just how dumb many "Hurricane fans" are.
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How many SEC titles? How many National championships? Top 5 finishes? The guy is a very good coach who loses big games and makes very questionable hiring decisions. Is it unfair to say what the guy is? What is so hurtful about being honest about our new coach?
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FullyERicht said:
DiegoCane said:
CanesAreAble said:
Not terribly worried about this. Richt had a great record in the SEC and put a ton of guys in the NFL, so he and his staff must've been doing something right. Plus Brian VanGorder, Neil Callaway, and Mike Bobo all got head coaching jobs. How many coaches have "elite" coaching trees anyway? When you win, people poach from your staff, but that doesn't mean the coaches are good. For example, Steve Addazio's offenses have stunk, and he might be a year away from getting ****-canned at BC.
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VanGorder was the HC at Georgia Southern 1 year, Callaway was fired at UAB, jury still out on Bobo.

You say that people poach from winning staffs yet no one was poaching UGA coaches. Isn't that at all concerning? Perhaps they get over the hump, win a few more SEC titles if Richt had hired great assistants.

Its a wait and see since we don't know who will be on the staff, I hope he makes great hires. Just because we are commenting on a legit concern about Richt doesn't mean we hate the guy.
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Everything is black and white with these folks. There is no nuance.

I like Richt. He's clearly a very good coach. But here's a secret: very good isn't enough for me. I don't want to be what UGA was. At all.

I want to win titles. Anything less, and the coach can GTFOH. I think Richt can win, but he will need a great staff to do so. I'm skeptical of hiring a bunch of your own former players and don't qualify that as hiring a great staff, the kind of staff he needs to actually win something of significance.
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Do you really feel you are qualified to make a judgment on who is a good coach or a bad coach? What is your evaluation rubric? Have you evaluated a coach before? I hear you make quite a few negative statements towards these coaches because of their youth.... I would argue that starting your evaluation off of age would be a poor start. I am sure most of us have seen great young coaches and we have also seen really poor older, more experienced coaches. I am not saying just hire young guns I am saying coaching ability does not necessarily go hand in hand with age. Hire a dynamic teacher with charisma and technical skills who also has a strong work ethic and you are going to be in really good shape, regardless of age.
 
Chizik has a national title ... Miles has a national title ... Fisher has a national title. None of those guys have great "coaching trees".

Here's the formula if your name isn't Saban or Meyer:

Recruit your *** off, find some difference-makers on both sides of the ball, and have some luck during your season.

Do that, and you'll get your shot to win big!

I don't care about Richt's coaching tree. He wins here, his tree will look very different over the next 5-7 years, IMO.
 
How does one define a coaching tree? Is it from the first job (i.e Grad assistant) or the coach that the assistant spent most time with? If it's the former, than Randy Shannon would fall under the Dennis Erickson tree since he was a GA under him. If it's the latter, then Jim Harbaugh would fall under the immortal Bill Callahan coaching tree.
 
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I put Richt in the tier II category of coaches. I put him with Jimbo, Les Miles, etc. I think it would be more fair to compare his coaching tree to those guys for a more fair comparison.
 
UMFarArcher said:
Shouldda hired Butch.

Top recruits, top coaches.
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_____________ is really making us look silly by scooping up Butch. I can't wait to see how many titles Butch brings in to _____________ over the next five years.

Feel free to fill in the blanks when Butch actually lands a job.
 
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Are some of you immune to the truth?

Richt doesn't have a great coaching tree which is a little bizzare for an accomplished coach and an interesting topic to discuss.

Take a step back, remove Richts sack from your mouths and deal with it. The Mark Richt orgy session is getting annoying before he's even hired a coach. Can we be tentative about anything? Or should we prop this dude up to unattainable heights and then come after him with pitchforks after his first 9 win season?
 
I can't wait till next week.
At that time we'll be able to assess the coaching hires and share our opinions on whether or not CMR put a good staff together.

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FullyERicht said:
frostycane said:
Hey Fully, if what you want to do is root for Saban or Urban there is a place to do that. Its just not on Canesinsight. Ohh look, someone else that knows what the best coaches in CFB are. Well thank you. But neither of them want any part of this university so maybe its time to let it go. It gets so old when guys sit here and just site the two best coaches in the game, not realizing how many coaches there are. Do you think the rest of the NFL would like Bill Belichick for their coach? Yeah me too.... Oh wait, I'm a life long Pats fan. We do have him.
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Ok but the problem is you have fans who are saying "well if Richt wants him as coach then he's good with me" as if Mark Richt is Nick Saban. You can't have it both ways. Fans should be skeptical of every inexperienced coach that richt hires. It's common sense.
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Two questions:

What level of experience is acceptable, to you?

Who were your five candidates for Richt's UM job?
 
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