Mark is the wrong coach

[Deez Nuts]

I will never understand why Butch was considered the best hire. He is toothless and irrelevant for the past 15 years. Frank Beamer was his Daddy...1 season is all he had. 1 top ten finish, Richt 6...

Would his first 5 years as Miami coach and his first 4 years as North Carolina coach be acceptable to Cane fans now. I think not. 8-3, 9-3, 5-6, 9-3, 9-4 would get him fired. Richt was 52-13 in his first 5, Butch was 40-19. He is 15-17 in the ACC with great recruiting classes. He did well in a top heavy Big Least...

I don't think Richt is a great hire, but he is a better option than Butch...

I am so glad Blake did not kowtow to the clueless...

Yea your right he has been irrelevant for 15 years except for when he took the NFL browns to the playoffs, brought UNC football up from the grave, and put a ****load of players in the NFL.

His average record at UNC was 7-6. How is that bringing the program up from the grave????

what we got here is a bunch of stat nerds. so you are going to ignore what Butch did at UNC? do you care to explain the circumstances during his time there? he obviously inherited a mess and had a bad first season where he won 4 games, which is how you come up with your little 7-6 average. after that he racked off 8 wins and was on pace for more but yanno, that little NCAA scandal happened and all those suspensions his last year. but yea lets just act like he was a complete failure there and lets also ignore all the NFl talent that came out of his time there.

people talk numbers with knowing what the **** they are talking about. take that 7-6 average and stick it up ur ***

You really are a complete moron who lacks critical thinking skills. Completely.

That statement says a whole lotta nothing. Critical thinking skills does not mean "butch averaged 7-6 at UNC so he sucked" without "critically thinking" about the circumstances surrounding that, you fking dummy.

 

[caneinpsl]

Yea your right he has been irrelevant for 15 years except for when he took the NFL browns to the playoffs, brought UNC football up from the grave, and put a ****load of players in the NFL.

His average record at UNC was 7-6. How is that bringing the program up from the grave????

what we got here is a bunch of stat nerds. so you are going to ignore what Butch did at UNC? do you care to explain the circumstances during his time there? he obviously inherited a mess and had a bad first season where he won 4 games, which is how you come up with your little 7-6 average. after that he racked off 8 wins and was on pace for more but yanno, that little NCAA scandal happened and all those suspensions his last year. but yea lets just act like he was a complete failure there and lets also ignore all the NFl talent that came out of his time there.

people talk numbers with knowing what the **** they are talking about. take that 7-6 average and stick it up ur ***

You really are a complete moron who lacks critical thinking skills. Completely.

That statement says a whole lotta nothing. Critical thinking skills does not mean "butch averaged 7-6 at UNC so he sucked" without "critically thinking" about the circumstances surrounding that, you fking dummy.

Never said he sucked. Just that he isn't at Richt's level. But his 7-6 is lower than the all-time win % at UNC that you thought was so puny.

 

[Deez Nuts]

You said UNC was in the same class as Wake and Duke. Back it up statistically. You can't. You are making a straw argument. Meanwhile you ignore every fact that I've thrown out there. Nothing else I said was invalid. You are just too much of a moron to have an answer for it.

Dont backtrack now. You said UNC dominated the ACC for years. How can I take you serious after a statement like that.

You have to be trolling. unc, wake, duke, uva, nc state, etc...all the same sht...stop trying to nitpick little stats to make UNC out to be some juggernaut.

bama, lsu, auburn, florida in the same class too. now i could nitpick stats and say no bama is better because this and that and the other, but you get the point. so stop trying to put UNC in the same class as fkin Georgia.

You have no feet to stand on after saying that UNC dominated the ACC for years. And then you are sitting here trying to compare UNC to Georgia. Like I said you have to be trolling

You never answered my question little strawman. Because I made one statement that was hyperbole does not invalidate my argument. I'm not trying to put UNC in the same class as UGA. But it's not a whole lot harder to win games there. In fact if you take out Mark Richt's stellar record at UGA, UNC and UGA have the same winning %. And Butch still only won 7 game a season at UNC.

strawman? you are one that said "UNC dominated the ACC for years", not me. Hyperbole??? UNC has never even been close to dominating the ACC wtf are you talking about. thats like me saying the Charlotte Bobcats have been dominating the Eastern Conference for years. your statement couldnt be farther from the truth.

now DEFLECTION is what you are doing. you made one of the dumbest statement a person can possibly make and now you are trying to talk about strawman and STILL you are trying to tell me that UGA isnt a way better job than UNC. you are either delusional or trolling.

No deflection. I ate my mis-statement. Took responsibility. You've not addressed any of the FACTS I have brought up though. THAT is deflection. Little strawman.

I already answered your bs. And no, that wasnt a mis-statement. You meant it until I called you out on it. Then you try to say it was hyperbole. haha like how the fk? that statement isnt even .001% true. u just straight up had no idea what you were talking about

How are you going to talk about FACTS when you are trying to tell people that UNC has been dominating the ACC (i laugh everytime I type that) and they had an impressive .562 winning percentage. obviously you werent using the FACTS when you decided to type that.

 

[Deez Nuts]

His average record at UNC was 7-6. How is that bringing the program up from the grave????

what we got here is a bunch of stat nerds. so you are going to ignore what Butch did at UNC? do you care to explain the circumstances during his time there? he obviously inherited a mess and had a bad first season where he won 4 games, which is how you come up with your little 7-6 average. after that he racked off 8 wins and was on pace for more but yanno, that little NCAA scandal happened and all those suspensions his last year. but yea lets just act like he was a complete failure there and lets also ignore all the NFl talent that came out of his time there.

people talk numbers with knowing what the **** they are talking about. take that 7-6 average and stick it up ur ***

You really are a complete moron who lacks critical thinking skills. Completely.

That statement says a whole lotta nothing. Critical thinking skills does not mean "butch averaged 7-6 at UNC so he sucked" without "critically thinking" about the circumstances surrounding that, you fking dummy.

Never said he sucked. Just that he isn't at Richt's level. But his 7-6 is lower than the all-time win % at UNC that you thought was so puny.

are you going to use those critical thinking skills you were talking about? or are you just going to keep pointing out the misleading 7-6 bs.

 

[caneinpsl]

Dont backtrack now. You said UNC dominated the ACC for years. How can I take you serious after a statement like that.

You have to be trolling. unc, wake, duke, uva, nc state, etc...all the same sht...stop trying to nitpick little stats to make UNC out to be some juggernaut.

bama, lsu, auburn, florida in the same class too. now i could nitpick stats and say no bama is better because this and that and the other, but you get the point. so stop trying to put UNC in the same class as fkin Georgia.

You have no feet to stand on after saying that UNC dominated the ACC for years. And then you are sitting here trying to compare UNC to Georgia. Like I said you have to be trolling

You never answered my question little strawman. Because I made one statement that was hyperbole does not invalidate my argument. I'm not trying to put UNC in the same class as UGA. But it's not a whole lot harder to win games there. In fact if you take out Mark Richt's stellar record at UGA, UNC and UGA have the same winning %. And Butch still only won 7 game a season at UNC.

strawman? you are one that said "UNC dominated the ACC for years", not me. Hyperbole??? UNC has never even been close to dominating the ACC wtf are you talking about. thats like me saying the Charlotte Bobcats have been dominating the Eastern Conference for years. your statement couldnt be farther from the truth.

now DEFLECTION is what you are doing. you made one of the dumbest statement a person can possibly make and now you are trying to talk about strawman and STILL you are trying to tell me that UGA isnt a way better job than UNC. you are either delusional or trolling.

No deflection. I ate my mis-statement. Took responsibility. You've not addressed any of the FACTS I have brought up though. THAT is deflection. Little strawman.

I already answered your bs. And no, that wasnt a mis-statement. You meant it until I called you out on it. Then you try to say it was hyperbole. haha like how the fk? that statement isnt even .001% true. u just straight up had no idea what you were talking about

How are you going to talk about FACTS when you are trying to tell people that UNC has been dominating the ACC (i laugh everytime I type that) and they had an impressive .562 winning percentage. obviously you werent using the FACTS when you decided to type that.

UGA's winning % without Richt is the same .562. And the only thing you answered was bringing up the one statement that I said that was hyperbole.

 

[caneinpsl]

what we got here is a bunch of stat nerds. so you are going to ignore what Butch did at UNC? do you care to explain the circumstances during his time there? he obviously inherited a mess and had a bad first season where he won 4 games, which is how you come up with your little 7-6 average. after that he racked off 8 wins and was on pace for more but yanno, that little NCAA scandal happened and all those suspensions his last year. but yea lets just act like he was a complete failure there and lets also ignore all the NFl talent that came out of his time there.

people talk numbers with knowing what the **** they are talking about. take that 7-6 average and stick it up ur ***

You really are a complete moron who lacks critical thinking skills. Completely.

That statement says a whole lotta nothing. Critical thinking skills does not mean "butch averaged 7-6 at UNC so he sucked" without "critically thinking" about the circumstances surrounding that, you fking dummy.

Never said he sucked. Just that he isn't at Richt's level. But his 7-6 is lower than the all-time win % at UNC that you thought was so puny.

are you going to use those critical thinking skills you were talking about? or are you just going to keep pointing out the misleading 7-6 bs.

What was different about his years at UNC from the other coaches they had??? They weren't under probation. In fact they were cheating. It should have been easier for him.

 

[clg003]

Mark underperformance at GA is well known. Now that he is the coach at Miami. Once again this administration has felled its fan base. All the talking heads and reporters are building this as a great hire. And three to four years. We will be right back here again in mediocrity. We were suppose to get excellence not just good enough.

Leave the site you *****. Go root for another team!

SEC Winning coach is well known.

 

[Deez Nuts]

You really are a complete moron who lacks critical thinking skills. Completely.

That statement says a whole lotta nothing. Critical thinking skills does not mean "butch averaged 7-6 at UNC so he sucked" without "critically thinking" about the circumstances surrounding that, you fking dummy.

Never said he sucked. Just that he isn't at Richt's level. But his 7-6 is lower than the all-time win % at UNC that you thought was so puny.

are you going to use those critical thinking skills you were talking about? or are you just going to keep pointing out the misleading 7-6 bs.

What was different about his years at UNC from the other coaches they had??? They weren't under probation. In fact they were cheating. It should have been easier for him.

Do you even watch college football or do you just google stats on the internet? i already explained up and down this thread about his time at UNC im not gonna keep repeating myself feel free to read the posts.

Anybody who is even a casual fan of college football knows what the deal is with Butch and UNC. Just a few internet nerds looking up stats who dont remember when he was actually at UNC (or maybe were too young) and keep saying he was a failure bc they are looking at his record while he was there.

cmon man. yes i rather have butch than richt but that doesnt mean i dont think richt is a good coach. you dont have to be an extremist and go around exaggerating and using misleading numbers to make a point. you think butch sucks? fine thats your opinion. but just know that it sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about and the stats you are using are misleading. im pretty sure you either werent paying attention to CFB when butch was at UNC or are too young to remember. If thats the case dont be talking about something you have no clue about.

 

[Kcdawg34]

This is just wrong on so many levels. Richt has seven top ten finishes including a #2 (12-2 in 2007), #3 (13-1 in 2002), and #9 (10-3 as recently as 2014). He also finished at #5 in 2012 (12-2) and barely missed the NC game due to and incredible play by the Bama defensive end. He also has nine 10 win seasons (and has won nine games this year with an absolutely horrible QB - possibility for tenth if he coaches and wins the bowl game). He's won the SEC East six times and the SEC Championship twice. I'd say his best single season holds up nicely against Butch's and his college coaching career is significantly better.

He's an excellent coach and an even better man who will do very well for the U. I am very sorry to see him leave UGA.

 

[Kcdawg34]

Richt is a good coach, and this is a good hire. Still think butch's savagery would have been what we needed. We'll be a perennial contender in the division and might be able to beat clemson or fsu for the title too, but I don't think richt has that dog in him, that we know butch does.

I'm pretty sure that Richt is 3-1 versus Clemson and 1-0 versus FSU. Just saying.

 

[Kcdawg34]

To the people knocking Richr. He has as many championships as Butch.

Correct. However, Butch's best season is light years ahead of Richt's best season. He got way closer than Richt ever has.

That's just not true. Richt went 13-1(finished 3rd) in 2002 but didn't make the championship game due to Ohio State and Miami (ironic) going undefeated. He also went 12-2 in 2007 (finished 2nd in AP). How is Butch 's 11-1 season that much better than those two finishes?

Seriously, how?

 

[DHucks]

To the people knocking Richr. He has as many championships as Butch.

Correct. However, Butch's best season is light years ahead of Richt's best season. He got way closer than Richt ever has.

Just give Richt a chance. This isn't an Al Golden hire here. This dude has his knocks, but he's a winner, actually a winner with a ridiculous win percentage. His path to a ship is MUCH easier than it was at Georgia, let it play out.

I know he is a good coach, and obviously we are going to be light years better than we were with Golden. But let these people on here tell it and we just stole Nick Saban from Alabama. I am excited about the hire but reading comments on here people are going overboard. Lets just hope our expectations arent permanently damaged from the golden era. i want to get back to winning and winning big, not just coastal and acc.

I agree, but the way people tell it, Butch Davis is the best coach in college football too. Better than Nicky.

We can't do anything until we win the coastal, then the ACC itself. Things I believe the new regime will have is in position to do each year. Winning the ACC should tell me what I need to know, do that and we'll be in the playoffs or at least on the outside looking in on a perennial basis.

 

[zomike77]

Yes butch Davis because he can pass the eye ball test

 

[561Cane]

Why don't you find another team bud.

The malcontent by some of you is ridiculous! Never happy, never satisfied!

Mark underperformance at GA is well known. Now that he is the coach at Miami. Once again this administration has felled its fan base. All the talking heads and reporters are building this as a great hire. And three to four years. We will be right back here again in mediocrity. We were suppose to get excellence not just good enough.

 

[bxcanesbomber]

Why don't you find another team bud.

The malcontent by some of you is ridiculous! Never happy, never satisfied!

Mark underperformance at GA is well known. Now that he is the coach at Miami. Once again this administration has felled its fan base. All the talking heads and reporters are building this as a great hire. And three to four years. We will be right back here again in mediocrity. We were suppose to get excellence not just good enough.

These people are pathetic!!!

 

[ScubaCane]

I love Butch and was hopeful that he was going to be the hire. But once I realized that the admin didn't have the balls to make that hire, I was scared to death that it was going to be Mario, Chud or Schiano. I am ecstatic that we ended up with Richt, a guy with proven success as a HC.

I'm anxious to see what his staff will look like, the DC hire is the key. I have no doubt he'll get the offense humming, but will he make the right DC hire?

 

[Deez Nuts]

To the people knocking Richr. He has as many championships as Butch.

Correct. However, Butch's best season is light years ahead of Richt's best season. He got way closer than Richt ever has.

That's just not true. Richt went 13-1(finished 3rd) in 2002 but didn't make the championship game due to Ohio State and Miami (ironic) going undefeated. He also went 12-2 in 2007 (finished 2nd in AP). How is Butch 's 11-1 season that much better than those two finishes?

Seriously, how?

Seriously? Butch shoulda been in Nc game instead of fsu who we beat. We woulda waxed oklahoma so we were arguably the best team in the country. The next year they proved it. But ur saying Richt season was better even tho there were 2 undefeated teams ahead of them one being us with butchs team lmao u sed it yourself uga finished 3rd butch finished 2nd so tell me again how 3rd is better than 2nd.

 

[caneinpsl]

That statement says a whole lotta nothing. Critical thinking skills does not mean "butch averaged 7-6 at UNC so he sucked" without "critically thinking" about the circumstances surrounding that, you fking dummy.

Never said he sucked. Just that he isn't at Richt's level. But his 7-6 is lower than the all-time win % at UNC that you thought was so puny.

are you going to use those critical thinking skills you were talking about? or are you just going to keep pointing out the misleading 7-6 bs.

What was different about his years at UNC from the other coaches they had??? They weren't under probation. In fact they were cheating. It should have been easier for him.

Do you even watch college football or do you just google stats on the internet? i already explained up and down this thread about his time at UNC im not gonna keep repeating myself feel free to read the posts.

Anybody who is even a casual fan of college football knows what the deal is with Butch and UNC. Just a few internet nerds looking up stats who dont remember when he was actually at UNC (or maybe were too young) and keep saying he was a failure bc they are looking at his record while he was there.

cmon man. yes i rather have butch than richt but that doesnt mean i dont think richt is a good coach. you dont have to be an extremist and go around exaggerating and using misleading numbers to make a point. you think butch sucks? fine thats your opinion. but just know that it sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about and the stats you are using are misleading. im pretty sure you either werent paying attention to CFB when butch was at UNC or are too young to remember. If thats the case dont be talking about something you have no clue about.

I never said Butch sucked. Not once. I simply highlighted how Richt was a significant upgrade over Butch. He's won many more games, in a much tougher conference, at a school that isn't in the top three in terms of resources or history in that conference. I would have actually been happy had we hired Butch as well. I'm ecstatic about Richt. You'll see soon enough. Butch did OK at UNC. Not well. With the talent he had there he should have had better records his last two years there. Were YOU watching??? UNC was better under Mack Brown than they were under Butch. I completely understand that Butch has some mitigating circumstances, but not so much for his time at UNC. His time HERE was hindered by probation, and it took him time to get the program back off the ground. Time most people didn't want to give him. When people were flying fire Butch banners, I was one of the fans that wanted him retained. And I hated to see him go to the Browns when he did. Who knows what happens if he stays. AT the time I was hoping we had finally found a long term answer. But today we have that. We should get at least a decade of winning out of Richt. People cry like he won't be able to beat FSU, but that's hogwash. In three of AL Golden's losses to FSU we were within 5 points. I think we can expect Mark Richt to significantly improve our performance over what Al accomplished.

 

[Deez Nuts]

Never said he sucked. Just that he isn't at Richt's level. But his 7-6 is lower than the all-time win % at UNC that you thought was so puny.

are you going to use those critical thinking skills you were talking about? or are you just going to keep pointing out the misleading 7-6 bs.

What was different about his years at UNC from the other coaches they had??? They weren't under probation. In fact they were cheating. It should have been easier for him.

Do you even watch college football or do you just google stats on the internet? i already explained up and down this thread about his time at UNC im not gonna keep repeating myself feel free to read the posts.

Anybody who is even a casual fan of college football knows what the deal is with Butch and UNC. Just a few internet nerds looking up stats who dont remember when he was actually at UNC (or maybe were too young) and keep saying he was a failure bc they are looking at his record while he was there.

cmon man. yes i rather have butch than richt but that doesnt mean i dont think richt is a good coach. you dont have to be an extremist and go around exaggerating and using misleading numbers to make a point. you think butch sucks? fine thats your opinion. but just know that it sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about and the stats you are using are misleading. im pretty sure you either werent paying attention to CFB when butch was at UNC or are too young to remember. If thats the case dont be talking about something you have no clue about.

I never said Butch sucked. Not once. I simply highlighted how Richt was a significant upgrade over Butch. He's won many more games, in a much tougher conference, at a school that isn't in the top three in terms of resources or history in that conference. I would have actually been happy had we hired Butch as well. I'm ecstatic about Richt. You'll see soon enough. Butch did OK at UNC. Not well. With the talent he had there he should have had better records his last two years there. Were YOU watching??? UNC was better under Mack Brown than they were under Butch. I completely understand that Butch has some mitigating circumstances, but not so much for his time at UNC. His time HERE was hindered by probation, and it took him time to get the program back off the ground. Time most people didn't want to give him. When people were flying fire Butch banners, I was one of the fans that wanted him retained. And I hated to see him go to the Browns when he did. Who knows what happens if he stays. AT the time I was hoping we had finally found a long term answer. But today we have that. We should get at least a decade of winning out of Richt. People cry like he won't be able to beat FSU, but that's hogwash. In three of AL Golden's losses to FSU we were within 5 points. I think we can expect Mark Richt to significantly improve our performance over what Al accomplished.

If u think butch did just "ok not well" at fkin unc idk wut to tell u. U seem to think highly of unc. They were a perennial doormat in football. Then u try to make it look like georgia lacks resources. Stop it man. Then again ur the same person who said they dominated the acc for years lmao wrong sport buddy i think u might be talking about basketball

And funny how im living in the past but then u bring up mack brown at unc lmao that was 20plus fkin years ago

Another thing, you say Butch shoulda won with all the talent he had....uhhhh who do you think recruited all that talent to fkin UNC? u think they were talented when he got there? lmao u obviously werent paying attention to CFB at the time and are going of what you hear and stats and records.

You keep telling me he didn't have any probation while he was there..uhhh do you not know about all of the suspensions and bs surrounding the program the last year. Just stop man, you have no clue what you are talking about. If you werent a fan at the time or just didnt pay attention, fine. But stop making yourself look stupid arguing with me about something you dont know.

 

[3FW]

Richt has 2 rings.