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Yeah I dont know what that guy is talking about. Anyone can get fired at anytime if they are bad enough. And Gattis has been that bad. The only thing I can think of is that Mario knows we technically arent out of bowl contention yet so no reason to blow it up too soon. I think if we lose to GTech on Saturday..you will start seeing him pick this thing apart and start getting ready for 2023.
 
Canes2617 said:
I don't think he's the white knight at all. He was hired in late in the process, so just because you haven't seen him "do anything" doesn't mean his voice won't be heard come this off-season.
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i agree
ive been fed too much false hope before
but im not gonna fall for it again
when reed was hired we assumed he would have some input
but clearly all he did was hang out on sidelines as more of a figurehead
 
This guy used examples of New Mexico, Rutgers and the NFL firing their coordinators to prove their point? 😂

Glad you guys do not make the decisions.
 
Echtcane said:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/c...ve-coordinator-fired-after-teams-brutal-loss/

https://www.nfl.com/news/colts-fire...marcus-brady-after-3-4-1-start-to-2022-season

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2022/10/rutgers-fires-offensive-coordinator-sean-gleeson.html

https://www.abqjournal.com/2539059/...ehime-fired-heath-ridenour-is-interim-oc.html
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How many of these examples are year 1 of the head coach's tenure as well as year 1 of the OC who was fired?

Gattis needs to go, but firing the guy mid-season of year 1 (both for the HC and OC) looks more like scapegoating and emotionally responding to the situation than anything else. What other OC would want to follow that type of personnel handling?

The right approach is let the year play out (3 games left) and keep the recruiting class together, which is happening and necessary to build this program back up.
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
What's he supposed to say? That he doesn't have the horse and he inherited a soft-as-Charmin team from Manny, that isn't responding? That they're more focused on recruiting and selling the next generation of the right kids on a new-look Miami because the present is a complete abortion?

He can't say that, so you get coach-speak—which is why I don't get why anyone bothers listening to theses meaningless Joe Rose interviews looking for anything of stubstance.

And the "highest paid" staff staff stuff is silly. That's akin to saying the Yankees should win every year because they have the highest-paid salary and then you see scrappy teams with chemistry going far in the postseason, like Philadelphia. This staff doesn't have the right players, doesn't have chemistry with their players and doesn't have chemistry with each other. Lots of bad fits all around.

Mario has a lot to do this off-season. I used to be a "get a bowl game for the extra practices" guy, but realistically Miami is better off missing a bowl, sending some coaches and players packing. getting back to recruiting and robbing the portal blind for 2023. No benefit of some fourth-tier bowl game if this team got to 6-6 and eked in.

Put this thing out of its collective misery.
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Philly had the 4th highest payroll in baseball, bro. They underachieved to less than 90 wins then got hot, So yeah.. his salary in fact matters in this equation lol
 
Ispyin said:
I don’t agree that firing his *** today is a way to go because you’re also sending a single out to future coaches that you’re willing to throw somebody under the bus in a season that’s already lost. there’s no advantage to firing him now but there are potential disadvantages. Just wait and rehire in the off-season
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Then demote him or take his duties away. I dont think you allow a coach, teacher or boss to continue eroding the confidence of these players and trust in you as a HC for KNOWING what is happening but let it keep happening for the sake of just finishing the season. Gattis is ruining these kids. He is confusing these kids. The longer you allow him to do that, the more difficult it will be for the next guy to fix them.

If you knew a teacher in your kids class was teaching some bs and your kid comes home talking that bs, you would raise **** and probably get him out of there. But in this situation, you let the players continue to be coached up by a guy you know is ruining them, just for the sake of letting him finish? I mean how does that even work? You as the HC know the guy is on some bs but you tell your players to keep listening to him?
 
jsy said:
i agree
ive been fed too much false hope before
but im not gonna fall for it again
when reed was hired we assumed he would have some input
but clearly all he did was hang out on sidelines as more of a figurehead
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Yea but Reed was a public stunt. Reed had no prior history with anything front office. I mean that with no disrespect to Reed.
 
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IF its true that Gattis and Miami are mutually deciding to part ways, then theres no need to fire him mid-season as that just means that theres money left to be paid in the future.

Not that it matters.
 
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CaneTheGaytors said:
Read what you wrote again:

“No one can argue that the **** we’ve seen on the field is totally unacceptable. Expecting much more than what we’ve seen in less than 11 months after 2 decades of incompetence is unrealistic.”

In what world is it unrealistic expectations to expect a team that finished 7-5 last season (including 6-1 in the last 7 games) be able to have at least the same record or maybe one more win while fielding a more complete team at all positions except WR?

QB - returning Heisman hopeful who is being talked about as the 3rd best QB prospect in the upcoming draft during the pre-season. Mario even bragged that he had the best QB in America. Turned him into dog **** and almost got him killed. Put him back in game against Holes even though he was badly injured.

Garcia was loved by a great portion of the fan base, and rightly so. He had shown great promise last season before getting injured. Also now looks like dog ****.

Jacurri is incomplete because he’s a true frosh.

RB - We returned Rooster, Chaney, Franklin and added Parrish and Citizen.

Rooster scored 11 TD’s last season and had almost 900 yards of total offense. This year he looks horrible.

Parrish - excellent effort player with good vision and balance that lacks speed. Plays with lots of heart and toughness. All things that we knew coming out of high school. Has looked like he did at Ole Miss. Steady but not spectacular.

Franklin - seldom used, even in short yardage. Makes zero sense.

Chaney -injured, Citizen - injured.

WR - We returned Restrepo, Keyshawn, Jacolby, Brashard, Romello, Redding. We added Ladson, Young and Horton.

Our WR group looks like they’ve never been taught to run routes, and have had the drops all season long. Can’t block either. Major regression in this group. Colby Young is the bright spot, and they had him riding pine for the first 4 and a half games.

TE - Mallory, Arroyo, Brantley and Mamorelli returned. Added Skinner.

Mallory has looked relatively the same. Not spectacular, but steady. Sometimes great, other times disappears. No regression with him.

Brantley is a good blocker, not used at all in the passing game. Would like to see him get some chances to catch the ball.

Mamorelli is a good blocker. Hasn’t been used in passing by game at all.

Arroyo was grossly underused before his season ending injury.

Skinner is a promising prospect.

OL - Zion, Scaife, Rivers, Campbell, Justice, Clark, Seymore, Traore, Washington, McLaughlin, and Rodriguez. Added Denis, McCoy and Cooper.

Injuries have decimated this unit, but they looked worse than last year in pass blocking early on in the season. They looked a bit better at run blocking earlier in the season, but nothing earth shattering. Group as a whole regressed.

This is only on offense. Defense has been slightly less putrid.

Overall the evidence suggests that almost everyone on this roster regressed. That’s not a talent or culture issue, that’s a scheme and coaching issue.
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I’d say it’s a combination of culture shock, new schemes on both sides of the ball, and coaching - not necessarily in that order. We all see the same things you outlined here with the roster and the things that have taken place game days.

My main point of emphasis is speculation, opinion, and conjecture as to WHY it’s happenening is just that. Not a sole on this board including you and I have a clue as to what’s going on behind closed.
 
Silentobserver said:
How many of these examples are year 1 of the head coach's tenure as well as year 1 of the OC who was fired?

Gattis needs to go, but firing the guy mid-season of year 1 (both for the HC and OC) looks more like scapegoating and emotionally responding to the situation than anything else. What other OC would want to follow that type of personnel handling?

The right approach is let the year play out (3 games left) and keep the recruiting class together, which is happening and necessary to build this program back up.
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Clearly people do replace coordinators and actually find other coordinators to replace them. My links were examples disproving the idea that I was responding to, not advocacy of it in every case, including this one.

But people have reasons to be concerned about Mario's attitude about offense and his specific words in defense of what Gattis has been doing. If he wants to wait until after the last game, yes that's a valid way of doing it, but the blunt criticisms he's leveled at play and effort on the field combined with blunt talk of the need for better players to replace current ones should be balanced by some indication that coaches are also accountable with something like "we will evaluate all aspects of the program at the end of the season and make whatever adjustments are necessary." Word it as gently and respectfully as you like, but at least do that.
 
Bender said:
IF its true that Gattis and Miami are mutually deciding to part ways, then theres no need to fire him mid-season as that just means that theres money left to be paid in the future.

Not that it matters.
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They can just work it out on the money end to separate now. He is a cancer. You dont keep cancer around until the end of the year, it could spread.
 
Echtcane said:
Clearly people do replace coordinators and actually find other coordinators to replace them. My links were examples disproving the idea that I was responding to, not advocacy of it in every case, including this one.
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Agreed. I wasn't attacking you, but stating those qualifying questions due to many on here demanding Gattis's in-season firing despite the optics in this specific context not being the best.

Mario has been consistent all season about consistently evaluating all aspects of the program. I would imagine his press conference at season's end will reiterate that point as well as the need for all parties to be all in with the building of the program.

Regarding Mario's offensive philosophy, while he wants to be a run first offense for balance purposes I'm not certain he is an all or nothing trype of coach. For instance, anyone take a look at the offenses his FIU teams ran?
 
 
CaneTheGaytors said:
I’ll ask you the same question, since you seem to be doubling down on your defense of Mario.

I stated facts. Mario promised when he was hired that he would not run an offense that would hinder TVD, or what we saw from him last season. He did the exact opposite.

He strong armed the BoT before he was hired. He demanded full autonomy over every aspect of the program. In year one, it’s been an abject failure. We are equaling records from the 1964 team, and not the good kind of records.

He needs to take accountability instead of doubling down on his “toughness” and “hard work” coach speak.

There are millions of dollars being poured into the program now, including to him and his staff. This is a business, and like any other business that is successful, competence is paramount, and the bottom line is profits.

Ruiz might be his best friend in the world, but I guarantee you that there better be great results in the next couple of years. With the amount of cash that dude is investing, empty words and promises are not going to be enough to suffice.

Beating MTSU, Duke and a mediocre F$U team should not require Baga or Georgia kind of talent. Any competent OC could have had this squad score enough points to beat those teams, or at least be competitive. We got blown out at home in all 3 of those games.

It all starts at the top. Less rhetoric, more action to fix this mess.
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when FSU to j Ville state, they lost on a fluke. we have lost to MTSU in a fashion that was no fluke
 
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Gattis will prob be out by the first week of December. Need someone in place before Dec 21.
 
people can down vote me all they want but I honestly feel like this is his butch davis season when they were flying banners "Champs to chumps". This dude cares more than anyone in here. He will make the adjustments on staff that is needed and get it going the right way. fans saying how bad he is, don't stick around for the good years because when it's all said and done we'll look back on this season and laugh at how bad we were. Better days are ahead folks. just not quick enough for most
 
TRick72 said:
Agreed and the truth is he doesn’t even have to say these things, just do them. If he doesn’t want to fire Gattis and publicly humiliate him he can do what Manny did to Baker. Take away play calling duties and just have him coach his position group. Tell him Ponce is calling plays rest of the year and we will be mutually parting ways after the year. If he doesn’t go for it then he publicly humiliates himself. Plus he gets to fairly evaluate Ponce.

On the DB, just start playing the young CBs 75% or more of the time instead of Ivey and others. On LB, I respect Flagg but tell Wes he will be in for him on all obvious passing downs. If We can rotate DL we can certainly rotate LBs. Let everyone know this is an audition for next year. Impossible to know if you can count on some of these young guys next year if you don’t throw them to the fire now. Sure we’ll take our lumps but we’re taking them anyway with guys that won’t be here next year.
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