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Mario and Beck Cost Us

I blame Mario for everything. this offense is his image. Every snap running the play clock down to 0, 11 penalties against the offense. This has been going on all year. By my count, Beck missed probably 10 wide open easy shots that he didn't even throw the ball to because he has been neutered because of the Louisville game. his arm is also pretty mid. 11 penalties against the offense! 11. Thats the number 1 reason for the loss. the HC is stupid and so is the team. They deserved to lose and they did. Mario is a hack, you can't preach all that he does and be the most penalized team in the sport. Its actually embarrassing but here we hare. The run game has 0 diversity and it shows in short yardage and the redzone. God bless just throw 1 play action pass on short yardage. please just 1. whatever another season in the books
 
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Objectivefan79 said:
Dude isn’t getting drafted. Has no arm and honestly the body language alone will keep him from getting drafted.
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The body language ain't gonna keep him from being drafted... but it's gonna be a major reason why he doesn't go high. Many of my friends in coaching go straight there. I mean laser beam.
 
fraggle said:
Our great teams laughed at penalties...see cotton Bowl
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This is not one of those great teams. Those great teams are rare.

That being said, this team could be very good if they eased up on the penalties and frankly, the team could be undefeated if the $4M QB would quit throwing INTs on game deciding drives at the end.
 
Memnon said:
The way yall defend Beck is fascinating to see.
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Wouldnt be surprised if it is the same group of fans that fiercely defended Mario and said Kiffin isn’t a better coach. Now they defend Beck and say he gets more blame than he should. Baffling.
 
CanesFan20 said:
To be fair those 2 INTs were on the WRs, Toney was supposed to flaten on the whip route but instead he went up field. It was 2 mistakes by young talented WRs. Regardless the game should have never game down to that. When you pride yourself on being a tough and physical smash mouth team and you can't even convert on 3rd/4th and short multiple times then what are we even doing. Like seriously how much more talent does this bum HC need. He's losing these games because his teams are undisciplined and he gets out coached.
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Disagree, If Toney, a true freshman mind you, doesn't run the correct depth throw the ball away and kick the FG. Further, #17 was wide open.
 
Rellyrell said:
I’m wondering how much autonomy Beck has compared to Ward. As a casual fan, I knew exactly what we were going to run, & just looking at the defensive formations, I knew the success rate would be around the 33-35% range.

If Beck was able to audible, there was a **** ton of yards available. I also find it interesting that Dawson got into it w Mario, & I’m not sure if it was Dawson that approached Mario or if Mario said something to Dawson that caused a response.

Either way it goes, Beck didn’t come here to be a game manager. U don’t pay that type of bread for a Trent Dilfer, u pay that for a Patrick Mahomes. For those who say this game wasn’t on Beck, u don’t understand the game w/in the game. If u’re looking at strictly box score numbers, u clearly don’t understand the nuances of the game.

Let me give u an example:
Late 4th qtr & we’re up, Beck dances around the pocket, holding on to the ball. He goes into scramble mode, causing several defenders to miss. Sure that’s fine, but the problem? He had a wide open receiver in that direction w/ no defender by them; that’s an easy 1st down on a crucial 3rd down play. The results? Incomplete pass w/ an Illegal Man Down Field penalty (& yes, this should’ve been off-setting penalties giving us a re-do). However, if Beck hits the short pass, we’re not even talking about this game in the light we’re talking now.

Beck keeps us in a phone booth; he places no pressure on a defense, & when u’re playing the 133rd ranked pass defense, this should’ve been a 300+ game w/ 3 TDs.

SMU’s opponents passing yrds v. P4/G6:
•Robertson (Baylor): 440 yrds / 4 TDs / 0 ints (8.8 ypr)
•Hoover (TCU): 379 yrds / 5 TDs / 1 int (9.5 ypr)
•Collins (Cuse): 279 yrds / 1 TD / 3 ints (6.2 ypr)
•Gulbranson (Stanford): 278 yrds / 1 TD / 1 int (7.0 ypr)
•Vizzina (Clemson): 317 yrds / 3 TDs / 0 int (7.5 ypr)
•Wake Forest (2 QBs): 217 yrds / 1 TD / 1 int (5.8 ypr)
•Beck (Miami): 274 yrds / 2 TDs / 2 ints (7.2 ypr)

Beck is supposed to be the 1st Rd QB out of this list, yet he had the 3rd least production against a porous SMU pass defense, & his 7.2 ypr is 4th worst. The irony?
-Collins was a 1st time starter
-Gulbranson IS a game manager from Oregon St
-Purdie WAS a game manager from Charlotte (WF)
-Ashford is on his 3rd team & was also a game manager (WF)

Those r the 4 QBs who had worst YPR games than Beck. So stop looking at the box score & understand Beck’s inability to threaten the deep game truly makes our O non-dynamic, which means it allows the Def to place 7-8 in the box at all times.

My fear w this team was w/o Ward, would we be dynamic enough to face better offensive teams if the Def can’t hold up? Blame the play calling & also blame our $4m QB whose eyes betrays him.
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Great points.

And also add to the equation all the production lost with Cam Ward.

No Arroyo, Restrepo, Horton, George, Sam Brown. No Damien Martinez. Ward made great use of these players and they were experienced enough to benefit from him. Defenses had to play Miami honest because if they load the box Ward goes up top over their heads. He can also extend plays on a run if he feels like it. Martinez and Fletcher were be a great 1-2 punch at running back, could wear down the defense, and give Mario a chubby.

Beck is clearly more limited than Ward, and who isn’t, but he also has fewer weapons at his disposal. He struggles with off script plays, and does not having a similar supporting cast to Ward in 2024. Despite recent claims, Beck is no scrub. His 2023 season at Georgia was not a fluke. He had an elite team around him. He proved in 2024 he doesn’t elevate a team like Ward.

Beck should be held accountable for what he is not doing well, but the staff should also be accountable for what they’re not doing to try and compensate for these deficiencies. Repetitive running up the A gap into a stacked box is not the answer.
 
Rellyrell said:
I’m wondering how much autonomy Beck has compared to Ward. As a casual fan, I knew exactly what we were going to run, & just looking at the defensive formations, I knew the success rate would be around the 33-35% range.

If Beck was able to audible, there was a **** ton of yards available. I also find it interesting that Dawson got into it w Mario, & I’m not sure if it was Dawson that approached Mario or if Mario said something to Dawson that caused a response.

Either way it goes, Beck didn’t come here to be a game manager. U don’t pay that type of bread for a Trent Dilfer, u pay that for a Patrick Mahomes. For those who say this game wasn’t on Beck, u don’t understand the game w/in the game. If u’re looking at strictly box score numbers, u clearly don’t understand the nuances of the game.

Let me give u an example:
Late 4th qtr & we’re up, Beck dances around the pocket, holding on to the ball. He goes into scramble mode, causing several defenders to miss. Sure that’s fine, but the problem? He had a wide open receiver in that direction w/ no defender by them; that’s an easy 1st down on a crucial 3rd down play. The results? Incomplete pass w/ an Illegal Man Down Field penalty (& yes, this should’ve been off-setting penalties giving us a re-do). However, if Beck hits the short pass, we’re not even talking about this game in the light we’re talking now.

Beck keeps us in a phone booth; he places no pressure on a defense, & when u’re playing the 133rd ranked pass defense, this should’ve been a 300+ game w/ 3 TDs.

SMU’s opponents passing yrds v. P4/G6:
•Robertson (Baylor): 440 yrds / 4 TDs / 0 ints (8.8 ypr)
•Hoover (TCU): 379 yrds / 5 TDs / 1 int (9.5 ypr)
•Collins (Cuse): 279 yrds / 1 TD / 3 ints (6.2 ypr)
•Gulbranson (Stanford): 278 yrds / 1 TD / 1 int (7.0 ypr)
•Vizzina (Clemson): 317 yrds / 3 TDs / 0 int (7.5 ypr)
•Wake Forest (2 QBs): 217 yrds / 1 TD / 1 int (5.8 ypr)
•Beck (Miami): 274 yrds / 2 TDs / 2 ints (7.2 ypr)

Beck is supposed to be the 1st Rd QB out of this list, yet he had the 3rd least production against a porous SMU pass defense, & his 7.2 ypr is 4th worst. The irony?
-Collins was a 1st time starter
-Gulbranson IS a game manager from Oregon St
-Purdie WAS a game manager from Charlotte (WF)
-Ashford is on his 3rd team & was also a game manager (WF)

Those r the 4 QBs who had worst YPR games than Beck. So stop looking at the box score & understand Beck’s inability to threaten the deep game truly makes our O non-dynamic, which means it allows the Def to place 7-8 in the box at all times.

My fear w this team was w/o Ward, would we be dynamic enough to face better offensive teams if the Def can’t hold up? Blame the play calling & also blame our $4m QB whose eyes betrays him.
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Was about to post this. Someone close to the program told me Ward called virtually every play last year. Obviously super smart guy, kind of burned us vs Cuse. But he got us to the dance so fugg it.

Beck really ****ed me off with his post game answers and body language during the game. He is a fifth or sixth year player. He should effing check out of pans plays. People are made at him for his picks I’m mad bc he sucks at the mental aspect of the game.
 
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Disgustipated said:
I blame Mario for everything. this offense is his image. Every snap running the play clock down to 0, 11 penalties against the offense. This has been going on all year. By my count, Beck missed probably 10 wide open easy shots that he didn't even throw the ball to because he has been neutered because of the Louisville game. his arm is also pretty mid. 11 penalties against the offense! 11. Thats the number 1 reason for the loss. the HC is stupid and so is the team. They deserved to lose and they did. Mario is a hack, you can't preach all that he does and be the most penalized team in the sport. Its actually embarrassing but here we hare. The run game has 0 diversity and it shows in short yardage and the redzone. God bless just throw 1 play action pass on short yardage. please just 1. whatever another season in the books
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Right on and you are right. I will say Beck has been handcuffed by Mario and he's getting very frustrated and rightfully so,
 
Echtcane said:
Stop it with the "and Beck." He mostly played a great game. Not perfect, but this offense is not going to make any QB look good unless they say **** it and freelance like Ward.
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Beck did play really well yesterday…Obviously the pick at the end hurt us badly…But even then, it's 3 points. The other play that killed us was late in the game around midfield when he missed the RB in the flat.
 
Beck didn’t lose the SMU game, but overall he’s just Mario in QB form. Hype + buzz + seemingly all the talent in the world into lackluster results.
 
What bothers me, especially in the red zone and short yarrdage I know what calls to expect and sure enough they run them...so wouldn't opponents know?
 
PSU Cane said:
Then why spend all that time, money, and energy recruiting him? You knew who he was from previous tape. You either let him sling it and live with it....or you pick another QB.

Early in the 4th, a 10 play drive
2 passes for 28 yards.
8 rushes for 21 yards (includes Beck run for 7).

80% is quite a tilt in play calling when the pass game was working just fine. 4 of the 8 runs went for 2 yards or less. Coaches have to do better just as much as Beck does with his INTs.
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to me, Idk what they want beck to do in obvious pass situations when they run the ball for nothing on the first two downs in OT esp near the goal line.
 
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