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Marcus Lemonis firing some shots

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
In person Lemonis is actually a nice guy.

He’s just not a big a deal as some think in the grand scheme of things.

If we do end up with the grand infusion of capital that is being proposed/discussed then he will slide down in order of importance.

My only concern with him is that he’s completely delusional about this Tropical Park stadium nonsense. We’re talking easily half a billion, I thave yet to see a financial plan that makes sense doing this, rather than investing in the actual program, coaching, infrastructure, more analysts, etc. etc.
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Would rather have the football team get the upgrades and benefits rather than having a crappy team in a new stadium people will still have to drive to.
 
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Bubbacane10 said:
im divided. I agree but also disagree. It limits the capacity and potentially eliminates/alienates a portion of the fan base. Majority of canes fans are from the actual city not corlal gables. With that being said, even when miami was winning which i would say 2017. The notre dame game was one of the only games over 50k attendence. A college stadium, closer to campus with an actual college stadium feel would be a game changer. It's not like miami is getting 100k+ people at games every week. Could they? absolutely. But thats been years since anything like that. Hard rock can get loud and electric but go to a death valley, the big house, penn state, etc. Those college atmospheres blow hard rock out of the water and its not even close. Anybody can disagree but they're wrong. It's college footnball not the nfl. Does hardrock get loud, absolutely, is it a nice stadium.. absolutely. Does it look patheic during a 12pm game against most teams, yes. and for anyone who says recruits dont care harold perkins liked miami but said he wanted more of a college atmosphere at games.
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A stadium closer to campus would do absolutely nothing for attendance. You aren't getting more students to games. You cannot get them to basketball games and the Towers is 200 yards from the front entrance to Watsco. You might guy 50 students at a mid week baseball game and 100 on Friday night.

The beauty of an on campus which Miami will never have is the feel and energy of being on campus. Coral Gables will never, ever approve it and being on South Dixie Highway at any time is a nightmare.

Only good argument was made by Original. At some point, Ross is doing so much around Hard Rock that we are not being served as a priority tenet.

I am not crazy about dual tenet at a soccer stadium because you are going to be further away from the field. That being said nothing wrong with exploring options.
 
Pentagon Cane said:
A stadium closer to campus would do absolutely nothing for attendance. You aren't getting more students to games. You cannot get them to basketball games and the Towers is 200 yards from the front entrance to Watsco. You might guy 50 students at a mid week baseball game and 100 on Friday night.

The beauty of an on campus which Miami will never had is the feel and energy of being on campus.

Only good argument was made by Original. At some point, Ross is doing so much around Hard Rock that we are not being served as a priority tenet.

I am not crazy about dual tenet at a soccer stadium because you are going to be further away from the field.
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I hear what you're saying and they're valid points but i tend to disagree. UM basketball has never had good attendence. I disagree on the student part as well. Miami is a smaller school but trying to increase enrollment currently, more students around campus with a stadium closer. If the program is doing good and creating momentum students will come. More so then they would go to hard rock. Now could students fill a stadium, absolutely not. I'm with you on that, i dont like the idea of them sharing a stadium with a soccer team. My whole point is in IMO, Miami could benefit from building their own stadium. Just for miami hurricasnes football. I'm not clammering to build a stadium on campus and it will be filled with students. I just think both fans from the city and students could benefit from a more college size stadium with more neutral location. This just isnt the same era of packing the OB with 70k + fans. the empty stadium seats is a bad look.
 
RVACane said:
They can queue that into it for certain and that’s what they would do but they’d still have to widen those roads at a minimum for off-ramping for the queue along with stretches of highway there and beyond and ancillary roads potentially. People will take a variety of ways to get there and it will be murderous traffic on those secondary roads. They would need a traffic study and preliminary design alternatives for starters.

If it’s a private project, as it’s for a private university, then the road widening could be a problem if there’s a need for property acquisition beyond any right of way areas that the locality would permit this in. Notwithstanding that, I’m assuming that there’s a NEPA concern that will involve environmental mitigation as well. It’s a lot of **** and believe me, it’s a complex, expensive transportation project.

This would take years and years before they could stick a shovel in the ground.
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Swing your ****.

An actual person with knowledge and experience speaks.
 
Rellyrell said:
I don’t get the “we don’t need our own stadium” crowd.

It boggles my mind. Wonder what USC is doing w/ that extra $69m for naming rights to their stadium or UCLA making part of a $38m naming deal for the Rosebowl.

Wonder how Bama is doing w/ those ticket, parking, and concession stands profits from Bryant-Denny Stadium?

I dunno; some fans vision is so minute & tunneled; I’m hearing ppl say we don’t need a new stadium b/c of “traffic.” LOL. FOH.

I literally have the most expensive stadium IN THE WORLD in my back yard, w/ a brand new basketball arena being built next door, in a small city outside of LA, by one of the busiest airports in the entire world. Guess what? City planning did something about it to mitigate traffic. That’s what planning is all about.

Whether it comes to fruition or not is no never mind to the bull chit I read. Small time thinking gives u small time results.
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You’re absolutely right. Let’s play pretend like small children about something that’ll never happen.
 
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JOE'CANE said:
I use to in the win an recruits will come camp idk about that anymore but win and the fans will come is 100%. In 2017 that place was packed, even for that end of the year UVA game.
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The UVA game is the one that makes a point about hard rock.
 
KANE said:
I’ll believe it when I see it. 🙄
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Me too.

But the conversation is interesting and illuminating. Except for the people who freak the fvck out and act like Hard Rock is perfect and every other option will never/could never happen. Due to money. Or traffic. Or other invented impediments.
 
Bubbacane10 said:
I hear what you're saying and they're valid points but i tend to disagree. UM basketball has never had good attendence. I disagree on the student part as well. Miami is a smaller school but trying to increase enrollment currently, more students around campus with a stadium closer. If the program is doing good and creating momentum students will come. More so then they would go to hard rock. Now could students fill a stadium, absolutely not. I'm with you on that, i dont like the idea of them sharing a stadium with a soccer team. My whole point is in IMO, Miami could benefit from building their own stadium. Just for miami hurricasnes football. I'm not clammering to build a stadium on campus and it will be filled with students. I just think both fans from the city and students could benefit from a more college size stadium with more neutral location. This just isnt the same era of packing the OB with 70k + fans. the empty stadium seats is a bad look.
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Sorry, but my kid is a current student. For football games, you are busing whether to Hard Rock or Tropical or Melreese. 75% of the students are drunk and half of those leave at halftime. My son drives and sits in our club seats.

Basketball will draw 5 to 6 thousand for conference games when we are good.

20k in the stands is a bad look whether it is in a stadium that seats 45k or 65k and you don't build a new stadium for a crowd of 20k.
 
RVACane said:
They can queue that into it for certain and that’s what they would do but they’d still have to widen those roads at a minimum for off-ramping for the queue along with stretches of highway there and beyond and ancillary roads potentially. People will take a variety of ways to get there and it will be murderous traffic on those secondary roads. They would need a traffic study and preliminary design alternatives for starters.

If it’s a private project, as it’s for a private university, then the road widening could be a problem if there’s a need for property acquisition beyond any right of way areas that the locality would permit this in. Notwithstanding that, I’m assuming that there’s a NEPA concern that will involve environmental mitigation as well. It’s a lot of **** and believe me, it’s a complex, expensive transportation project.

This would take years and years before they could stick a shovel in the ground.
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You are absolutely the right guy for this discussion.

One thought related to "surface roads", but assuming that one or more parking lots are built (at any proposed location, but particularly for Tropical), you could take an off-ramp straight into the garage. Not sure if you have been to "Disney Springs" lately (it's gone by several names over the years), but when you exit I-4 towards EPCOT, there is another off ramp that elevates and takes you directly into the Disney Springs "Orange" parking garage on the third level. They then have those digital signs that tell you how many spots are available on every parking level, and you can go up or down the ramps to find a spot.

Something like that (assuming that the County ever agreed, IN GENERAL) would take a lot of traffic off of Bird and/or Miller.

Just trying to think outside the box, and you've seen several of my posts where I agree that you need a City/County partner for eminent domain and bond-writing powers.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
It would literally be a traffic disaster unless you widen or build more lanes/roads. As much as people talk shlt about the stadium we have now, it’s actually a great place to play, and is more centrally located for the three counties, Tropical Park is a lot more difficult now that people are used to going somewhere central.

Add to that, that at a minimum it’s going to be half a billion to get something halfway decent, for six games a year, and then it’s going have to be used for other things and even then it won’t earn its keep.
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For the life of me i dont get why everyone doesn’t get this. Hard Rock stadium is perfect. We can touch the jupiter / treasure coast / swfl canes who commute.

Everyone always ***** about attendance so yeah lets make it harder to attend lol
 
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Pentagon Cane said:
Sorry, but my kid is a current student. For football games, you are busing whether to Hard Rock or Tropical or Melreese. 75% of the students are drunk and half of those leave at halftime. My son drives and sits in our club seats.

Basketball will draw 5 to 6 thousand for conference games when we are good.

20k in the stands is a bad look whether it is in a stadium that seats 45k or 65k and you don't build a new stadium for a crowd of 20k.
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75% of all college students are drunk at football games at any college game you go to so miami students are just bad fans is that what your insinuating? I know you have to bus either way. Who said build a 20k stadium? Not me. I said build a stadium more suitable for a college football team. So if basketball draws that many when there good and the stadium is right on campus, imagine the football team a top 10 team and a closer stadium that better fits students and fans coming from the city. You dont think miami football would draw more students? That just doesnt make sense to me. I understand logistically the closer to campus the more challenging and difficult to build and fund a stadium but i never said 20k stadium. I said a more neutral stadium that fits a univrsity better.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You are absolutely the right guy for this discussion.

One thought related to "surface roads", but assuming that one or more parking lots are built (at any proposed location, but particularly for Tropical), you could take an off-ramp straight into the garage. Not sure if you have been to "Disney Springs" lately (it's gone by several names over the years), but when you exit I-4 towards EPCOT, there is another off ramp that elevates and takes you directly into the Disney Springs "Orange" parking garage on the third level. They then have those digital signs that tell you how many spots are available on every parking level, and you can go up or down the ramps to find a spot.

Something like that (assuming that the County ever agreed, IN GENERAL) would take a lot of traffic off of Bird and/or Miller.

Just trying to think outside the box, and you've seen several of my posts where I agree that you need a City/County partner for eminent domain and bond-writing powers.
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I didn’t see your posts on that but yeah, aside from the bonds, they can’t just widen with condemnation as the fallback for a private owner/purpose so there would likely need to be some city ownership/public purpose for that.

Not sure about the design you’re talking about but it sounds interesting. They’ll look at a few alternative designs with cost estimates and work through it with give and take.

Where will the tailgaters go if it’s all in garages?
 
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