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Manny, our D, O and the future as of Nov. 7, 2020

Rellyrell said:
Look; I’m not a Manny fan, and this 6-1 start doesn’t have me convinced, just like I wasn’t convinced on Golden. However, if he goes into a CEO role, and gets rid of that defensive staff, maybe sans Banda, and we hire a true defensive mind to run that side, I will be more convinced that Manny may indeed be the guy.
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What are your thoughts on Manny just becoming DC? Opens up a slot for a full time ST coach.
 
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AlphaMarshan said:
What perplexes me is that if it's true that Manny had to step in and call the defense towards the end of the game - didn't that happen last season also? - how is that not a glaring red flag that the DC isn't doing his job? In other words, if Manny felt like Baker wasn't doing a good job and had to step in, how is that not grounds for dismissal?

He takes over and does the guy's job, then lets him go back to calling the D next game? Makes no sense.
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He didn’t do it last year and I zero doubt he didn't do it last night.
 
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filmcane said:
IF that's true, I completely agree. We can't have another D'Onofrio situation, where the HC is in love with his DC and would rather hurt the team and get fired, than remove the worst DC in major CFB. We've had a belly full of that sort of weakness and can't do that anymore.
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Boom, agree. Manny’s at a crossroads at the end of the season, possibly before. He needs to jettison the DC/staff and retool to rebuild. No doubt in imo, he won’t let friendship get in the way. He gave this guy a shot, sometimes ya just gotta fish or cut bait. Manny’s fishing.
 
MANNY DEFINITELY HAS TO UPGRADE HIS DEFENSIVE STAFF.. This is a must no doubt, if he is a real MIAMI type guy he knows he has to make the change..
 
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filmcane said:
  • Unlike many on this board, I'm not certain that Manny isn't the coach we need. He greatly improved the team over this last season and until I get a sense that he's a pulling a Coker/Shannon/Golden/Richt and not realizing that systemic changes to the team need to be made, I will ride with him and give my full support.
  • He flushed out the entire O side of the ball and although not perfect, it does look like it's working. We are vastly better on that side of the ball.
  • Usually, but not always, your first gut instinct is correct, but you just have to let it play out. Thus is the case with Blake and the rest of the D staff. I've been a Rumph hold out, but now I realize we need a complete reset of our D coaches, just as we did the O coaches last offseason. With the lone possible exception of Banda, this D staff has to go!
  • Stroud - apparently he's a strong recruiter, but one thing is glaringly clear: he is NOT a good DL coach. I've been banging that drum since 3rd game last season and was told to shut up, I didn't know what I was talking about with Stroud, etc., etc. Fast forward to today and I think it's clear to most long time CFB viewers and long time Cane fans, that our DL plays with great effort, but not with great skill or strategy. We need someone to teach these talented DL how to play their positions and do so effectively. What we lose in recruiting without Stroud, will be more than made up for with W's and on field results. We've seen enough game tape; he's gotta go or be reassigned to recruiting coordinator.
  • There is absolutely NO REASON for us to still be logging in 8 penalties in the 1st half of a game against mother freaking NCST!!! As I mentioned earlier, I'm still riding with Manny (for the moment), but he's GOT to instill more discipline into his team. Manny is still going through HC growing pains and that's fine, but eventually, he has to get our guys to play with more discipline and awareness.
  • I have no evidence of this, but unless we had some unprecedented end to this season, that even my overly optimistic mind can't conceive, I do think we get Lashlee one more year. If we can pair him with a good DC, we will be lined up to have a very special season in 2021'.
  • Lashlee - I've picked on him a little this season, so I want to give him credit as well when it's due. He called a really great game last night. There was only one play that made me question it out loud to my TV, but other than that, he seems to be improving and adjusting to his talent throughout the season.
  • WR's - it's amazing what pressure, competition (from youngsters) and accountability will do for your WR's. Assuming we keep Likens for one more year (don't see why we wouldn't), I predict our WR's will continue to improve and become championship quality.
  • Going forward and for the good of our team, Blake needs to be a lameduck DC for the rest of the season with Manny taking over. If the rumors of Manny taking over in the 4th quarter are true, we need that for the rest of the season and especially for the VT and UNC games. Manny needs to take over that unit and honestly, he ought to just fire Blake so there aren't any mixed messages or a vacuum in direction and leadership. The D is too important and we've made too much progress as a team this year on the field and in recruiting, to just give away a couple of games on account of the D because we were waiting to make changes in the offseason. I mean, criminey! We still have a decent shot at ending in the top 5-7 after the bowls and we even have a microscopic chance of making it to the playoffs.
  • Speaking of crazy talk - after last night's defensive debacle, this truly is lunatic talk, but I suppose you lads have come to expect that from me so here goes: we actually have a shot at the playoffs if we DON'T make it to the ACCCHGM. This assumes we win out, which seems very iffy at best, but could still happen (especially if Manny stops futzing around and takes over the D henceforth), with the SEC teams tallying 2 losses, the PAC just starting play in Nov., the B12 being the joke that it is and B1G sending only the *'s to the playoffs, it's unlikely, but not impossible, that a 10-1 Miami team might fall backward into the playoffs. Like I said, it's kooky talk, but 2020 might see the 1st playoffs where the ACC send 2 teams.
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Needs to upgrade the defensive coaching staff.
 
edge said:
What are your thoughts on Manny just becoming DC? Opens up a slot for a full time ST coach.
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I wouldn’t mind; honestly. I don’t think Manny’s the greatest def mind out there, but what we run under him, at the ACC Coastal level, should have us competing for the ACCCG every season, as long as Lashlee is still here. But I would much rather Diaz be the CEO/sales guy of the program. Not sure he’s equipped enough, at this stage of his tenure to handle both.
 
UMFarArcher said:
I don't know why some Head Coaches don't get the best OC's and DC's possible - even if some of the bucks have to come out of their own pocket.

A Head Coach has his responsibilities - but good OC's and good DC's make a Head Coach.

This concept is not that difficult!
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Guys like Urb, Saban, & Dabo do. Now Day is following in Urb’s footsteps. Those teams typically win, and win a lot. Butch had the best staff; and once he cleaned up the Def side, we became a monster. JJ had the best staff....etc, etc.

I’ve said since I joined back in ‘13 & recently, until we field a staff that’s poachable (meaning, other P5 schools or the NFL want them), we will stay stagnant. I’m not talking about guys getting fired & finding a home elsewhere; I’m talking about guys who’s agents are being approached for a gig while on staff.

Think the last poachable staff member was Mario Cristobal.
 
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Baker has worked over the decade under Manny at Texas, Louisiana Tech, and Mississippi State (as well as Miami). I daresay he has trained Baker in some of his defensive postures, as well as supervised him, so it would seem Manny probably agrees with much of what Baker schemes or orchestrates and simply blames lack of player talent for the current debacle...

...he may be right about some of that, and probably hopes new blood on the defensive side will solve the bubbling crisis. Since we keep (barely) winning, I am doubtful any firing is gonna happen before next year's class of starters is given a go.
 
Rellyrell said:
I wouldn’t mind; honestly. I don’t think Manny’s the greatest def mind out there, but what we run under him, at the ACC Coastal level, should have us competing for the ACCCG every season, as long as Lashlee is still here. But I would much rather Diaz be the CEO/sales guy of the program. Not sure he’s equipped enough, at this stage of his tenure to handle both.
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Ding ding ding...im confused as to why so many think diaz is a good DC. I've watched LBs (which is diaz's group) underperform the longer the player stays a cane. Diaz as DC was hit and miss and not a consistency of dominance. We we're more aggressive with diaz than d'nofrio and Baker so i give him credit for that but throws **** up on the wall, crosses his fingers and hopes the talent protects him. However; i don't have confidence that baker will be removed. And if he is removed, i think diaz brings in another guy he has to look over his shoulder and/or run diaz's defense.
 
404CANES said:
Ding ding ding...im confused as to why so many think diaz is a good DC. I've watched LBs (which is diaz's group) underperform the longer the player stays a cane. Diaz as DC was hit and miss and not a consistency of dominance. We we're more aggressive with diaz than d'nofrio and Baker so i give him credit for that but throws **** up on the wall, crosses his fingers and hopes the talent protects him. However; i don't have confidence that baker will be removed. And if he is removed, i think diaz brings in another guy he has to look over his shoulder and/or run diaz's defense.
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I seriously have thoughts if Baker is let go, Rumph will be let go, but Banda promoted to the DC position.
 
Rellyrell said:
I seriously have thoughts if Baker is let go, Rumph will be let go, but Banda promoted to the DC position.
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Do they even consider coordinating from the booth, specifically defense, so that they see how offenses are scheming and how our players are reading, reacting.and attacking. Let the position coaches roam the sidelines and consult with players. Just my .46 cents.
 
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404CANES said:
Do they even consider coordinating from the booth, specifically defense, so that they see how offenses are scheming and how our players are reading, reacting.and attacking. Let the position coaches roam the sidelines and consult with players. Just my .46 cents.
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Think we’ve been saying this for a while now. Just wanted to add .04 more cents to make it a full 50 cent thought
 
we Have zero chance to make the cfp. Florida, tamu, notre dame and probably more would go with two losses before we would make it with one loss. Our schedule is pathetic, we just make it look hard. That’s what she said...
 
Rellyrell said:
I wouldn’t mind; honestly. I don’t think Manny’s the greatest def mind out there, but what we run under him, at the ACC Coastal level, should have us competing for the ACCCG every season, as long as Lashlee is still here. But I would much rather Diaz be the CEO/sales guy of the program. Not sure he’s equipped enough, at this stage of his tenure to handle both.
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I wonder if Reed has any interest in coaching. If so, replace Rumph with him. Manny takes over as DC. Replace Patke with Barrow. Get a stud ST coach.
 
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The defensive coaching staff needs a cleansing. You need a nice balance between recruiters and teachers who can develop players.

Banda is a very good if not great recruiter.
Stroud low key is a good recruiter and an average teacher.
Rumph is a horrible recruiter and an above average teacher.
Patke is a horrible recruiter and an above average teacher (Finley and Frierson both blossomed under his tuteledge).
Baker...well...whatever.

That's a mediocre staff. In my opinion, you keep Banda for his recruiting prowess, while the rest including Baker are expendable. Manny should go out and hire an innovative, aggressive DC that shares Manny's philosophy on how to play D (doesnt have to be the same exact scheme) and let the new DC bring in 2 or possibly 3 new coaches.
 
hydro66 said:
Unreal on how they would sarcrafise our football team to the buddy system. That is so sick. The BOOSTERS and alumni need to step in. Does ED REED have any say so
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Why don't you step in? Boosters pay money. You can do that. Otherwise you're just b!itching about what a school that you have nothing to do with should do.
 
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