Lyle

[Calinative]

This RB draft class looks bad to me ngl. I feel even stronger that Fletcher should have declared tbh. Wonder what his combine numbers would be though…

If he plays like he did in playoffs next season, it’ll be great for us though…

 

[joeB954]

Lyle will show people how good he really is this year. Is there a team with more weapons, period? If our offensive line gels this might be the best offense that Miami has ever seen. Balancing it with giving guys enough carries and receivers enough touches will be interesting. In my opinion, this team is built to win the title THIS YEAR. Our defensive line will be the nastiest in college football.

 

[Silentobserver]

This RB draft class looks bad to me ngl. I feel even stronger that Fletcher should have declared tbh. Wonder what his combine numbers would be though…

If he plays like he did in playoffs next season, it’ll be great for us though…

Fletcher probably didn't get a grade valued equal to his NIL at Miami. He's currently more valuable to the Hurricanes than to an NFL team. NIL money I'm sure helped tip the scales in favor of Miami over the NFL

 

[Pimpdaddycane]

I’m old school. Give me the contemporary Stephen McGuire & Larry Jones* combo of Mark MF Fletcher and CharMar Brown. Pads down moving forward, and man Brown has some hands to erase tight throws when the chips are down.

Just get out in front of the chains and keep rolling downhill. Pringle and Lyle are incredible backups, but Pringle can’t block (yet) and Lyle has to eliminate negative runs.


*These were two of Mario’s dudes when he played. He knows what it is supposed to look and feel like.

 

[skyman]

This RB draft class looks bad to me ngl. I feel even stronger that Fletcher should have declared tbh. Wonder what his combine numbers would be though…

If he plays like he did in playoffs next season, it’ll be great for us though…

Yea timing is everything but I think him seeing Martinez (loaded RB draft) leave 1,000,000+ on table to go to league and not have a job.. Made him think twice..

Fletcher probably didn't get a grade valued equal to his NIL at Miami. He's currently more valuable to the Hurricanes than to an NFL team. NIL money I'm sure helped tip the scales in favor of Miami over the NFL

RB position in nfl is least valued dam near.. Every situation is different, that run he went on in cfb playoffs was impressive but with NIL, he not losing.. He definitely over a mil and maybe closer to 2.. Like you are saying, more valuable to us..

 

[Combo]

Yea timing is everything but I think him seeing Martinez (loaded RB draft) leave 1,000,000+ on table to go to league and not have a job.. Made him think twice..


RB position in nfl is least valued dam near.. Every situation is different, that run he went on in cfb playoffs was impressive but with NIL, he not losing.. He definitely over a mil and maybe closer to 2.. Like you are saying, more valuable to us..

Both excellent points. NIL changed the staying/leaving decision more for RBs than any other position.

 

[Calinative]

Fletcher probably didn't get a grade valued equal to his NIL at Miami. He's currently more valuable to the Hurricanes than to an NFL team. NIL money I'm sure helped tip the scales in favor of Miami over the NFL

People keep saying this, but on it's face it is absurd. Why would we offer someone signficantly more in NIL than he is likely to get in the NFL at a low value high supply position...

If that were true it'd be dumb as **** by our staff. No other way to put it.

How many carries do you think he will get this year? He aint gunna be a workhorse most of the season. So why would he be paid like it.

 

[canecountry3]

People keep saying this, but on it's face it is absurd. Why would we offer someone signficantly more in NIL than he is likely to get in the NFL at a low value high supply position...

If that were true it'd be dumb as **** by our staff. No other way to put it.

How many carries do you think he will get this year? He aint gunna be a workhorse most of the season. So why would he be paid like it.

Why would Miami want him to be a workhorse? He performance in the playoffs was MVP worthy and part of the reason he was able to do that is he was fresh. That boy was running like it was first game of the year.

You didn’t see any midgets darting around in the playoffs on any successful team. Ole Miss, Indiana, Miami had big *** RBs laying wood.

He’s also good in pass protection and is the leader of the team. He can successfully put the team on his back if needed.

You pay him a lot.

 

[AtlAtty]

People keep saying this, but on it's face it is absurd. Why would we offer someone signficantly more in NIL than he is likely to get in the NFL at a low value high supply position...

If that were true it'd be dumb as **** by our staff. No other way to put it.

How many carries do you think he will get this year? He aint gunna be a workhorse most of the season. So why would he be paid like it.

What is the point you are trying to make about Fletcher, keeping in mind that you are a UM fan?

Did you actually want him to enter the draft? How would that have helped UM. And if UM paid him good moeny to stay in college, isn’t that a win-win situation? Fletcher would not be the first player to make more money with NIL than in the pros.

Example in basketball is Hunter ****inson who made much more in college than he makes in the G League. But there are many more examples of players who are more valuable to their college football or basketball team than they would be in the pros. In fact, every single college player who receives NIL money but does not play in the NFL made more money in college than the pros. It’s just a function of the supply and demand.

But here is my point in case it is unclear. Be happy that Fletcher is returning. It’s a good thing for UM and a good tihng for Fletcher. And when everyone is happy, there is just no reason to argue unless the argument is who is happier.

 

[E1k]

People keep saying this, but on it's face it is absurd. Why would we offer someone signficantly more in NIL than he is likely to get in the NFL at a low value high supply position...

If that were true it'd be dumb as **** by our staff. No other way to put it.

How many carries do you think he will get this year? He aint gunna be a workhorse most of the season. So why would he be paid like it.

I think we would all agree Martinez was better than fletch, certainly had a more productive college career and he’s currently not on a team after one year. Probably will land on a practice squad

So if you can stay in college another year and get more nil even if its not what you would get in the nfl you should do it. This is the highest his value will be in his football career, cash in as much as you can

Average nfl career for rbs are 3 years, why wouldn’t you stay your senior year for that extra money and graduate if he hasn’t already. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up a coach here

 

[Calinative]

What is the point you are trying to make about Fletcher, keeping in mind that you are a UM fan?

Did you actually want him to enter the draft? How would that have helped UM. And if UM paid him good moeny to stay in college, isn’t that a win-win situation? Fletcher would not be the first player to make more money with NIL than in the pros.

Example in basketball is Hunter ****inson who made much more in college than he makes in the G League. But there are many more examples of players who are more valuable to their college football or basketball team than they would be in the pros. In fact, every single college player who receives NIL money but does not play in the NFL made more money in college than the pros. It’s just a function of the supply and demand.

But here is my point in case it is unclear. Be happy that Fletcher is returning. It’s a good thing for UM and a good tihng for Fletcher. And when everyone is happy, there is just no reason to argue unless the argument is who is happier.

The point I made was stated extremely clearly - that he probably should have entered the draft. Thats what imo was in HIS best interest. This draft class sucks at RB. RBs also have a low shelf life and getting to a 2nd contract is critical for their overall earnings. I also clearly said paying a RB a **** load of money NIL isn't a very smart idea, at least when it's not a 3 yr 1st rounder type. It's about being smart with your money. How many carries will Fletcher receive this year, also factoring in that we have a lot of other RBs returning? How much money will he get? Whats the $/Touch? Lol. Lets be real here there isn't an endless supply of money, and you have to make smart choices on how to spend. Dropping something ridiculous on Fletcher would be dumb. And the only logical way it'd be worth it is if he was a complete bellcow back that produced like he did in the playoffs - which was excellent. But again what I actually said was the statement that we'd value him so much more than the NFL is what I think is crazy and just blatantly a dumb strategy.

Now I'm not saying Fletcher actually IS receiving some insane amount of money. I'm saying it'd be dumb as **** to value him so much more than an NFL team would, which was the comment I responded to said. A 3rd round pick makes $1.19M minimum year 1. That would probably be the absolute ceiling of his draft potential imo. a 5th rounder makes $975k min. That's more in line with what the absolute ceiling of what we should even THINK of paying him is. Thats reality. You can't make super emotional dumb decisions. Especially not at such a devalued position where we already have 3 other RBs on this roster that can step up AND could have gotten an alternative in the portal. ..


Basketball is also very different because CBB is bigger than the G-League, and 1 top player has an extremely greater impact on winning than any football player except the QB. That should be quite obvious.

 

[Calinative]

Why would Miami want him to be a workhorse? He performance in the playoffs was MVP worthy and part of the reason he was able to do that is he was fresh. That boy was running like it was first game of the year.

You didn’t see any midgets darting around in the playoffs on any successful team. Ole Miss, Indiana, Miami had big *** RBs laying wood.

He’s also good in pass protection and is the leader of the team. He can successfully put the team on his back if needed.

You pay him a lot.

he was a workhorse in the playoffs.

You pay him what he's worth. And what he is worth isn't dramatically more than an NFL team would pay him lmao.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Lyle will show people how good he really is this year. Is there a team with more weapons, period? If our offensive line gels this might be the best offense that Miami has ever seen. Balancing it with giving guys enough carries and receivers enough touches will be interesting. In my opinion, this team is built to win the title THIS YEAR. Our defensive line will be the nastiest in college football.

 

[Calinative]

I think we would all agree Martinez was better than fletch, certainly had a more productive college career and he’s currently not on a team after one year. Probably will land on a practice squad

So if you can stay in college another year and get more nil even if its not what you would get in the nfl you should do it. This is the highest his value will be in his football career, cash in as much as you can

Average nfl career for rbs are 3 years, why wouldn’t you stay your senior year for that extra money and graduate if he hasn’t already. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up a coach here

Martinez entered in a FAR better draft class, is almost certainly not on a team for reasons that have nothing to do with talent and are all to do with him personally and his lack of work ethic.

Where do you think Fletcher would have been drafted this year?

That determines how much he'd be paid. It's quite simple really. Sure at the end of the day there are more CFB players than NFL players drafted and thus not EVERYONE can be paid simply by draft stock... and there can be studs in CFB that don't quite have NFL potential but can still be "worth" a lot. But A) you do that too much you get burned and B) it's shoudln't be at a Significant difference.

Average NFL careers are 3 years... What is the average for players drafted in the 3rd round or better? What is it for players drafted 6th or later? very different things. Fletcher THIS YEAR imo was a lock top 4 round RB. Honestly he may have had a shot at being RB 3-5 off the board. This class truly sucks imo. You have Love as a 1st, Price as a 2nd most likely, then jack **** mostly. Theres like 6 "consensus" top 100 rbs - and one of those is nick singleton who is god awful. There are 12 top 200. Last year there was 8 top 100 and like 20ish top 200 and that wasn't even counting Monangai, Croskey-merritt, Kalel Mullings, etc

 

[Cane Fan 4 Life]

People keep saying this, but on it's face it is absurd. Why would we offer someone signficantly more in NIL than he is likely to get in the NFL at a low value high supply position...

If that were true it'd be dumb as **** by our staff. No other way to put it.

How many carries do you think he will get this year? He aint gunna be a workhorse most of the season. So why would he be paid like it.

I think you’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter what we pay bc NIL money isn’t an issue with us as it would be for another college program.

We are essentially the old school NY Yankees or glory days Manchester United. We pay the best to be the best.

 

[Calinative]

I think you’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter what we pay bc NIL money isn’t an issue with us as it would be for another college program.

We are essentially the old school NY Yankees or glory days Manchester United. We pay the best to be the best.

That's a dumb way of looking at things, because it is factually incorrect. If that were the case we'd have the #1 HS recruiting class in the country yearly, and the top portal Class. We don't.

 

[E1k]

Martinez entered in a FAR better draft class, is almost certainly not on a team for reasons that have nothing to do with talent and are all to do with him personally and his lack of work ethic.

Where do you think Fletcher would have been drafted this year?

That determines how much he'd be paid. It's quite simple really. Sure at the end of the day there are more CFB players than NFL players drafted and thus not EVERYONE can be paid simply by draft stock... and there can be studs in CFB that don't quite have NFL potential but can still be "worth" a lot. But A) you do that too much you get burned and B) it's shoudln't be at a Significant difference.

Average NFL careers are 3 years... What is the average for players drafted in the 3rd round or better? What is it for players drafted 6th or later? very different things. Fletcher THIS YEAR imo was a lock top 4 round RB. Honestly he may have had a shot at being RB 3-5 off the board. This class truly sucks imo. You have Love as a 1st, Price as a 2nd most likely, then jack **** mostly. Theres like 6 "consensus" top 100 rbs - and one of those is nick singleton who is god awful. There are 12 top 200. Last year there was 8 top 100 and like 20ish top 200 and that wasn't even counting Monangai, Croskey-merritt, Kalel Mullings, etc

I understand the rb draft class point but i don’t think that automatically equals a players draft stock being raised at running back, maybe for other positions but running backs? Teams would probably trade a day3 pick or pay one 2-5m before spending a draft pick. Just look at the movement and buzz around this free agent rb class

I think fletch would be a day 3 pick 5-7th round, and that would not change no matter what imo unless he miraculously becomes All American level next year. So to me if your stock is unlikely to change you should just stay in school were your value is high and you work on a degree, make more money before your most likely short nfl career, and get whatever other sponsorships players get here

 

[Calinative]

I understand the rb draft class point but i don’t think that automatically equals a players draft stock being raised at running back, maybe for other positions but running backs? Teams would probably trade a day3 pick or pay one 2-5m before spending a draft pick. Just look at the movement and buzz around this free agent rb class

I think fletch would be a day 3 pick 5-7th round, and that would not change no matter what imo unless he miraculously becomes All American level next year. So to me if your stock is unlikely to change you should just stay in school were your value is high and you work on a degree, make more money before your most likely short nfl career, and get whatever other sponsorships players get here

I think you are absolutely wrong lol

 

[Hegemon]

Lyle will show people how good he really is this year. Is there a team with more weapons, period? If our offensive line gels this might be the best offense that Miami has ever seen. Balancing it with giving guys enough carries and receivers enough touches will be interesting. In my opinion, this team is built to win the title THIS YEAR. Our defensive line will be the nastiest in college football.

Mensah is going to mask a lot of whatever initially we see as issues with our OL.

We start with four cupcakes.

 

[QuattroCane]

Mensah is going to mask a lot of whatever initially we see as issues with our OL.

We start with four cupcakes.

I don’t think that can be stated enough. Mensah is a huge pick up with the line being in transition.
As for RB it’s been fascinating to watch the devaluation of the position over the years.
While, I admit, I’m not a big NFL fan I couldn’t name three starting rb’s right now.