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Ibis4life said:
Coach Don Soldinger said Lyle is it, a big time talent. If Solly thinks he is all that I'm not ready to give up on him. I think it's just a lost season for him due to his early injury.
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That’s fair

Martinez struggled early last year adjusting to our offense before he got rolling

Remember people saying he had no vision?

I am all for running back rotations but one of my gripes with it under Mario is it feels predetermined

Running backs need rest but they also need reps to get into rhythm and I don’t think we do a good job with that
 
Try running some tosses, counters.
Give Pringle a chance to get to the edge. We haven’t got much out of the TEs (have actually been mostly a liability), so use a 6th OL instead. Dolphins did it today against Buffalo with massive success.
 
JHallCanes said:
That’s fair

Martinez struggled early last year adjusting to our offense before he got rolling

Remember people saying he had no vision?

I am all for running back rotations but one of my gripes with it under Mario is it feels predetermined

Running backs need rest but they also need reps to get into rhythm and I don’t think we do a good job with that
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I get why this argument is made. But here's why IMO it's very different situations:

TRACK RECORD
  • Martinez basically had two 1,000 yd 6+ ypc seasons before coming to Miami
  • Lyle has 1..."maybe" 2 good games vs P4 teams (WF & Stanford). We won those games by 28+

MARTINEZ "STRUGGLES"
  • Martinez started slow for sure - but his "struggles" were averaging 4 ypc over 3 games before blowing up
  • Lyle's averaged under 4 ypc in 7 of his last 8 games

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bshaw28 said:
I get why this argument is made. But here's why IMO it's very different situations:

TRACK RECORD
  • Martinez basically had two 1,000 yd 6+ ypc seasons before coming to Miami
  • Lyle has 1..."maybe" 2 good games vs P4 teams (WF & Stanford). We won those games by 28+

MARTINEZ "STRUGGLES"
  • Martinez started slow for sure - but his "struggles" were averaging 4 ypc over 3 games before blowing up
  • Lyle's averaged under 4 ypc in 7 of his last 8 games

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I actually meant to put it in quotes myself because I am in agreement with you

But that was part of the talk from the coaches and people around practice
 
JHallCanes said:
I actually meant to put it in quotes myself because I am in agreement with you

But that was part of the talk from the coaches and people around practice
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I listened to the D$ and Darrell Streeter podcast last week.....

Both agreed Lyle is our most talented RB.

Streeter said the problem was we weren't giving Lyle enough opportunities to get in a rhythm.

IMO - that's very poor self-scouting/self-evaluation, and that's our biggest issue.
 
bshaw28 said:
I listened to the D$ and Darrell Streeter podcast last week.....

Both agreed Lyle is our most talented RB.

Streeter said the problem was we weren't giving Lyle enough opportunities to get in a rhythm.

IMO - that's very poor self-scouting/self-evaluation, and that's our biggest issue.
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Lyle argument falls apart the second Pringle hits the field and looks better than him

I’ve been listening to people tell us how good Lofton and Lyle are for a long time but I’ve never seen any evidence of it

I was really concerned this offseason when we didn’t pursue anyone in the portal at RB because Lyle would have transferred

Also been listening to our insiders and coaches telling us that McCoy is a future star LT for 3-4 years now as well with no evidence of that

I knew we would miss Martinez bad but it’s still more than I imagined

Hopefully it clicks with him at some point because it’s always felt like we see forcing the issue with him. Playing him last year when Martinez was rolling definitely hurt us against Syracuse but I’ll not open that wound again
 
JHallCanes said:
Lyle argument falls apart the second Pringle hits the field and looks better than him

I’ve been listening to people tell us how good Lofton and Lyle are for a long time but I’ve never seen any evidence of it

I was really concerned this offseason when we didn’t pursue anyone in the portal at RB because Lyle would have transferred

Also been listening to our insiders and coaches telling us that McCoy is a future star LT for 3-4 years now as well with no evidence of that

I knew we would miss Martinez bad but it’s still more than I imagined

Hopefully it clicks with him at some point because it’s always felt like we see forcing the issue with him. Playing him last year when Martinez was rolling definitely hurt us against Syracuse but I’ll not open that wound again
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100% agree on all your points. Can't keep crowning dudes based on practices.

D$ is a fan running a fan site. I expect some level of sunshine pumping. I'm not sure how much he actually believes what he's saying.

The concern is D$ is connected to the program. If the people responsible for evaluating our talent are actually thinking/believing the same thing - then we have BIG issues.

So....

When I say - "Is Fletcher Homer/Dallas/Martinez? No" - D$ says "Fletcher is firmly in that group"

When D$ Says - "In terms of NFL potential, Lyle is as good as we've had since Lamar Miller"
I said - "People will pretty quickly see Fletcher is a notch above Lyle once the season starts. IMO as Lyle gets more meaningful carries against better teams, he'll look a little more vanilla"

That's a problem if D$'s just echoing what people in the program think. It's crazy it took so long to see it with Lyle.

To your point when you say "Lyle argument falls apart the second Pringle hits the field and looks better than him" - I 100% agree. But it never should have gotten to that point.

Lyle averaged under 4 ypc in 6 of his last 7 games before Syracuse....SO WE MAKE LYLE THE STARTER FOR SYRACUSE??? Why are we rewarding poor play? The coaches should've identified Pringle needed more touches WAY before Syracuse.
 
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bshaw28 said:
100% agree on all your points. Can't keep crowning dudes based on practices.

D$ is a fan running a fan site. I expect some level of sunshine pumping. I'm not sure how much he actually believes what he's saying.

The concern is D$ is connected to the program. If the people responsible for evaluating our talent are actually thinking/believing the same thing - then we have BIG issues.

So....

When I say - "Is Fletcher Homer/Dallas/Martinez? No" - D$ says "Fletcher is firmly in that group"

When D$ Says - "In terms of NFL potential, Lyle is as good as we've had since Lamar Miller"
I said - "People will pretty quickly see Fletcher is a notch above Lyle once the season starts. IMO as Lyle gets more meaningful carries against better teams, he'll look a little more vanilla"

That's a problem if D$'s just echoing what people in the program think. It's crazy it took so long to see it with Lyle.

To your point when you say "Lyle argument falls apart the second Pringle hits the field and looks better than him" - I 100% agree. But it never should have gotten to that point.

Lyle averaged under 4 ypc in 6 of his last 7 games before Syracuse....SO WE MAKE LYLE THE STARTER FOR SYRACUSE??? Why are we rewarding poor play? The coaches should've identified Pringle needed more touches WAY before Syracuse.
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Id have Fletcher and Pringle be RBA/B right now and Brown being RB 3. Fletcher is really only a RB I’d normally want on short yardage and goal line. He’s been horrible as a receive his entire career. He can’t run for more than 12 yards. But Fletcher has been our best RB which is sad.

Pringle should OBVIOUSLY have overtaken Lyle after this past game. Zero excuse period. Sure if Lyle gets some snaps and actually produces he can get more that game. But entering the game if Lyle is outsnapping Pringle or Brown this is absurd
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
Try running some tosses, counters.
Give Pringle a chance to get to the edge. We haven’t got much out of the TEs (have actually been mostly a liability), so use a 6th OL instead. Dolphins did it today against Buffalo with massive success.
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Have seen when Mario disguised his center of the future as a TE? Its been a **** show.
 
All I know is, I moved from lays to Pringle and I never went back

lay off me i'm starving chris farley GIF
 
JHallCanes said:
Lyle argument falls apart the second Pringle hits the field and looks better than him

I’ve been listening to people tell us how good Lofton and Lyle are for a long time but I’ve never seen any evidence of it

I was really concerned this offseason when we didn’t pursue anyone in the portal at RB because Lyle would have transferred

Also been listening to our insiders and coaches telling us that McCoy is a future star LT for 3-4 years now as well with no evidence of that

I knew we would miss Martinez bad but it’s still more than I imagined

Hopefully it clicks with him at some point because it’s always felt like we see forcing the issue with him. Playing him last year when Martinez was rolling definitely hurt us against Syracuse but I’ll not open that wound again
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this ... don't tell me it's rhythm when a guy comes in and produces immediately ... talent always shows up ... free up the money, wish him the best
 
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Lyle looks like he's hurt. He's missing the burst he had last year. Pringle obviously needs to get more reps. He has the speed that's been missing to get to the outside.
 
Calinative said:
Id have Fletcher and Pringle be RBA/B right now and Brown being RB 3. Fletcher is really only a RB I’d normally want on short yardage and goal line. He’s been horrible as a receive his entire career. He can’t run for more than 12 yards. But Fletcher has been our best RB which is sad.

Pringle should OBVIOUSLY have overtaken Lyle after this past game. Zero excuse period. Sure if Lyle gets some snaps and actually produces he can get more that game. But entering the game if Lyle is outsnapping Pringle or Brown this is absurd
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I'm with you

Fletcher is our #1 RB, but he's more suited to being a solid #2. He's real good around the LOS but it gets ugly when he's in the open field.

Pringle has a clear advantage in speed/burst/change of direction quickness over Lyle. He' should've gotten some run weeks ago. But I still want to see more than just late carries vs Stanford & Syracuse.

With Lyle...it'll be interesting to see how he's used from here. With Fletcher out I'd still expect him to get 5-10 carries. I don't really agree with it - but just playing the odds he's due to have a good game at some point.

I think there's reasons beyond on-field production that Lyle continues to get playing time.
 
Im not sure what youre looking at if you think Lyle is our most talented anything. Based on what? What you see at practice? He looks mid in practice, too. I assure you. You don't look like he looks in games and look dramatically different in practice. He's a can crusher and really isn't a back for this level of ball in this kind of offense.
 
Rellyrell said:
None of u guys were saying this last yr, so allow me to refresh ur memory of how great Lyle was going to be:



So u don’t remember this? Or maybe u don’t remember the “Lyle Is Not Hurt” thread? Based upon what we saw last yr, we thought Lyle was Him. All I’m saying is let’s stop crowning b/c of 1 game against one of the worst teams in the P4.
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Just watched those highlights, he doesn’t even look like the same player this year. Hope it’s just lingering affects from his injury and he can get right. Something is off how he is running this year.
My biggest complaint this year is his lack of vision.
 
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