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INCaneFan said:
brock said:
INCaneFan said:
Since it's a keeping up with the Jones' thing, cool I guess. Besides that though, I consider it a collosal waste of money even though this stuff apparently matters to this generation of recruits.
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We had like 15 practices or more cancelled last year because of the bipolar weather system of south Florida and you think this is a waste of money? You have horrible viewpoints and overall a lack football knowledge but now we know you lack common sense too
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Do you really believe missed practices amounted to anything with regards to our win / loss record?

When we were good, we didn't have an indoor practice facility. More schools have them now than then, but schools did have them at that time. IU, a worthless football program has had one for a very long time. Has it helped them?

My opinion is this. These things don't bring wins, but if it gets you one recruit who would've gone somewhere else because you weren't as blinged out of a program as another, then build it. Unfortunately every little thing matters these days. It used to be about competing and repping your local team....times have changed though. All the fancy stuff matters.

P.s. Anytime you want to talk football Brock, bring it.
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Every program in the ACC either has or announced plans for facility except Miami, who has arguably the worst fall weather of all the programs in ACC if not country. It's not keeping up with the Jones', it's meeting the standard.
 
INCaneFan said:
brock said:
INCaneFan said:
Since it's a keeping up with the Jones' thing, cool I guess. Besides that though, I consider it a collosal waste of money even though this stuff apparently matters to this generation of recruits.
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We had like 15 practices or more cancelled last year because of the bipolar weather system of south Florida and you think this is a waste of money? You have horrible viewpoints and overall a lack football knowledge but now we know you lack common sense too
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Do you really believe missed practices amounted to anything with regards to our win / loss record?

When we were good, we didn't have an indoor practice facility. More schools have them now than then, but schools did have them at that time. IU, a worthless football program has had one for a very long time. Has it helped them?

My opinion is this. These things don't bring wins, but if it gets you one recruit who would've gone somewhere else because you weren't as blinged out of a program as another, then build it. Unfortunately every little thing matters these days. It used to be about competing and repping your local team....times have changed though. All the fancy stuff matters.

P.s. Anytime you want to talk football Brock, bring it.
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This isn't 1980 anymore man. The NCAA has cracked down on everything. Student athletes can't be on a field for 30 minutes after THE LaST lightning strike. If you don't think missing 15 practices is a big deal with the NcAA's practice hour limits then there's no help for you. This isn't a fancy thing, this is a practical wins and losses thing.
 
There are mandatory practice cancellations when lightning occurs anywhere near our practice field. In south Florida, that's a real problem. We can't practice as much as other teams. This isn't just some fancy indoor play area. We need this to practice as much as other teams. If ANY team needs an indoor practice facility, it is us. We lose more practices to lightning than any other university...

This has NOTHING to do with the recruits, but everything to do with being able to keep practicing when there is lightning in the area. In SFL, that is darn near every day. Again, there are rules in place prohibiting us from practicing in certain conditions, and an indoor practice facility takes care of that.
INCaneFan said:
Since it's a keeping up with the Jones' thing, cool I guess. Besides that though, I consider it a collosal waste of money even though this stuff apparently matters to this generation of recruits.
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ThomasM said:
There are mandatory practice cancellations when lightning occurs anywhere near our practice field. In south Florida, that's a real problem. We can't practice as much as other teams. This isn't just some fancy indoor play area. We need this to practice as much as other teams. If ANY team needs an indoor practice facility, it is us. We lose more practices to lightning than any other university...

This has NOTHING to do with the recruits, but everything to do with being able to keep practicing when there is lightning in the area. In SFL, that is darn near every day. Again, there are rules in place prohibiting us from practicing in certain conditions, and an indoor practice facility takes care of that.
INCaneFan said:
Since it's a keeping up with the Jones' thing, cool I guess. Besides that though, I consider it a collosal waste of money even though this stuff apparently matters to this generation of recruits.
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Do you or the guy above you have any statistical data to back up your claims that we miss more practice than the rest of the country?

Dude, they have had stoppages and time added for lightning strikes within a 15 mile area for 30 years at least. That **** hasn't changed and again, it wasn't a problem before. Perhaps last year was a bad year for that, I don't know. I'd have to see a larger sample size to make a statement like that.

This is just another collegiate arms race spectacle. I'm not against it, but it's funny seeing people make such grandiose statements trying to make it more than it is.
 
INCaneFan said:
ThomasM said:
There are mandatory practice cancellations when lightning occurs anywhere near our practice field. In south Florida, that's a real problem. We can't practice as much as other teams. This isn't just some fancy indoor play area. We need this to practice as much as other teams. If ANY team needs an indoor practice facility, it is us. We lose more practices to lightning than any other university...

This has NOTHING to do with the recruits, but everything to do with being able to keep practicing when there is lightning in the area. In SFL, that is darn near every day. Again, there are rules in place prohibiting us from practicing in certain conditions, and an indoor practice facility takes care of that.
INCaneFan said:
Since it's a keeping up with the Jones' thing, cool I guess. Besides that though, I consider it a collosal waste of money even though this stuff apparently matters to this generation of recruits.
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Do you or the guy above you have any statistical data to back up your claims that we miss more practice than the rest of the country?
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I wouldn't hold your breath..."there is just no helping you is my favorite..."
 
The NCAA rule is "lightning within 6" as indicated by lightning flash + thunder heard at <=30 secs as a requirement to seek shelter. Anything greater is the best judgment of the responsible decision makers.

I'm not anti-IPF, but is the structure truly a "must have" vs "nice to have infrastructure" upgrade? At this time for the program, is it the best use of funds (either directly or as force enabler)? Remember, it often isn't the capability they are buying thats expensive, but rather the sustainment that eats chunks of the budget (i.e. think about guy who buys a Porsche and then can't afford to insure or maintain it). I'm hoping the sustainment piece isn't crushing considering the IPF is really nothing more than just a warehouse with BAFs for HVAC.

Does anyone know if SMU, TCU, or Baylor have IPFs? Wake Forest or Vanderbilt? GT?
 
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Jeeperaf said:
The NCAA rule is "lightning within 6" as indicated by lightning flash + thunder heard at <=30 secs as a requirement to seek shelter. Anything greater is the best judgment of the responsible decision makers.

I'm not anti-IPF, but is the structure truly a "must have" vs "nice to have infrastructure" upgrade? At this time for the program, is it the best use of funds (either directly or as force enabler)? Remember, it often isn't the capability they are buying thats expensive, but rather the sustainment that eats chunks of the budget (i.e. think about guy who buys a Porsche and then can't afford to insure or maintain it). I'm hoping the sustainment piece isn't crushing considering the IPF is really nothing more than just a warehouse with BAFs for HVAC.

Does anyone know if SMU, TCU, or Baylor have IPFs? Wake Forest or Vanderbilt? GT?
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Each of those programs either have an IPF or have plans on building one (SMU)
 
INCaneFan said:
brock said:
INCaneFan said:
Since it's a keeping up with the Jones' thing, cool I guess. Besides that though, I consider it a collosal waste of money even though this stuff apparently matters to this generation of recruits.
Click to expand...

We had like 15 practices or more cancelled last year because of the bipolar weather system of south Florida and you think this is a waste of money? You have horrible viewpoints and overall a lack football knowledge but now we know you lack common sense too
Click to expand...

Do you really believe missed practices amounted to anything with regards to our win / loss record?

When we were good, we didn't have an indoor practice facility. More schools have them now than then, but schools did have them at that time. IU, a worthless football program has had one for a very long time. Has it helped them?

My opinion is this. These things don't bring wins, but if it gets you one recruit who would've gone somewhere else because you weren't as blinged out of a program as another, then build it. Unfortunately every little thing matters these days. It used to be about competing and repping your local team....times have changed though. All the fancy stuff matters.

P.s. Anytime you want to talk football Brock, bring it.
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You're one hundred percent wrong on several fronts. Yes obviously when we were good we didn't have a ipf either. However & very important to note YOU ALSO DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME RULES IN PLACE FROMAN THE NCAA (IN PARTICULAR LIGHTNING IN THE AREA)when we were good we were out there in all sorts of weather. We just didn't care. Anyone who believes missing large amounts of practices on a yearly basis doesn't negatively affect the development of the players & the team as a whole is simply naive. Practice is how you learn the dumbest systems that have been in place & technique. Without that it's a mess.
 
The U Code said:
Jeeperaf said:
The NCAA rule is "lightning within 6" as indicated by lightning flash + thunder heard at <=30 secs as a requirement to seek shelter. Anything greater is the best judgment of the responsible decision makers.

I'm not anti-IPF, but is the structure truly a "must have" vs "nice to have infrastructure" upgrade? At this time for the program, is it the best use of funds (either directly or as force enabler)? Remember, it often isn't the capability they are buying thats expensive, but rather the sustainment that eats chunks of the budget (i.e. think about guy who buys a Porsche and then can't afford to insure or maintain it). I'm hoping the sustainment piece isn't crushing considering the IPF is really nothing more than just a warehouse with BAFs for HVAC.

Does anyone know if SMU, TCU, or Baylor have IPFs? Wake Forest or Vanderbilt? GT?
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Each of those programs either have an IPF or have plans on building one (SMU)
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And the DI $$$$ arms race continues...especially surprising for SMU...they have $$$$$ for sure, but like Miami, where in the world they place it I wouldn't guess.

Is Miami planning to site the IPF over the existing Greentree practice fields? Intramural fields next to dorm towers? Hopefull CoCG will approve without demanding a pound of flesh...
 
Jeeperaf said:
The U Code said:
Jeeperaf said:
The NCAA rule is "lightning within 6" as indicated by lightning flash + thunder heard at <=30 secs as a requirement to seek shelter. Anything greater is the best judgment of the responsible decision makers.

I'm not anti-IPF, but is the structure truly a "must have" vs "nice to have infrastructure" upgrade? At this time for the program, is it the best use of funds (either directly or as force enabler)? Remember, it often isn't the capability they are buying thats expensive, but rather the sustainment that eats chunks of the budget (i.e. think about guy who buys a Porsche and then can't afford to insure or maintain it). I'm hoping the sustainment piece isn't crushing considering the IPF is really nothing more than just a warehouse with BAFs for HVAC.

Does anyone know if SMU, TCU, or Baylor have IPFs? Wake Forest or Vanderbilt? GT?
Click to expand...

Each of those programs either have an IPF or have plans on building one (SMU)
Click to expand...

And the DI $$$$ arms race continues...especially surprising for SMU...they have $$$$$ for sure, but like Miami, where in the world they place it I wouldn't guess.

Is Miami planning to site the IPF over the existing Greentree practice fields? Intramural fields next to dorm towers? Hopefull CoCG will approve without demanding a pound of flesh...
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Greentree.
 
The Clemson beat down was the gift that keeps on giving to the U. Who knew a 58-0 *** whipping would be what saved this program?

Also, the pro-day I'm sure was the final straw with this ipf. There was no longer an argument to not have a facility after that
 
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Every single school in the p5 has one or plans to build one, I don't see how somebody could logically deem it unnecessary.
 
This is all you need to see....

UM is the only Atlantic Coast Conference school without an indoor facility or a publicly announced plan for one. Boston College unveiled its plans in February, and North Carolina released its plans last November.

Miami in-state rival Florida State opened its indoor facility in 2013, and the University of Florida unveiled its facility in August 2015.
 
Ver said:
Every single school in the p5 has one or plans to build one, I don't see how somebody could logically deem it unnecessary.
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Let's walk through this a minute...

Just because every p5 school has one doesn't make it a requirement. Now, for northern schools, yes, I can see the absolute weather advantages of having an IPF...no question.

Southern schools, especially the closer to latitudes of Miami, have a tougher sell from the basis of weather alone (even with our SoFla rain storms).

So, other than "we have to have one because Bama does", what pros/cons does an IPF, at a rumored $28M, really bring to Miami?

Here's what I offer:

Pros
- Sited on Greentree, so really just covering existing practice space
- unquestioned all-weather practice flexibility
- does bring a "wow" factor to the infrastructure offerings of the program

Cons
- $28m that COULD POSSIBLY be spent to address other program needs (don't know what they are, but satellite camps will be $$$$)
- sustainment costs now added to a private university's o&m budget without deeper resources to offset/pay


I think I heard this phrase somewhere before...but...if fans don't think that the organizational design amd resourcing of a program arent just as critical as the actual players and on field performance for the long term success of said program...i don't know what to tell you...
 
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