Rellyrell
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So, I've seen a couple of fairly new posters try to discredit Butch's coaching ability during his stint at UNC. First off, the argument is laughable. Someone posted his 15-17 record in the ACC during his time there; again, misleading information posted. So since these individuals are trying to discredit Butch the God....let's really examine what he did at UNC, shall we?
Butch came on board in 2007. He took over a UNC program that went 27-45 under John Bunting. He took over a program that had one winning season in the last 6 years. Sure UNC has produced great players like Julius Peppers, Dre Bly, and the great Lawrence Taylor, but let's be honest, everyone knows when you think of UNC, you think Dean Smith, Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Roy Williams and the basketball program.
In fairness, UNC is through and through a b-ball school, yet Butch took over a program and actually made them competitive in football, as well.
After the program went 27-45 in 6 six year under Bunting, including 3-9 right before he was fired, Butch established a 28-23 record while there in only 4 years.
Although he went 4-8 in his first year, signs of improvement of the UNC team was already showing. Out of the 8 losses they had that year, 6 came with an avg. loss of a 7pts or less and two came against two top 15 classes. Remarkable in itself.
Under Bunting, UNC lost games by an avg. of 19 pts/game. Under Butch? 8pts per game. UNC biggest point differential losses came against top 25 opponents, but for the most part, they were only a TD away, on avg, from a win.
Let's talk about the crap Butch inherited, which makes the above stat so astounishing; UNC is a basketball school, so they didn't receive a lot of interest from high profiled football recruits. UNC, on avg, recruited the 41st ranked class in the nation. That's what Butch had to work with playing against the likes of VT, FSU, Miami, BC, and Clemson. Losing was apart of their culture. UNC football was always considered "step-brother" to UNC basketball, both men and women.
In 2010, he lost 13 players, 3 of which were his best players in Little, Quinn, and Austin, and still went 8-5 including a bowl victory and the team still lost by only an avg of 9 pts (3 of the games were 3pts or less and two blow outs coming at the hands of us, when we were ranked in the top 25, and VT who was ranked in the top 20)
When Butch got there, in only his 3rd year there, he was able to obtain of a top 10 recruiting class at UNC...the first in it's history since RIVALS began ranking classes in 2002.
Let's discuss other accomplishments by Mr. Davis while he was at UNC....
-he beat a ranked opponent in 2008 for the first time in the last 11 years at UNC
-first time in school history he had UNC ranked in the BCS bowl consideration
-coached them to their first winning seaon since 2001 in only his second year
-coached them to back to back winning seasons for the first time in 11 years
-had a graduation rate of 75% during his tenure there, ranking him in the top 30 of coaches at public universities in the nation
-beat Miami 3 of the 4 yrs he was at UNC.
You see, what he did at UNC was nothing short of a miracle. UNC hadn't had a good coach since Mack Brown back in the mid-to-late 90's. Like at Miami, Butch inheritted a mess at UNC...the only difference is that Miami is known as a football school, playing in the hotbed of football recruiting. UNC is a basketball school, stationed in the hotbed of basketball recruiting, yet Butch made UNC into a respectable football school as well.
Trying to compare what he did at Miami, a school that had established itself as a dominant football power w/ 4 chips under it's belt to what he did at UNC, a school that has no tradition in football, is a true disservice. That's literally comparing apples to oranges. What he did at Miami w/ 31 lost scholarships was special, unique...but Miami was still a sleeping football giant. What he did at UNC was amazing. They had no football identity what-so-ever, and had a 38% winning pct before he got there!
Again, this is why Butch is the MAN for the job. Miami is nothing less than a sleeping Giant. Let the "program-whisperer" come back to awaken us. It's an obvious choice.
P.S-For those who say he's too "old" as a means to make an argument against the hire....here's some names to think about:
Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Nick Saban, John Fox, Les Miles, and David Cutcliff (all are 60+ in age, and all are kicking the crap out of the younger coaches on the NFL and NCAA level)
Butch came on board in 2007. He took over a UNC program that went 27-45 under John Bunting. He took over a program that had one winning season in the last 6 years. Sure UNC has produced great players like Julius Peppers, Dre Bly, and the great Lawrence Taylor, but let's be honest, everyone knows when you think of UNC, you think Dean Smith, Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Roy Williams and the basketball program.
In fairness, UNC is through and through a b-ball school, yet Butch took over a program and actually made them competitive in football, as well.
After the program went 27-45 in 6 six year under Bunting, including 3-9 right before he was fired, Butch established a 28-23 record while there in only 4 years.
Although he went 4-8 in his first year, signs of improvement of the UNC team was already showing. Out of the 8 losses they had that year, 6 came with an avg. loss of a 7pts or less and two came against two top 15 classes. Remarkable in itself.
Under Bunting, UNC lost games by an avg. of 19 pts/game. Under Butch? 8pts per game. UNC biggest point differential losses came against top 25 opponents, but for the most part, they were only a TD away, on avg, from a win.
Let's talk about the crap Butch inherited, which makes the above stat so astounishing; UNC is a basketball school, so they didn't receive a lot of interest from high profiled football recruits. UNC, on avg, recruited the 41st ranked class in the nation. That's what Butch had to work with playing against the likes of VT, FSU, Miami, BC, and Clemson. Losing was apart of their culture. UNC football was always considered "step-brother" to UNC basketball, both men and women.
In 2010, he lost 13 players, 3 of which were his best players in Little, Quinn, and Austin, and still went 8-5 including a bowl victory and the team still lost by only an avg of 9 pts (3 of the games were 3pts or less and two blow outs coming at the hands of us, when we were ranked in the top 25, and VT who was ranked in the top 20)
When Butch got there, in only his 3rd year there, he was able to obtain of a top 10 recruiting class at UNC...the first in it's history since RIVALS began ranking classes in 2002.
Let's discuss other accomplishments by Mr. Davis while he was at UNC....
-he beat a ranked opponent in 2008 for the first time in the last 11 years at UNC
-first time in school history he had UNC ranked in the BCS bowl consideration
-coached them to their first winning seaon since 2001 in only his second year
-coached them to back to back winning seasons for the first time in 11 years
-had a graduation rate of 75% during his tenure there, ranking him in the top 30 of coaches at public universities in the nation
-beat Miami 3 of the 4 yrs he was at UNC.
You see, what he did at UNC was nothing short of a miracle. UNC hadn't had a good coach since Mack Brown back in the mid-to-late 90's. Like at Miami, Butch inheritted a mess at UNC...the only difference is that Miami is known as a football school, playing in the hotbed of football recruiting. UNC is a basketball school, stationed in the hotbed of basketball recruiting, yet Butch made UNC into a respectable football school as well.
Trying to compare what he did at Miami, a school that had established itself as a dominant football power w/ 4 chips under it's belt to what he did at UNC, a school that has no tradition in football, is a true disservice. That's literally comparing apples to oranges. What he did at Miami w/ 31 lost scholarships was special, unique...but Miami was still a sleeping football giant. What he did at UNC was amazing. They had no football identity what-so-ever, and had a 38% winning pct before he got there!
Again, this is why Butch is the MAN for the job. Miami is nothing less than a sleeping Giant. Let the "program-whisperer" come back to awaken us. It's an obvious choice.
P.S-For those who say he's too "old" as a means to make an argument against the hire....here's some names to think about:
Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Nick Saban, John Fox, Les Miles, and David Cutcliff (all are 60+ in age, and all are kicking the crap out of the younger coaches on the NFL and NCAA level)
