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NC_Canes_11 said:
And if he leaves it’s bc he isn’t confident enough in himself, or the coaches don’t believe it. So it’s not a big a loss as you think it is. There’s a reason so many lineman are being brought in.
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I don't think its a confidence issue as much as playing time. JHH is not an every down DT, and with the new tranfers his role would probably just play to his strength as a situational pass rush DT. That would be a loss for us, but understandable on his part if he finds a program where he can play every down. However, if he's going to make it in the NFL, it will be as a situational player anyway, so he should just concentrate on doing that at a high level.
 
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bobbydigius said:
Agreed, another player that showed potential and was instantly overrated by us. He has the potential and time to turn into a player but he ain’t there yet.
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See the trend. They show some potential and instantly we expect them to turn into all Americans. So is anyone surprised when within a season we simply call them a bust and say we're better off with the next man up. Vicious cycle
 
dk72 said:
I don't think its a confidence issue as much as playing time. JHH is not an every down DT, and with the new tranfers his role would probably just play to his strength as a situational pass rush DT. That would be a loss for us, but understandable on his part if he finds a program where he can play every down. However, if he's going to make it in the NFL, it will be as a situational player anyway, so he should just concentrate on doing that at a high level.
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I’m not saying it isn’t a loss. I’ve been saying for 2 years he would be our best DT. I was expecting him to take that next step, both technique and endurance wise. That never happened. If anybody should be upset, it’s me. Fortunately I’ve seen the light.

So IMO claiming it is a *big* loss, is nothing more than a guess and a hope that he would finally flip the switch. It’s time to get out of the 1 year away mindset this program has been in for 2 decades. If you can’t get it done, you’re gonna get replaced.
 
sedlst11 said:
I can ask why that is a concern? Real question not trying to be a smart ***. Malik had his limitations obviously, but from the outside in he was a true cane and looked like he worked his butt off. Can he not teach him coverages and certain reads within our offense? Can he not teach him footwork and things like that? Like I said honest question, not trying to be a smart *** what so ever.
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I had a similar question. Yes, Malik sucked as a QB. But that doesn't mean he can't help teach the position and do it well. Many QB coaches were not great, or even good, QBs. Ponce is well regarded as QB coach, and he was a low end QB at Arizona Western.
 
MovingZen said:
JHH stats might be inflated for 2020 because he played on a line with two NFL guys. When they left, JHH had to fend for himself and didn't do so well. Don't we call that the 'bama effect'? Where average guys look way better because they're surrounded by elite players. He should stay and take advantage of having highly skilled guys on the line with him again.
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I just Don’t think that’s a fare assessment to Jhh then because that was the worst de play we have had in the last 6 years at least. Mccloud was our best De let that sink In
 
dk72 said:
I don't think its a confidence issue as much as playing time. JHH is not an every down DT, and with the new tranfers his role would probably just play to his strength as a situational pass rush DT. That would be a loss for us, but understandable on his part if he finds a program where he can play every down. However, if he's going to make it in the NFL, it will be as a situational player anyway, so he should just concentrate on doing that at a high level.
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Is he a pass rushing DT?
 
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Brooklyndee said:
MALIK HIMSELF
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Understood and thank you. Besides obviously letting Ponce do his thing, your issue with the private coaching is how Malik played at the position then?
Legit curious, I dont know the inner workings of what goes on in these private trainings. As well as throughout my lifetime a lot of the “good” coaches were mediocre or average players who worked hard on fundamentals even if it didn’t translate on the field but helps in coaching.
Not saying thats the case with Malik or others. But was curious if you have seen anything in that aspect of coaching that you question as well
 
252cane said:
Is he a pass rushing DT?
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That's been where he has flashed thus far. Again, not saying it would be a devastating loss, but unlike what some seem to be implying, he does have talent and value as a role player. Question is whether he is willing to accept that or if he moves on.
 
Fzac75 said:
Understood and thank you. Besides obviously letting Ponce do his thing, your issue with the private coaching is how Malik played at the position then?
Legit curious, I dont know the inner workings of what goes on in these private trainings. As well as throughout my lifetime a lot of the “good” coaches were mediocre or average players who worked hard on fundamentals even if it didn’t translate on the field but helps in coaching.
Not saying thats the case with Malik or others. But was curious if you have seen anything in that aspect of coaching that you question as well
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Exactly. Ponce probably would never have even been taken as a walk on QB at Miami, but he's a good QB coach. So Malik may or may not be good at coaching the position, but sucking as a player isn't a basis for making that determination.
 
Brooklyndee said:
So real answer than. Malik Rosier is the worst starting QB here ever (in the last 40 years atleast)besides Kirby freeman. I don't care about his fake stats that seems to fool our wise fanbase just like I don't care about Mike Harleys fake stats... Facts are facts. Why do you want a kid who can't walk in the same path teaching a kid who has tons of potential ANYTHING. I don't want Tyler taking on any more bad habits than he already has since that's enough for Ponce to have to correct as is.
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Thanks. Wasn’t even concerned with Malik stats, I know he didn’t have much competition while he was here and why he was the starter. He wouldn’t touch being the starting Qb here if he had competition, but he always seem to put in the proper work, just sucked at throwing the ball. Which obviously is the biggest key to being a Qb.
 
Brooklyndee said:
If you guys really wanted something to be concerned about you should look at who or staying quarterback has chose to workout with throughout the off season. Yup that's Malik rosier... He's helping coach up a hiesman contender & our starting QB(FML)
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Dumb post. How does working with Malik hurt TVD? You do know Malik was helping Bommarito's train top QBs last for their draft prep? I didn't see them post FML. Rosier didn't have the arm talent but the coaches never questioned his work ethic or knowledge of the game. Rosier had the intangibles but lacked the most important tangible thing a QB can have, talent.
 
brock said:
I dont Care tbh respectfully and rather not know, I’m just saying the obvious … rosier worked with tvd last year which is facts. So why would he stop since it didn’t seem to hurt in 2021? Malik also was at uga for a bit the past few years so I don’t see what’s so bad about it. I get It we want continued development from ponce tvd but looking at extra film and getting tips from anybody can’t hurt
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UGA the poster boy for amazing QB play

#trumpycanethoughts
 
dk72 said:
That's been where he has flashed thus far. Again, not saying it would be a devastating loss, but unlike what some seem to be implying, he does have talent and value as a role player. Question is whether he is willing to accept that or if he moves on.
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I haven’t seen the pass rush
 
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Brooklyndee said:
MALIK HIMSELF
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Malik had a noodle arm, his decision making and IQ were solid overall. Sure I'd prefer Peyton Manning to coach em up but i dont see this as a bad thing

And frankly, Malik had the QB swag/confidence and was never scared of the moment. Insert Miami vs. FSU Rosier to Langham vid where Malik told the FSU crowd to get loud and then shut them up for the W. IF any of that rubs off, the better. He was more clutch than Kayaa despite having half the talent, sadly.
 
252cane said:
I haven’t seen the pass rush
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2 sacks in 9 games as a DT on a weak line last year is not bad, plus got in the backfield quite a bit to pressure the QB. The year before in even more limited playing time, but when we actually had effective DEs, he had 3 sacks.


We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
 
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