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CaneinBroward said:
I agree with just about all of what you wrote. My only difference would be I think the TV market idea you mentioned is a bit more nuanced. A TV market can be large, but if the TVs aren't watching, does it even matter? The ACC already has the entire eastern seaboard represented from Boston to Miami. This includes New York, PA, Washington DC area, Atlanta, etc. Yet, they don't have nearly the viewership of the SEC or Big 10 as shown by the value of their TV deal.

With all due respect, and it has nothing to do with being scared of UCF or USF, do those schools bring enough viewership to increase the value of the payout for the conference as a whole? And I don't mean, just in the Orlando and Tampa areas. Does Jim Bob in Arkansas watch a UCF game or a Miami game if they are on at the same time? Do UCF and USF get massively more ratings over FSU, Miami, or Florida games that are on at the same time in Tampa and Orlando? I don't know, but it would be interesting to find out.

For the ACC to improve its payout, any additions need to add more value to the conference as a whole. It needs to be a big splash and I'm sorry I don't think UCF, USF, or a WV do that on their own.

As much as I don't like the SEC, I have to tip my hat to them. When they bring in schools, they pick the biggest or 2nd biggest school in states that love college football, not a directional school or a "city" school. Mizzou is "the" college in Missouri and brings in KC and St. Louis, aTm is the 2nd biggest school in Texas. Now they are bringing in the flagship schools of Texas and Oklahoma.

The ACC went the route of expanding based on "TV market" size only and not really looking at the viewership of those schools or their fans' love of college football. BC, Syracuse, and Pitt all bring in huge TV markets, but college football is not a huge priority in New York state and New England. Pitt is a DISTANT 2nd in popularity to Penn State. Louisville was just the best option available when Maryland jumped to the Big 10.

Actually Louisville kind of reminds me of UCF. They had a magical string of years from Bridgewater through Lamar Jackson like UCF did in the mid-late '10's. It will be interesting to see how UCF responds to moving into the Big XII. Will they maintain their run or become a middle of the road team like Louisville has recently (although Louisville may be in for a resurgence with their QB)?
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Good points, and logical in their presentation...........how to add value is the question, not the team locations necessarily as exposure is the key...
Why the **** did the ACC form their channel lineup without having Comcast in bed and projecting Cane and ACC teams up and down the Eastern seaboard?.
Lousy planning, and short sightedness on planners.
It seems we are always late to the party, and then looking around to find where the free bar is located, but ends up at the Cash bar instead....SEC is partying with $$$$'s and we at the ACC are walking around scratching our head trying to figure out how they do it!!.
 
I’m seeing a lot of short sighted thoughts here. Lol.

Once upon a time Miami was Independent; so yes, it was literally us vs. the world. Then we came to be a founding member of The Big East Football Conference.

Now we’re in the ACC, probably the biggest rival to the SEC due to proximity. U guys tired of losing blue chip recruits to this bum *** conference? We need better production from our conference. U want better production from networks? Give them better production. Want more moolah? Give them better production.

We need at least 3 teams in our conference to be good or in contention every yr, & a strong must see rivalry. Yeah I’m all about that “Fck The ACC” mentality, but an enemy of my enemy is an ally for a purpose; right now, The SEC is our enemy. They r dominating recruiting, draft narratives, revenue, storylines, media. Fcccccck that; even w/ Clemson doing its thing, b/c there’s really no other teams stepping up, it’s not a big exposure.
 
Rellyrell said:
I had an interesting, random convo w/ a UGA Bull Dog fan. Of course we talked about expectations, team’s future, etc. He was actually a more level headed fan, giving compliments to us & mentioned how Bama not having their playmakers helped them immensely.

We shifted gears, & I highlighted how the S-E-C chant is a bit unusual, b/c as Canes, it’s us v. everyone. He stated UGA has that attitude as well; that in fact, he hates all SEC teams & it can become contentious at games. However, & this is what caught my attention, he said being a dominant Conference is just good for business. The monies that flow in b/c Bama may win a Nat’l Title in Football, UK wins a nat’l title in basketball, Florida wins a nat’l title in track, Miss St wins a nat’l title in baseball, that’s just good for business. He mentioned how much $$ they’ve been flushed w/ as a conference from TV deals, endorsement deals, etc b/c their conference has become must see in all sports.

He then joked, when he sees other fan sites say “$EC”, that’s a compliment b/c they are making “$$.”

This convo had me thinking about the ACC; currently we’re the lowest paid P5 conference regarding TV revenue. I’ve said b4, but it behooves us to get back to the top, but also have FSU come along w/ us. We were must-see TV for yrs. Right now, we don’t have real rivalry games in FB. In b-ball, it’s Duke v. UNC, but that’s about it. Our baseball squads just bellied up in the tourney (except ND), & we were no where to be found in T&F.

I get that it’s us v. The World, but in this $$ landscape, we need the ACC to become good to elite so we can all prosper, imo.

Thoughts?
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Yes the ACC is far behind the big 10 and SEC when comes to $$. That’s why those two are the cream of the crop when it comes to CFB. Clemson has kept ACC football relevant
 
Rellyrell said:
I’m seeing a lot of short sighted thoughts here. Lol.

Once upon a time Miami was Independent; so yes, it was literally us vs. the world. Then we came to be a founding member of The Big East Football Conference.

Now we’re in the ACC, probably the biggest rival to the SEC due to proximity. U guys tired of losing blue chip recruits to this bum *** conference? We need better production from our conference. U want better production from networks? Give them better production. Want more moolah? Give them better production.

We need at least 3 teams in our conference to be good or in contention every yr, & a strong must see rivalry. Yeah I’m all about that “Fck The ACC” mentality, but an enemy of my enemy is an ally for a purpose; right now, The SEC is our enemy. They r dominating recruiting, draft narratives, revenue, storylines, media. Fcccccck that; even w/ Clemson doing its thing, b/c there’s really no other teams stepping up, it’s not a big exposure.
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Miami, Clemson, UNC, & maybe Pitt are the only teams pulling in the talent to carry the conference I feel
 
Rellyrell said:
I had an interesting, random convo w/ a UGA Bull Dog fan. Of course we talked about expectations, team’s future, etc. He was actually a more level headed fan, giving compliments to us & mentioned how Bama not having their playmakers helped them immensely.

We shifted gears, & I highlighted how the S-E-C chant is a bit unusual, b/c as Canes, it’s us v. everyone. He stated UGA has that attitude as well; that in fact, he hates all SEC teams & it can become contentious at games. However, & this is what caught my attention, he said being a dominant Conference is just good for business. The monies that flow in b/c Bama may win a Nat’l Title in Football, UK wins a nat’l title in basketball, Florida wins a nat’l title in track, Miss St wins a nat’l title in baseball, that’s just good for business. He mentioned how much $$ they’ve been flushed w/ as a conference from TV deals, endorsement deals, etc b/c their conference has become must see in all sports.

He then joked, when he sees other fan sites say “$EC”, that’s a compliment b/c they are making “$$.”

This convo had me thinking about the ACC; currently we’re the lowest paid P5 conference regarding TV revenue. I’ve said b4, but it behooves us to get back to the top, but also have FSU come along w/ us. We were must-see TV for yrs. Right now, we don’t have real rivalry games in FB. In b-ball, it’s Duke v. UNC, but that’s about it. Our baseball squads just bellied up in the tourney (except ND), & we were no where to be found in T&F.

I get that it’s us v. The World, but in this $$ landscape, we need the ACC to become good to elite so we can all prosper, imo.

Thoughts?
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Ok I’m with you

But does it have to be FSU? :(
 
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CaneinBroward said:
I agree with just about all of what you wrote. My only difference would be I think the TV market idea you mentioned is a bit more nuanced. A TV market can be large, but if the TVs aren't watching, does it even matter? The ACC already has the entire eastern seaboard represented from Boston to Miami. This includes New York, PA, Washington DC area, Atlanta, etc. Yet, they don't have nearly the viewership of the SEC or Big 10 as shown by the value of their TV deal.

With all due respect, and it has nothing to do with being scared of UCF or USF, do those schools bring enough viewership to increase the value of the payout for the conference as a whole? And I don't mean, just in the Orlando and Tampa areas. Does Jim Bob in Arkansas watch a UCF game or a Miami game if they are on at the same time? Do UCF and USF get massively more ratings over FSU, Miami, or Florida games that are on at the same time in Tampa and Orlando? I don't know, but it would be interesting to find out.

For the ACC to improve its payout, any additions need to add more value to the conference as a whole. It needs to be a big splash and I'm sorry I don't think UCF, USF, or a WV do that on their own.

As much as I don't like the SEC, I have to tip my hat to them. When they bring in schools, they pick the biggest or 2nd biggest school in states that love college football, not a directional school or a "city" school. Mizzou is "the" college in Missouri and brings in KC and St. Louis, aTm is the 2nd biggest school in Texas. Now they are bringing in the flagship schools of Texas and Oklahoma.

The ACC went the route of expanding based on "TV market" size only and not really looking at the viewership of those schools or their fans' love of college football. BC, Syracuse, and Pitt all bring in huge TV markets, but college football is not a huge priority in New York state and New England. Pitt is a DISTANT 2nd in popularity to Penn State. Louisville was just the best option available when Maryland jumped to the Big 10.

Actually Louisville kind of reminds me of UCF. They had a magical string of years from Bridgewater through Lamar Jackson like UCF did in the mid-late '10's. It will be interesting to see how UCF responds to moving into the Big XII. Will they maintain their run or become a middle of the road team like Louisville has recently (although Louisville may be in for a resurgence with their QB)?
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Look, I've addressed this before.

"Representation" does not deliver TV viewership. I could give a FVVVVVCK if we "represent" Boston and NYC if nobody ******* watches there. I had fights with the New York Department of Revenue when they wanted NASCAR to increase the sales apportionment factor in NY, and we had to explain to them that NY was the WORST stock car viewing market in the Top 50 TV markets.

More importantly, this argument about the "current" status of UCF and USF is the same fvcktarded nonsense that has been going on since the dawn of time. Tampa and Orlando are two of the Top 20 TV markets. UCF and USF are two of the 10 largest universities in the country, by number of students. More students equals more alums. More alums equal more viewers. As both schools play better competition, the ratings and attendance have increased, and will continue to do so as they join the P5. USF is about to build an on-campus stadium. UCF is about to expand its on-campus stadium. And Florida, generally, is a football-crazy state, probably the second-craziest football state (behind Texas). The demographics and ratings for UCF and USF have been rapidly changing and will continue to improve.

As for the defective logic about what games are preferred by "JimBob in Arkansas", well, FVCK JimBob in Arkansas. The TV viewers are in Florida. The money is in Florida. Fvck Arkansas.

It's so simple, once you schedule a few years of games with UCF and USF, the interest in those games will rise. OF COURSE there is not as much interest for a team WHILE it's a G5 team. But if, tomorrow, the SEC gave invitations to UCF and USF, it would only be a matter of a few years before a lot of people would be more interested in UCF and USF games than a lot of other P5 games. That's just competitive reality. ****, if the SEC invited FIU and FAU tomorrow, those two schools would be mid-pack P5 members within a decade.

If you doubt the fan support and TV viewership for UCF and USF in Orlando and Tampa, you are clearly not paying attention. Someone who disregards the upward trends of those two schools is stuck in the past, using generalizations that are no longer relevant.

By no means am I "cheerleading" for UCF and USF. Much of what those schools do is annoying. But I cannot deny their size, I cannot deny that those schools would be significant financial additions to ANY conference. Anyone who thinks that UCF in Orlando and USF in Tampa are comparable to BC in Boston or Syracuse in New York as far as TV markets and fan support...really doesn't know what in the **** is happening.

Finally, this is a chess game. For decades, the SWC/Big 12 ruled Texas. But now that the SEC has added Texas and aTm, you could put EVERY OTHER Texas team into the Big 12, and the SEC would still be the more popular conference in Texas. The best way to beat Florida and the SEC in Florida would be to turn Florida into the southernmost version of Tobacco Road in the ACC. If you put UM, F$U, UCF, and USF into the ACC together, our conference would DOMINATE the TV times, the media coverage, and the general popularity among ALL Floridians (including kids from ages 7-17).

And, again, getting back to the ORIGINAL point, adding UCF and USF would absolutely, positively allow us to renegotiate our TV deal with the addition of 2 major Top 20 media markets. And if you honestly believe that Miami and/or F$U are "delivering" Tampa and Orlando WITHOUT adding UCF and USF, well, I have some bad news for you.
 
Rellyrell said:
I had an interesting, random convo w/ a UGA Bull Dog fan. Of course we talked about expectations, team’s future, etc. He was actually a more level headed fan, giving compliments to us & mentioned how Bama not having their playmakers helped them immensely.

We shifted gears, & I highlighted how the S-E-C chant is a bit unusual, b/c as Canes, it’s us v. everyone. He stated UGA has that attitude as well; that in fact, he hates all SEC teams & it can become contentious at games. However, & this is what caught my attention, he said being a dominant Conference is just good for business. The monies that flow in b/c Bama may win a Nat’l Title in Football, UK wins a nat’l title in basketball, Florida wins a nat’l title in track, Miss St wins a nat’l title in baseball, that’s just good for business. He mentioned how much $$ they’ve been flushed w/ as a conference from TV deals, endorsement deals, etc b/c their conference has become must see in all sports.

He then joked, when he sees other fan sites say “$EC”, that’s a compliment b/c they are making “$$.”

This convo had me thinking about the ACC; currently we’re the lowest paid P5 conference regarding TV revenue. I’ve said b4, but it behooves us to get back to the top, but also have FSU come along w/ us. We were must-see TV for yrs. Right now, we don’t have real rivalry games in FB. In b-ball, it’s Duke v. UNC, but that’s about it. Our baseball squads just bellied up in the tourney (except ND), & we were no where to be found in T&F.

I get that it’s us v. The World, but in this $$ landscape, we need the ACC to become good to elite so we can all prosper, imo.

Thoughts?
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Did you use small words and speak slowly?

Bless you for doing the Lord's work.

Agree with him though. Winning should = more winning should = more $$$$$.

I believe its the public basis for Miami's ducats spree. "We aren't spending, we are investing in the brand and program and expect to see a return on that investment..."
 
Sec chants are lame no matter which way they spin it (just because I think it’s lame doesn’t mean i don’t understand it and they’re right to do it) the acc 100% needs to improve though but I think the only way it does so is if Miami leads the charge. The acc dulls our shine not the other way around. It would be nice is fsu joined the party as well no matter what anyone says. A good fsu team brings out the best in Miami. Overall improve in the conference is needed in all sports from top to bottom
 
I would rather the championship of whatever go to an ACC school than some other conference.

As the fortunes of our conference opponents rise, so will ours.

The problem the ACC has is that many of the schools don't have the alumni base of the other conferences. That means they don't have the funding and that's nothing new.

Ever wonder why the basketball portion of the ACC does so well? One component is the potential viewers would rather watch basketball than football. Then there's the monetary component as a dollar put towards basketball goes a lot further than it does for football.

T&F, the conference is rather poor there as well. In particular on the men's side. ****, the best T&F team in the conference area is NC A&T. Baseball, seems good and then the postseason starts and the upsets begin.

All of it starts with funding. It's an arms race, we lagging behind as a whole. Teams need to get better and more will tune in and the money will go up. The reason why there's one ACC game on our channel compared to multiple on the other networks is demand.
 
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SouthParkCane said:
Sec chants are lame no matter which way they spin it (just because I think it’s lame doesn’t mean i don’t understand it and they’re right to do it) the acc 100% needs to improve though but I think the only way it does so is if Miami leads the charge. The acc dulls our shine not the other way around. It would be nice is fsu joined the party as well no matter what anyone says. A good fsu team brings out the best in Miami. Overall improve in the conference is needed in all sports from top to bottom
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Agreed; the chant is lame, but that same chant has garnished them a lot of recognition & publicity. No way we need to go that route, but it was just an interesting concept of “good for business.” I told a poster on here seeing UF sweep the Outdoor National Championship w/ both men & women made me sick. Seeing the SEC dominate college baseball made me sick. Seeing them dominate CFB makes me sick, & now they r making noise in CBB w/ UK, Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas & UTK.

We need more out of the conference if this is going to be our home, simply b/c it’s bad for business being a laughing stock CFB conference, Baseball has been abysmal for the past several yrs, CBB has practically been Duke & UNC only (although Miami crashed the party this yr), T&F has been non existent. Tired of our games being on 2ndary channels & streaming services.
 
Rellyrell said:
I’m seeing a lot of short sighted thoughts here. Lol.

Once upon a time Miami was Independent; so yes, it was literally us vs. the world. Then we came to be a founding member of The Big East Football Conference.

Now we’re in the ACC, probably the biggest rival to the SEC due to proximity. U guys tired of losing blue chip recruits to this bum *** conference? We need better production from our conference. U want better production from networks? Give them better production. Want more moolah? Give them better production.

We need at least 3 teams in our conference to be good or in contention every yr, & a strong must see rivalry. Yeah I’m all about that “Fck The ACC” mentality, but an enemy of my enemy is an ally for a purpose; right now, The SEC is our enemy. They r dominating recruiting, draft narratives, revenue, storylines, media. Fcccccck that; even w/ Clemson doing its thing, b/c there’s really no other teams stepping up, it’s not a big exposure.
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You gotta remember, a large portion of our fanbase can only see with Orange & Green glasses on...

Asking them to look at something objectively is pretty much a waste of time lol
 
Rellyrell said:
I’m seeing a lot of short sighted thoughts here. Lol.

Once upon a time Miami was Independent; so yes, it was literally us vs. the world. Then we came to be a founding member of The Big East Football Conference.

Now we’re in the ACC, probably the biggest rival to the SEC due to proximity. U guys tired of losing blue chip recruits to this bum *** conference? We need better production from our conference. U want better production from networks? Give them better production. Want more moolah? Give them better production.

We need at least 3 teams in our conference to be good or in contention every yr, & a strong must see rivalry. Yeah I’m all about that “Fck The ACC” mentality, but an enemy of my enemy is an ally for a purpose; right now, The SEC is our enemy. They r dominating recruiting, draft narratives, revenue, storylines, media. Fcccccck that; even w/ Clemson doing its thing, b/c there’s really no other teams stepping up, it’s not a big exposure.
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^^^ This.

Do fans remember how bad the Big East was? Did we like beating up Temple, Rutgers, and usually bad Cuse, WVA, and BC? Did we like VT as the only alleged conference rival?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Look, I've addressed this before.

"Representation" does not deliver TV viewership. I could give a FVVVVVCK if we "represent" Boston and NYC if nobody ******* watches there. I had fights with the New York Department of Revenue when they wanted NASCAR to increase the sales apportionment factor in NY, and we had to explain to them that NY was the WORST stock car viewing market in the Top 50 TV markets.

More importantly, this argument about the "current" status of UCF and USF is the same fvcktarded nonsense that has been going on since the dawn of time. Tampa and Orlando are two of the Top 20 TV markets. UCF and USF are two of the 10 largest universities in the country, by number of students. More students equals more alums. More alums equal more viewers. As both schools play better competition, the ratings and attendance have increased, and will continue to do so as they join the P5. USF is about to build an on-campus stadium. UCF is about to expand its on-campus stadium. And Florida, generally, is a football-crazy state, probably the second-craziest football state (behind Texas). The demographics and ratings for UCF and USF have been rapidly changing and will continue to improve.

As for the defective logic about what games are preferred by "JimBob in Arkansas", well, FVCK JimBob in Arkansas. The TV viewers are in Florida. The money is in Florida. Fvck Arkansas.

It's so simple, once you schedule a few years of games with UCF and USF, the interest in those games will rise. OF COURSE there is not as much interest for a team WHILE it's a G5 team. But if, tomorrow, the SEC gave invitations to UCF and USF, it would only be a matter of a few years before a lot of people would be more interested in UCF and USF games than a lot of other P5 games. That's just competitive reality. ****, if the SEC invited FIU and FAU tomorrow, those two schools would be mid-pack P5 members within a decade.

If you doubt the fan support and TV viewership for UCF and USF in Orlando and Tampa, you are clearly not paying attention. Someone who disregards the upward trends of those two schools is stuck in the past, using generalizations that are no longer relevant.

By no means am I "cheerleading" for UCF and USF. Much of what those schools do is annoying. But I cannot deny their size, I cannot deny that those schools would be significant financial additions to ANY conference. Anyone who thinks that UCF in Orlando and USF in Tampa are comparable to BC in Boston or Syracuse in New York as far as TV markets and fan support...really doesn't know what in the **** is happening.

Finally, this is a chess game. For decades, the SWC/Big 12 ruled Texas. But now that the SEC has added Texas and aTm, you could put EVERY OTHER Texas team into the Big 12, and the SEC would still be the more popular conference in Texas. The best way to beat Florida and the SEC in Florida would be to turn Florida into the southernmost version of Tobacco Road in the ACC. If you put UM, F$U, UCF, and USF into the ACC together, our conference would DOMINATE the TV times, the media coverage, and the general popularity among ALL Floridians (including kids from ages 7-17).

And, again, getting back to the ORIGINAL point, adding UCF and USF would absolutely, positively allow us to renegotiate our TV deal with the addition of 2 major Top 20 media markets. And if you honestly believe that Miami and/or F$U are "delivering" Tampa and Orlando WITHOUT adding UCF and USF, well, I have some bad news for you.
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How are you not cheerleading for UCF and USF? Anyone who disagrees with you that UCF and USF are not the hidden cash cows of college football is "fvcktarded"? Well, gee that would be all of the P5 until Texas and Oklahoma decided to jump ship to the SEC and only then did UCF make the cut. Now, you are saying the ACC should add BOTH to the conference? I'm sorry, I just don't see that moving the needle with TV negotiations.

I tried to look online to see the TV ratings in Orlando when UCF games go against Miami, FSU, or Florida games at the same time and the same with USF in Tampa. I would be shocked if UCF or USF get twice the ratings head to head against a game with the Big 3, but I'm open-minded enough to look at the numbers (I tried to look it up online, but couldn't find it).

If the ACC is to expand, they would want to bring someone who will dramatically increase the TV share per school. Maybe you are right and UCF will dramatically increase the per team TV revenue split in the Big XII. We'll see pretty soon because the Big XII's TV contract is up for renewal in 2025. With Texas and Oklahoma leaving and being replaced by 4 teams, will the Big XII's new TV contract increase the per team split? I doubt it, but I could be wrong.

Plus, call it defective logic, but national TV ratings are what national companies are looking for to advertise their products. The biggest games are broadcast nationally and they will want a big national audience.

One could argue that the "Tobacco Road" strategy of having 4 teams in Florida would not work and you can use the state of Texas as your example. The SWC had 7 Texas schools and Arkansas and guess what? It broke up. The entire state of Texas, the hottest state for college football was totally covered by the SWC and it couldn't make a deal sweet enough to keep Arkansas in the conference and when they left, instead of being strong enough to pull in a replacement for Arkansas, they folded and the best 4 Texas schools joined the Big 8 which turned into the Big XII. The Big XII had 4, then 5 Texas schools and that wasn't enough to keep Texas' top 2 schools from jumping ship to the SEC in a little over 10 years either.

I think you need to find that sweet spot of being regional, but not too local. Part of the ACC's problem is "Tobacco Road". Too many teams in NC. In most states, if you get one of or both of the top 2 public universities in your conference, you have effectively nailed down the state in the eyes of TV networks. The other problem the ACC has is the public schools that it does have are not the 85k+ seat behemoths that occupy much of the Big 10 and SEC (aside from Clemson and FSU - when they are winning). NC and Virginia just don't seem to have that rabid college football fanbase found in other parts of the South and the Midwest. Even GT is miniscule next to UGA and they are a state school as well.
 
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