Latest on QB Torrance Gibson.....

[niner]

It's a catch 22. We run an offense that prepares you more for the NFL and pro-style play than tOSU*/Tennessee/Auburn do--that should be appealing to those kids who are ****-bent on playing QB and eventually want to go as a QB to the NFL. However, those read-option no-huddle offenses (in this era of CFB), tend to maximize athletic dual-threat QB's with undeveloped true pro-style QB skills...and they do win on the college level, no doubt.

My main thing is that Gibson doesn't get it. All he's doing is postponing the inevitable. He'll either have to learn and take some lumps as a pro-style QB in college, and thus, be more NFL ready...or, he'll go to an offense that fits him as-is right now, ball out, and then have NFL teams questioning whether to take him in the first round at all due to him not being a pro-ready QB. You know why Bortles was the first QB taken in the 2014 Draft? Because UCF has a more pro-style offense where he played some under center, as opposed to Manziel being almost exclusively in the gun. Gibson needs to quit thinking short-term, and start thinking about the future.

If he's as talented as he thinks he is, he should be focused on using that talent and developing his whole skill set--not just utilizing the ones that are his strengths right now. Kaaya realizes that, and Gibson apparently doesn't...which is why at this juncture, I prefer having Kaaya.

Speaking of Kaaya, Gibson had this to say to CaneSport (pay attention to the underlined portion):

Might they change the offense for him if he wants to come?

"I don't know," Gibson said. "And they have a new QB, Brad Kaaya, he's pretty good. So I don't understand why they'd need another QB when they have him. I'm not afraid of competition, but that's a big question mark."

Uh...no, the big question mark is why would Gibson pooh-pooh tOSU* taking a QB in this class already, and then question why Miami would need him as a QB when they have Kaaya? Answer: he wants a spread offense, he wants the job to be his day 1, and he doesn't want to work on pro-style concepts to get himself ready for the league (like Kaaya will be). And he can say he's not afraid of competition, but that comment alone speaks volumes that he indeed IS afraid of competing for the QB job in a pro-style offense.

That comment about Kaaya reads like Gibson knows wus up. Pretty good as in he won't play because Kaaya will be the man, and we won't "need" him, at QB at least.

 

[Coach Macho]

This is my last post on this site.

 

[DiegoCane]

I'm convinced most on here don't even watch our games.

 

[TriStarCane]

What he said:

I’d be committed there right now if they ran a spread offense that runs the zone-read. That’s the kind of offense that best fits me.

What he means:

I'd be committed there right now if they ran an offense that didn't want me to be a complete quarterback. I'm not interested in honing all of my skills to be a pro-style QB, I just want to run and gun from the spread.

I'll take Kaaya for the next 4 years and be ecstatic--at least he wants to develop all aspects of his game as a QB. Gibson may want to run that spread offense like Tennessee/Auburn/tOSU* will be running, but the most he will develop in a system like that (even with collegiate success) is Cam Newton, at worst Tim Tebow.

If he went to a school that would develop him as a true pro-style QB and rounded out his skill set, he'd be closer to a Colin Kaepernick. PRO TIP: Kaepernick's already played in a Super Bowl, Cam hasn't, and Tebow's out of the facking league calling games for the $EC Network...and when it comes to development, collegiate success be damned.

For all the 'Miami prepares you to be a good pro QB' talk, how many Miami QB's have done anything in the pros? Testeverde, Kosar, and Kelly? All those guys last played at Miami 30 years ago.

Also, I have to question how much NFL football you watch. The spread offense is the dominant offense in the NFL right now. In fact, the top 5 offenses in the NFL all ran spread offenses. Even the pure pocket passers are in the gun 80% of the time, see Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc. The idea you guys have of offenses is supremely outdated.

Guys like Gruden, Harbaugh, etc. have stated repeatedly that the pocket QB is going the way of the dinosaur. But what do they know? Defenses right now are way too fast and complex for a pocket QB to thrive on a consistent basis, UNLESS you have the mind of someone like a Manning or Brady. Even the 'pocket' guys like Luck and Rodgers run 4.6. The offenses at those schools will do nothing to hamper his development. That will be left up to his coach and his work ethic.

Well, one of those coaches is unemployed and depending on what Harbaugh you're talking about he either can't win a ship with his spread QB OR won a Super Bowl with his pocket QB. Look at the last 10 SB winners. The only one who is close to a spread option QB is Wilson, who depends on a ground and pound offense and a dominant defense. Pretty 'archaic' model. Flacco is a straight pocket QB. Eli Manningis a pocket QB. Rodgers might play from the gun a lot and has mobility, but is still a predominately pocket QB. Brees, Big Ben, Payton, Tom Brady...I don't see a spread option QB in there. They play a pro-style offense from the gun, which is not what this kid plays. You still make progressions, blocking changes, audibles, etc. You don't do that with the spread option as much. Until a spread QB wins at a high level consistenly, I'll stick with my Brad Kaaya model and you can take your Torrence Gibson. For every 1 spread QB that succeeds there are 19 that fail.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

It's funny that people disregard Meyer's offense as a "gimmick"...but if you look at Duke Johnson's 1st TD at UM, that same play was a staple at UF with Chris Rainey. And if you do your research on how Meyer developed that offense, you'd find that Meyer's offense was heavily influenced by the NFL game.

 

[maurice3p]

But none of Urban Myers offensive players panned out in the NFL. Percy is injury prone

 

[lauderdaleballer]

But none of Urban Myers offensive players panned out in the NFL. Percy is injury prone

This is false... Come on... The Pouncey's are good and Alex "nine lives" Smith is doing well too... Its kind of unfair to say his players aren't doing well when you consider his primary backs were only like 175 a piece soaking wet... His star qb struggled as a passer... Herbandez before his issue was a good tight end and Riley Cooper broke out last year... Outside of Harvin, who was the cant miss stud to play for Meyer? To be fair Meyer adjusted his offense to his players... Aside from Brantley all of his qbs put up good numbers and they all varied in style... Tebow and Smith was different from Omar Jacobs and Chris Leak... Meyer players have a good track record in the NFL... They aren't all hof but they are talented...

 

[Eastfan]

My main thing is that Gibson doesn't get it. All he's doing is postponing the inevitable. He'll either have to learn and take some lumps as a pro-style QB in college, and thus, be more NFL ready...or, he'll go to an offense that fits him as-is right now, ball out, and then have NFL teams questioning whether to take him in the first round at all due to him not being a pro-ready QB. You know why Bortles was the first QB taken in the 2014 Draft? Because UCF has a more pro-style offense where he played some under center, as opposed to Manziel being almost exclusively in the gun. Gibson needs to quit thinking short-term, and start thinking about the future.

If he's as talented as he thinks he is, he should be focused on using that talent and developing his whole skill set--not just utilizing the ones that are his strengths right now. Kaaya realizes that, and Gibson apparently doesn't...which is why at this juncture, I prefer having Kaaya.

Truth is Gibson gets it and you dont.

1. At a Pro style school he will not be a starter, he will be beaten out or worse never given a true shot to start as what they really want him for is to play WR. If he doesnt get on the field for at least 3 years as a starter he has no shot at the NFL or developing as a passer in college. At a Pro-style school he will never beat out a pro-style trained QB like Kaaya or McCarron....so your idea of him going to a pro-style school has no logic to it if he can never win the starting job in the first place.

What is the point of running a 4.4 and choosing an offense that doesnt allow you to use that ability when other schools are winning championships letting QBs use that ability?

2. Your Blake Borltes comment is useless also. He went ahead of Manziel because he is 6'5 230lbs and Manziel is 5'11 210lbs, make Manziel the same size as Bortles and lets see if you are willing to state Bortles still goes ahead of Manziel given Manziel's production.

3. Gibson is thinking about the future, you havent thought about how QBs of his style make it to the NFL, he has!

He is following the pattern laid down by QBs of his style before him who have made it to the NFL. Get in a spread offense that allows you the freedom to improvise as a passer and run when you wish. Like Manziel, Newton and RGIII.

Your idea of what he needs to do gets him the bench, a position change or a transfer.

 

[CANE1775]

I agree with Eastfan.

On another note though, why are our fans so infatuated with the notion of us preparing guys for the nfl? Who freaking cares as long as we win? I'd take Meyer's "lack" of nfl player development all day long if it meant winning 2 national titles in 4 years.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

I agree with Eastfan.

On another note though, why are our fans so infatuated with the notion of us preparing guys for the nfl? Who freaking cares as long as we win? I'd take Meyer's "lack" of nfl player development all day long if it meant winning 2 national titles in 4 years.

THIS! And Dennis Erickson's 1-Back was considered a spread offense at the time, all He did was win 2 NCs.

 

[wherrera8]

What he said:

I’d be committed there right now if they ran a spread offense that runs the zone-read. That’s the kind of offense that best fits me.

What he means:

I'd be committed there right now if they ran an offense that didn't want me to be a complete quarterback. I'm not interested in honing all of my skills to be a pro-style QB, I just want to run and gun from the spread.

I'll take Kaaya for the next 4 years and be ecstatic--at least he wants to develop all aspects of his game as a QB. Gibson may want to run that spread offense like Tennessee/Auburn/tOSU* will be running, but the most he will develop in a system like that (even with collegiate success) is Cam Newton, at worst Tim Tebow.

If he went to a school that would develop him as a true pro-style QB and rounded out his skill set, he'd be closer to a Colin Kaepernick. PRO TIP: Kaepernick's already played in a Super Bowl, Cam hasn't, and Tebow's out of the facking league calling games for the $EC Network...and when it comes to development, collegiate success be damned.

Man if he develops into a Cam Newton that's a success... Cam is a beast with no wideouts... Let's quit the BS about development... Our best pro qbs were Vinnie and Kosar... We can't say what we'll develop any qb into... We need to win... And let's not pretend Kaaya is a finished product... I believe accuracy is something he needs to work on as well... Like this kid he is a great talent that needs to be develop...

Personally, I think TG needs to develop more as a passer but that's what these coaches are paid for... They need to take them and mold him into a successful qb... I have seen this staff take lesser talented qbs so there's no excuse regarding this kid... That being said, your development line is BS... Gus develops his qbs... That man turn a corner into legit qb... Marshall may not be a 1st day pick but if he keeps developing he'll get a shot at qb on some NFL roster(not saying he'll start) and no one can make an argument about Cam...

As for Osu and Tenn, I sort of agree with you but Urb has made non traditional qb prospects successful like Tebow and Miller, but his best passers were not as heralded but they were better passers Jacobs, Leaks, and Alex "nine lives" Smith...

Jim Kelly was pretty good too. Don't forget about him man! God Bless him!

 

[killa1storm]

What he said:

I’d be committed there right now if they ran a spread offense that runs the zone-read. That’s the kind of offense that best fits me.

What he means:

I'd be committed there right now if they ran an offense that didn't want me to be a complete quarterback. I'm not interested in honing all of my skills to be a pro-style QB, I just want to run and gun from the spread.

I'll take Kaaya for the next 4 years and be ecstatic--at least he wants to develop all aspects of his game as a QB. Gibson may want to run that spread offense like Tennessee/Auburn/tOSU* will be running, but the most he will develop in a system like that (even with collegiate success) is Cam Newton, at worst Tim Tebow.

If he went to a school that would develop him as a true pro-style QB and rounded out his skill set, he'd be closer to a Colin Kaepernick. PRO TIP: Kaepernick's already played in a Super Bowl, Cam hasn't, and Tebow's out of the facking league calling games for the $EC Network...and when it comes to development, collegiate success be damned.

For all the 'Miami prepares you to be a good pro QB' talk, how many Miami QB's have done anything in the pros? Testeverde, Kosar, and Kelly? All those guys last played at Miami 30 years ago.

Also, I have to question how much NFL football you watch. The spread offense is the dominant offense in the NFL right now. In fact, the top 5 offenses in the NFL all ran spread offenses. Even the pure pocket passers are in the gun 80% of the time, see Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc. The idea you guys have of offenses is supremely outdated.

Guys like Gruden, Harbaugh, etc. have stated repeatedly that the pocket QB is going the way of the dinosaur. But what do they know? Defenses right now are way too fast and complex for a pocket QB to thrive on a consistent basis, UNLESS you have the mind of someone like a Manning or Brady. Even the 'pocket' guys like Luck and Rodgers run 4.6. The offenses at those schools will do nothing to hamper his development. That will be left up to his coach and his work ethic.

Well, one of those coaches is unemployed and depending on what Harbaugh you're talking about he either can't win a ship with his spread QB OR won a Super Bowl with his pocket QB. Look at the last 10 SB winners. The only one who is close to a spread option QB is Wilson, who depends on a ground and pound offense and a dominant defense. Pretty 'archaic' model. Flacco is a straight pocket QB. Eli Manningis a pocket QB. Rodgers might play from the gun a lot and has mobility, but is still a predominately pocket QB. Brees, Big Ben, Payton, Tom Brady...I don't see a spread option QB in there. They play a pro-style offense from the gun, which is not what this kid plays. You still make progressions, blocking changes, audibles, etc. You don't do that with the spread option as much. Until a spread QB wins at a high level consistenly, I'll stick with my Brad Kaaya model and you can take your Torrence Gibson. For every 1 spread QB that succeeds there are 19 that fail.

Yes, Gruden only won a super bowl and is widely considered one of the best offensive minds in the game. He sucks LOL. Harubugh has been to three straight NFL title games and one Super Bowl, he sucks too. I mean really.

This whole argument is a fail. Pure pocket QB's VASTLY outnumber spread QB's in the NFL. It's like a 4:1 ratio. So based on pure numbers for every 1 spread QB that fails, 4 pocket QB's fail. Yet somehow people fail to mention that when referring to pocket QB's. They fail in greater numbers year after year in college and the NFL but people like you choose to focus on the one or two spread option guys who fail rather than the 30 pocket guys who fail, why is that? And despite that, of the 8 playoff teams, 3 could be considered spread option types. The others (Luck, Rodgers, and Dalton) are all very mobile. The numbers don't support your argument at all.

 

[killa1storm]

But none of Urban Myers offensive players panned out in the NFL. Percy is injury prone

This is false... Come on... The Pouncey's are good and Alex "nine lives" Smith is doing well too... Its kind of unfair to say his players aren't doing well when you consider his primary backs were only like 175 a piece soaking wet... His star qb struggled as a passer... Herbandez before his issue was a good tight end and Riley Cooper broke out last year... Outside of Harvin, who was the cant miss stud to play for Meyer? To be fair Meyer adjusted his offense to his players... Aside from Brantley all of his qbs put up good numbers and they all varied in style... Tebow and Smith was different from Omar Jacobs and Chris Leak... Meyer players have a good track record in the NFL... They aren't all hof but they are talented...

You shouldn't be surprised with all the misinformation on this thread.

Pouncey- All Pro
Pouncey- All Pro
Harvin- Pro Bowler
Hernandez- Pro Bowler before he went on a murder spree
Cooper- solid 2nd option on his team
Murphy- has been a solid #3 receiver throughout his career
Gilbert- starter on Pittsburgh's o-line

And that's just off the top of my head.

 

[Coach Macho]

Why are we still stuck on the NFL U ****?

Who gives a **** what scheme prepares our kids for the NFL?! Let's run the schemes that fit our South FLA athletes and win some **** COLLEGE football games.

 

[maurice3p]

But none of Urban Myers offensive players panned out in the NFL. Percy is injury prone

This is false... Come on... The Pouncey's are good and Alex "nine lives" Smith is doing well too... Its kind of unfair to say his players aren't doing well when you consider his primary backs were only like 175 a piece soaking wet... His star qb struggled as a passer... Herbandez before his issue was a good tight end and Riley Cooper broke out last year... Outside of Harvin, who was the cant miss stud to play for Meyer? To be fair Meyer adjusted his offense to his players... Aside from Brantley all of his qbs put up good numbers and they all varied in style... Tebow and Smith was different from Omar Jacobs and Chris Leak... Meyer players have a good track record in the NFL... They aren't all hof but they are talented...

You shouldn't be surprised with all the misinformation on this thread.

Pouncey- All Pro
Pouncey- All Pro
Harvin- Pro Bowler
Hernandez- Pro Bowler before he went on a murder spree
Cooper- solid 2nd option on his team
Murphy- has been a solid #3 receiver throughout his career
Gilbert- starter on Pittsburgh's o-line

And that's just off the top of my head.

So, only 4 pro bowlers and 2 are centers....... lol that was funny

 

[BWCD]

Ok--let's just go full-on spread no-huddle read-option one-read-pass offense, and let Gibson do great things against 90% of the schedule each year, and put up awesome numbers. We'll be Oregon East, and we see how many national titles that has gotten them, and also how many great NFL QB's they've put in the league. Congratulations.

That's the model you all want to follow--let's just be clear on that. The only NFL offense that Gibson would be ready-made for resides in Philly.

I mean seriously--Gibson wants to go to a school that won't ever ask him to go from under center. What's he gonna do when an NFL team asks him to do that? Hold out? Ask for a trade?

 

[gfer1988]

not to mention that Harvin was selected as a returner. and Murphy is not a solid #3 receiver. Cooper finally played well this past season so we'll see how he plays from here on out. wouldn't be too proud to mention Hernandez

But none of Urban Myers offensive players panned out in the NFL. Percy is injury prone

This is false... Come on... The Pouncey's are good and Alex "nine lives" Smith is doing well too... Its kind of unfair to say his players aren't doing well when you consider his primary backs were only like 175 a piece soaking wet... His star qb struggled as a passer... Herbandez before his issue was a good tight end and Riley Cooper broke out last year... Outside of Harvin, who was the cant miss stud to play for Meyer? To be fair Meyer adjusted his offense to his players... Aside from Brantley all of his qbs put up good numbers and they all varied in style... Tebow and Smith was different from Omar Jacobs and Chris Leak... Meyer players have a good track record in the NFL... They aren't all hof but they are talented...

You shouldn't be surprised with all the misinformation on this thread.

Pouncey- All Pro
Pouncey- All Pro
Harvin- Pro Bowler
Hernandez- Pro Bowler before he went on a murder spree
Cooper- solid 2nd option on his team
Murphy- has been a solid #3 receiver throughout his career
Gilbert- starter on Pittsburgh's o-line

And that's just off the top of my head.

So, only 4 pro bowlers and 2 are centers....... lol that was funny

 

[kperez4446]

Why are we still stuck on the NFL U ****?

Who gives a **** what scheme prepares our kids for the NFL?! Let's run the schemes that fit our South FLA athletes and win some **** COLLEGE football games.

+100000000

 

[Core Values]

But none of Urban Myers offensive players panned out in the NFL. Percy is injury prone

This is false... Come on... The Pouncey's are good and Alex "nine lives" Smith is doing well too... Its kind of unfair to say his players aren't doing well when you consider his primary backs were only like 175 a piece soaking wet... His star qb struggled as a passer... Herbandez before his issue was a good tight end and Riley Cooper broke out last year... Outside of Harvin, who was the cant miss stud to play for Meyer? To be fair Meyer adjusted his offense to his players... Aside from Brantley all of his qbs put up good numbers and they all varied in style... Tebow and Smith was different from Omar Jacobs and Chris Leak... Meyer players have a good track record in the NFL... They aren't all hof but they are talented...

You shouldn't be surprised with all the misinformation on this thread.

Pouncey- All Pro
Pouncey- All Pro
Harvin- Pro Bowler
Hernandez- Pro Bowler before he went on a murder spree
Cooper- solid 2nd option on his team
Murphy- has been a solid #3 receiver throughout his career
Gilbert- starter on Pittsburgh's o-line

And that's just off the top of my head.

find others because that list is awful

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Chip Kelly's offense would've been a helluva lot more fun to watch, than anything we've seen in the last decade...AND we would've won MORE. And who got Erik Swoope "ready for the Pros", **** sure wasn't Al Golden.