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Lance confirms this is worst loss in Mario era

Schnelly'sPipe said:
Who the fck is Lance?
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htownkidd said:
GT 2023
MTSU 2022
Syracuse 2024

All without a doubt worse losses.

GT 2024 and NCST 2023 could make the argument as well but I won’t debate those. Those first 3 though, it’s not even close.
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I don’t really care about MTSU anymore. Doesn’t even enter the conversation for worst losses. First year at Miami, trying to turn over the program. **** happens. It didn’t cost us anything significant except a little bit of pride.

The GT loss, Cuse loss, UL loss, and SMU loss all contributed to missing a guaranteed playoff birth and possibly playing in the ACC championship.

I think the SMU loss was the worst. Louisville was a home loss but it was a Friday night and we know Brohm can coach circles around Mario. That one I figured. SMU is the definition of mediocre. Lashlee is our former OC and SMU has an atrocious pass defense. We have a 4 million dollar QB who the OC doesn’t trust to not throw picks (justifiably IMO, Beck is booty cheeks). So we ran up the centers *** all night long , just a few days after Dawson mocked reporters for asking if he has different plays than running up the centers ***.
 
Any losses in the last two years up to this week are all equally as bad because we had a chance to take the next step in this rebuild and we proved that we are not consistent enough, disciplined enough or self aware enough to attain next level status.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
I don’t really care about MTSU anymore. Doesn’t even enter the conversation for worst losses. First year at Miami, trying to turn over the program. **** happens. It didn’t cost us anything significant except a little bit of pride.

The GT loss, Cuse loss, UL loss, and SMU loss all contributed to missing a guaranteed playoff birth and possibly playing in the ACC championship.

I think the SMU loss was the worst. Louisville was a home loss but it was a Friday night and we know Brohm can coach circles around Mario. That one I figured. SMU is the definition of mediocre. Lashlee is our former OC and SMU has an atrocious pass defense. We have a 4 million dollar QB who the OC doesn’t trust to not throw picks (justifiably IMO, Beck is booty cheeks). So we ran up the centers *** all night long , just a few days after Dawson mocked reporters for asking if he has different plays than running up the centers ***.
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Your opinion, and that’s fine. It matters to me and I cared about it then and now. Not like it was a 3 point loss in OT, they ran us off the ******* field. But again, you are entitled to your OP obviously.
 
JD4 said:
Your cave? You’ve made close to 10k posts on this site what are you talking about
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Being from Canes history of old , to many times being how should I put it hummm I guess DISSED so many times I have recently pulled back from posting and sharing the days of old type of replies so I just watch and read posts now.

Things have changed and we older folks don’t really fit in .

I’m good happy, got my memories at easy access, I just lay low here as things evolve .

Thanks for asking 🙌🙌🙌
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
I don’t really care about MTSU anymore. Doesn’t even enter the conversation for worst losses. First year at Miami, trying to turn over the program. **** happens. It didn’t cost us anything significant except a little bit of pride.

The GT loss, Cuse loss, UL loss, and SMU loss all contributed to missing a guaranteed playoff birth and possibly playing in the ACC championship.

I think the SMU loss was the worst. Louisville was a home loss but it was a Friday night and we know Brohm can coach circles around Mario. That one I figured. SMU is the definition of mediocre. Lashlee is our former OC and SMU has an atrocious pass defense. We have a 4 million dollar QB who the OC doesn’t trust to not throw picks (justifiably IMO, Beck is booty cheeks). So we ran up the centers *** all night long , just a few days after Dawson mocked reporters for asking if he has different plays than running up the centers ***.
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Couple things:

1. Correct on MTSU. Year 1....meh. Yeah, embarrassing, but we all know Saban lost to Louisiana Monroe in Year 1. Kirby lost to Vandy. That **** happens. It's how you build really starting in Year 2 that matters. Everything you said here was correct.

2. We didn't run into the center's *** all game against SMU. Dawson actually did what he said, we ran plenty of outside zone and counters. And it was reasonably successful. The issue is, when it's short-yardage, we ALWAYS run into the center's ***. Literally. 26 times in a row. But Fletcher had 16 carries for 84 yards. The run game, overall, wasn't terrible. The problem is, once again, the SHORT YARDAGE play-calling is atrocious, and cost us the game. Look at all these calls on short yardage (3 or less to go):

2nd and 3 - Toney run for 2
3rd and 1 - Beck sneak, successful (actually don't hate this because when's the last time we actually ran a sneak)
3rd and 1 - Fletcher run for 3, successful
2nd and 1 - Brown run for 3, successful (god forbid you take a shot here)
2nd and 1 - Fletcher run for 4, successful (see above)
2nd and 2 - Lyle run for 6, successful (THROW THE ******* BALL)
3rd and 3 - Lyle run for 2, unsuccessful
4th and 1 - Fletcher run for -1, unsuccessful
2nd and 3 - Fletcher run for 2, technically a successful play but holy **** are you boring
3rd and 1 - Brown run for 1, successful
2nd and 3 - Lyle run for 2, are we sensing a pattern here? Maybe?
3rd and 1 - Brown run for -1, unsuccessful, kick a FG
2nd and 1 in OT - Brown run for 5

I genuinely try to not play the armchair QB game. I really do. But this is ******* gross, man. We had THIRTEEN plays in this game with 3 yards to go or fewer. We ran the football THIRTEEN times. Once to Toney, once on a sneak, and 11 times with the backs.

Give me a break. We had a 2nd and 3 or less 7 times. A perfect opportunity to throw the football. Many of them with plenty of room to do so. We threw it ZERO times. No play-action. No straight drop. No screens. Nothing. Just line up, turn, hand it your back. And of these 13 short-yardage situations, our LONGEST GAIN was 6 yards. It's like watching a service academy. Who plays football like this? I'm not sure this is purely Mario, or some combination of the whole staff. But at the end of the day, this is Mario's team, you cannot let this happen. If we were blowing explosives out of these situations, I guess I could stomach it. But this is the world's most boring football team. After having a literal few times a decade offense last year. It's the same **** staff. What happened? You cannot tell me just Cam Ward + one pass catcher who was drafted is the difference between how we played offense last year vs this year. This is how you call offense if you have Emory Williams making his first start. Sickening ****.

13 short-yardage plays. Zero throws. 29 yards. Averaging 2.3 a play in these situations. Wow. Very impressive, guys.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Couple things:

1. Correct on MTSU. Year 1....meh. Yeah, embarrassing, but we all know Saban lost to Louisiana Monroe in Year 1. Kirby lost to Vandy. That **** happens. It's how you build really starting in Year 2 that matters. Everything you said here was correct.

2. We didn't run into the center's *** all game against SMU. Dawson actually did what he said, we ran plenty of outside zone and counters. And it was reasonably successful. The issue is, when it's short-yardage, we ALWAYS run into the center's ***. Literally. 26 times in a row. But Fletcher had 16 carries for 84 yards. The run game, overall, wasn't terrible. The problem is, once again, the SHORT YARDAGE play-calling is atrocious, and cost us the game. Look at all these calls on short yardage (3 or less to go):

2nd and 3 - Toney run for 2
3rd and 1 - Beck sneak, successful (actually don't hate this because when's the last time we actually ran a sneak)
3rd and 1 - Fletcher run for 3, successful
2nd and 1 - Brown run for 3, successful (god forbid you take a shot here)
2nd and 1 - Fletcher run for 4, successful (see above)
2nd and 2 - Lyle run for 6, successful (THROW THE ******* BALL)
3rd and 3 - Lyle run for 2, unsuccessful
4th and 1 - Fletcher run for -1, unsuccessful
2nd and 3 - Fletcher run for 2, technically a successful play but holy **** are you boring
3rd and 1 - Brown run for 1, successful
2nd and 3 - Lyle run for 2, are we sensing a pattern here? Maybe?
3rd and 1 - Brown run for -1, unsuccessful, kick a FG
2nd and 1 in OT - Brown run for 5

I genuinely try to not play the armchair QB game. I really do. But this is ******* gross, man. We had THIRTEEN plays in this game with 3 yards to go or fewer. We ran the football THIRTEEN times. Once to Toney, once on a sneak, and 11 times with the backs.

Give me a break. We had a 2nd and 3 or less 7 times. A perfect opportunity to throw the football. Many of them with plenty of room to do so. We threw it ZERO times. No play-action. No straight drop. No screens. Nothing. Just line up, turn, hand it your back. And of these 13 short-yardage situations, our LONGEST GAIN was 6 yards. It's like watching a service academy. Who plays football like this? I'm not sure this is purely Mario, or some combination of the whole staff. But at the end of the day, this is Mario's team, you cannot let this happen. If we were blowing explosives out of these situations, I guess I could stomach it. But this is the world's most boring football team. After having a literal few times a decade offense last year. It's the same **** staff. What happened? You cannot tell me just Cam Ward + one pass catcher who was drafted is the difference between how we played offense last year vs this year. This is how you call offense if you have Emory Williams making his first start. Sickening ****.

13 short-yardage plays. Zero throws. 29 yards. Averaging 2.3 a play in these situations. Wow. Very impressive, guys.
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play action passing is too risky.
 
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hoops156 said:
play action passing is too risky.
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I take back my vote. This really might be the worst loss we've had. What in the **** is this team doing?

One thing I didn't add.....playing this way against literally anyone is repulsive and unacceptable.

But you played this way against a defense that is CLEARLY better against the run versus the pass. This is your gameplan? Hey guys, this defense is pretty good up front, they've done a good job against the run. DL clearly their best unit. Very porous against the pass, though. We're gonna have 13 times where we have a short yardage situation, what should we do?

Run that ***** into the A-Gap 13 times!!!

Just nauseating.
 
TrumpyCane said:
TrumpyCane thinks its mind blowing because Beck is completing 80%+ on PA
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yet on plays when they stack the box (aka 4th and 1), we refuse to even do anything that would throw the defense off (leak a back or tight end out for a wide open td)
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I take back my vote. This really might be the worst loss we've had. What in the **** is this team doing?

One thing I didn't add.....playing this way against literally anyone is repulsive and unacceptable.

But you played this way against a defense that is CLEARLY better against the run versus the pass. This is your gameplan? Hey guys, this defense is pretty good up front, they've done a good job against the run. DL clearly their best unit. Very porous against the pass, though. We're gonna have 13 times where we have a short yardage situation, what should we do?

Run that ***** into the A-Gap 13 times!!!

Just nauseating.
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its what david lake said - it makes sense in week 1 against ND or in the rain against UF. when youre 8 games into the year, doing the same **** over and over and trying to ball control your way to zero doesnt work.
 
Time heals all wounds re: MTSU

Rambo was a big loss but we returned most everyone on the team that mattered including our QB that had Heisman trophy talk

We got run the **** off the field

Year 4 and all he proved was that he will continue to lose to teams with significantly less talent so there was nothing to shrug off there because it was Year 1

Its literally a trend
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Couple things:

1. Correct on MTSU. Year 1....meh. Yeah, embarrassing, but we all know Saban lost to Louisiana Monroe in Year 1. Kirby lost to Vandy. That **** happens. It's how you build really starting in Year 2 that matters. Everything you said here was correct.

2. We didn't run into the center's *** all game against SMU. Dawson actually did what he said, we ran plenty of outside zone and counters. And it was reasonably successful. The issue is, when it's short-yardage, we ALWAYS run into the center's ***. Literally. 26 times in a row. But Fletcher had 16 carries for 84 yards. The run game, overall, wasn't terrible. The problem is, once again, the SHORT YARDAGE play-calling is atrocious, and cost us the game. Look at all these calls on short yardage (3 or less to go):

2nd and 3 - Toney run for 2
3rd and 1 - Beck sneak, successful (actually don't hate this because when's the last time we actually ran a sneak)
3rd and 1 - Fletcher run for 3, successful
2nd and 1 - Brown run for 3, successful (god forbid you take a shot here)
2nd and 1 - Fletcher run for 4, successful (see above)
2nd and 2 - Lyle run for 6, successful (THROW THE ******* BALL)
3rd and 3 - Lyle run for 2, unsuccessful
4th and 1 - Fletcher run for -1, unsuccessful
2nd and 3 - Fletcher run for 2, technically a successful play but holy **** are you boring
3rd and 1 - Brown run for 1, successful
2nd and 3 - Lyle run for 2, are we sensing a pattern here? Maybe?
3rd and 1 - Brown run for -1, unsuccessful, kick a FG
2nd and 1 in OT - Brown run for 5

I genuinely try to not play the armchair QB game. I really do. But this is ******* gross, man. We had THIRTEEN plays in this game with 3 yards to go or fewer. We ran the football THIRTEEN times. Once to Toney, once on a sneak, and 11 times with the backs.

Give me a break. We had a 2nd and 3 or less 7 times. A perfect opportunity to throw the football. Many of them with plenty of room to do so. We threw it ZERO times. No play-action. No straight drop. No screens. Nothing. Just line up, turn, hand it your back. And of these 13 short-yardage situations, our LONGEST GAIN was 6 yards. It's like watching a service academy. Who plays football like this? I'm not sure this is purely Mario, or some combination of the whole staff. But at the end of the day, this is Mario's team, you cannot let this happen. If we were blowing explosives out of these situations, I guess I could stomach it. But this is the world's most boring football team. After having a literal few times a decade offense last year. It's the same **** staff. What happened? You cannot tell me just Cam Ward + one pass catcher who was drafted is the difference between how we played offense last year vs this year. This is how you call offense if you have Emory Williams making his first start. Sickening ****.

13 short-yardage plays. Zero throws. 29 yards. Averaging 2.3 a play in these situations. Wow. Very impressive, guys.
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I know nfl people outside of Philly hate the Tush Push, but it has an 85% success rate from 2 yards in. The myth is that it works because Hurts can squat a lot, but his leg strength has almost nothing to do with it. He essentially “surfs” on the back of his offensive linemen. They are really good at it because they brought in rugby coach in the offseason to teach them. Other teams try to replicate it but haven’t had as much success as it takes practice, like any play does. If insisting on being a caveman in short yardage, perhaps next offseason Mario will be an evolved caveman and do what Philly did. Bring in a rugby coach and work on the tush push. At least go with something that is proven to work because handing off to the RB to run inside on 4th and short isn’t getting it done.

I think we would actually be well above 90% success like Philly was when it first started doing it- it takes a couple years for nfl teams to adapt, and in the nfl you usually have comparable talent on both sides of the line. Miami would nearly always have the talent and strength edge on OL, especially in ACC play.

And I 10000% agree with you, on 2nd and 3 or less, you HAVE to take shots downfield as the defense can’t guess what the play is going to be. If I’m an OC, that’s the money play. It’s like a hitter on a 3-1 count. You know that’s when you are going to get the most hittable pitch and take your home run swing.
 
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While the GT loss is up there, don't forget Cheaney was obviously down & they called it a fumble. That disqualifies it for me.
 
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