Kyle Wright's Dad

[Waffle Honcho]

Randy was in no way qualified to be the HC of a program that was a few years removed from a national championship. That was a horrible decision that set this program back years.

To say he was "in no way qualified" is ridiculously disingenuous. He was one of the premier defense coordinators at that time and was on the verge of getting a head coaching job somewhere. Considering the hiring history of the university, he was a reasonable choice. He didn't set us back nearly what Al Golden did, you forget what he inherited.

Randy really didn't take over that long after the early 00 glory days and I really don't think the program was that hard to rebuild at that point. He was able to land a #1 recruiting class in a large part because the recruits actually had seen the 00-02 teams. By the time Golden became coach the better days were far enough behind that he probably couldn't recruit off them. I don't really know if Shannon or Golden inherited the better roster but Shannon actually had recruits who could remember the glory days.

I agree with you that Shannon should have been retained as DC but making him HC was an awful idea. I've never heard of any other school considering Shannon as HC before we promoted him. How could they have promoted him after they saw his inability to speak English? On the other hand Golden was a fairly hot HC prospect that had interviewed at UCLA, Tennessee and perhaps some other schools. In addition the school actually did a fairly wide coaching search before they hired Golden. All the school did in the 06 search was try to hire Schiano and then hire Shannon when that failed.

I'm not saying Golden was any better of a coach than Shannon, I'm just saying that his resume at the time of hiring was more defensible.

Of the many reasons I hate Al Golden -- he was so awful that we have fans like hughhoney who forget just what a disaster the Shannon hire was simply because he was marginally less awful than Golden.

While I realize it's a useless comparison, I'm actually tempted to call Shannon worse than Golden. If only because Golden followed Shannon while Shannon followed a sort of real head coach in Coker.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

To say he was "in no way qualified" is ridiculously disingenuous. He was one of the premier defense coordinators at that time and was on the verge of getting a head coaching job somewhere. Considering the hiring history of the university, he was a reasonable choice. He didn't set us back nearly what Al Golden did, you forget what he inherited.

He was a good DC, not great and to speculate that he was on the verge of landing a HC job somewhere at a comparable program to UM is highly
speculative.
Please don't start this stupid discussion again.

And Shalala was the ultimate culprit for destroying this program on and off the field with the Shapiro stuff
and poor hiring decisions.
She was a disaster - a plague to UM athletics - and that is where the focus should lie when discussing downfall of program.

I've never had this debate before. Shannon was not a good DC, he was an elite DC the numbers speak for themselves. If you were actively saying at the time of the hire that he was a poor choice and had other options in mind, then more power to you. Shannon was a popular hire, just like Coker and Golden were. You can blame Donna all you want, the poorest of the intellect need a scapegoat and you found yours, so please carry on. I mean our new president was on the verge of hiring Schiano until Richt fell into our laps. That would've been a disaster.

You are delusional and living in a bubble if you really think the Shannon hire was "popular". Fans were not happy at all with the hire. I distinctly remember the reaction on multiple message boards including Grassy (Scout) which was the most visited UM Football message board at the time. Our fans were practically jumping off of bridges because of how ridiculously stupid it was to hire a coach from the staff that just ran the best CFB program in the country into the ground.

Accuses me of living in a bubble and then cites message board responses indicating that fans were not happy, ok. Well my perception from fellow alumni, fans, those that attend games was the opposite. It's not worth debating, really. Having hindsight is easy. If Richt were to fail I can say how I remember how CanesInsight went crazy because we just hired someone who was fired for not being able to win the big games in his career. We can paint the past however we'd like.

Nice try but the fan reaction to hiring Richt was overwhelmingly positive. The reaction to Shannon was not. That's simply the reality whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I'm actually stunned that I'm even finding myself debating this fact with someone right now. At best there was a small contingent of fans willing to give Shannon the benefit of the doubt because he was a former player but you are literally the first person I've come across who claimed to be excited about the hiring.

 

[Waterfall]

He was a good DC, not great and to speculate that he was on the verge of landing a HC job somewhere at a comparable program to UM is highly
speculative.
Please don't start this stupid discussion again.

And Shalala was the ultimate culprit for destroying this program on and off the field with the Shapiro stuff
and poor hiring decisions.
She was a disaster - a plague to UM athletics - and that is where the focus should lie when discussing downfall of program.

I've never had this debate before. Shannon was not a good DC, he was an elite DC the numbers speak for themselves. If you were actively saying at the time of the hire that he was a poor choice and had other options in mind, then more power to you. Shannon was a popular hire, just like Coker and Golden were. You can blame Donna all you want, the poorest of the intellect need a scapegoat and you found yours, so please carry on. I mean our new president was on the verge of hiring Schiano until Richt fell into our laps. That would've been a disaster.

You are delusional and living in a bubble if you really think the Shannon hire was "popular". Fans were not happy at all with the hire. I distinctly remember the reaction on multiple message boards including Grassy (Scout) which was the most visited UM Football message board at the time. Our fans were practically jumping off of bridges because of how ridiculously stupid it was to hire a coach from the staff that just ran the best CFB program in the country into the ground.

Accuses me of living in a bubble and then cites message board responses indicating that fans were not happy, ok. Well my perception from fellow alumni, fans, those that attend games was the opposite. It's not worth debating, really. Having hindsight is easy. If Richt were to fail I can say how I remember how CanesInsight went crazy because we just hired someone who was fired for not being able to win the big games in his career. We can paint the past however we'd like.

Nice try but the fan reaction to hiring Richt was overwhelmingly positive. The reaction to Shannon was not. That's simply the reality whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I'm actually stunned that I'm even finding myself debating this fact with someone right now. At best there was a small contingent of fans willing to give Shannon the benefit of the doubt because he was a former player but you are literally the first person I've come across who claimed to be excited about the hiring.

Some people forced themselves to feel positive about Shannon's hiring just because they wanted to feel optimistic under a new coach. If somebody awful like Schiano or Charlie Strong had been hired this time around I'm sure there also would be some UM fans who would be forcing themselves to be optimistic about the hire. Just like some South Carolina people are now forcing themselves to be optimistic about Muschamp's hiring.

It's not because anybody would objectively believe in their resume. It's just because nobody wants to believe their new coach is awful and the team will suck for several years.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

He was a good DC, not great and to speculate that he was on the verge of landing a HC job somewhere at a comparable program to UM is highly
speculative.
Please don't start this stupid discussion again.

And Shalala was the ultimate culprit for destroying this program on and off the field with the Shapiro stuff
and poor hiring decisions.
She was a disaster - a plague to UM athletics - and that is where the focus should lie when discussing downfall of program.

I've never had this debate before. Shannon was not a good DC, he was an elite DC the numbers speak for themselves. If you were actively saying at the time of the hire that he was a poor choice and had other options in mind, then more power to you. Shannon was a popular hire, just like Coker and Golden were. You can blame Donna all you want, the poorest of the intellect need a scapegoat and you found yours, so please carry on. I mean our new president was on the verge of hiring Schiano until Richt fell into our laps. That would've been a disaster.

You are delusional and living in a bubble if you really think the Shannon hire was "popular". Fans were not happy at all with the hire. I distinctly remember the reaction on multiple message boards including Grassy (Scout) which was the most visited UM Football message board at the time. Our fans were practically jumping off of bridges because of how ridiculously stupid it was to hire a coach from the staff that just ran the best CFB program in the country into the ground.

Accuses me of living in a bubble and then cites message board responses indicating that fans were not happy, ok. Well my perception from fellow alumni, fans, those that attend games was the opposite. It's not worth debating, really. Having hindsight is easy. If Richt were to fail I can say how I remember how CanesInsight went crazy because we just hired someone who was fired for not being able to win the big games in his career. We can paint the past however we'd like.

Nice try but the fan reaction to hiring Richt was overwhelmingly positive. The reaction to Shannon was not. That's simply the reality whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I'm actually stunned that I'm even finding myself debating this fact with someone right now. At best there was a small contingent of fans willing to give Shannon the benefit of the doubt because he was a former player but you are literally the first person I've come across who claimed to be excited about the hiring.

I love how "he was a reasonable choice" has morphed into "I was super excited about the hire". Sorry I'm not on the internet all the time to assess the 5% of Hurricanes fans that voice their opinion here, but to claim how a message board responded is indicative of the overall fan response is the only ridiculous thing about this conversation.

And congratulations on identifying that the hiring of Richt was positive, you can understand analogies.

 

[SoCalPete73]

It is so amazing to me to compare/contrast Kyle Wright and Ken Dorsey... KW was EXACTLY what you would build (physically) if you were going to create the prototype QB. Dorsey, on the other hand, had virtually none of KW's physical attributes but Dorsey was brilliant and a GREAT decision-maker and that later quality matter SO MUCH MORE than any physical attribute.

 

[ThomasM]

Last good defense we had.

Who was the DC again...?

That was an excellent defense. Light years above the garbage Golden was throwing out there.

Our options were to either hire Randy or let him go. With those excellent defenses he was putting out and that he was a true Cane, he was an obvious choice to be our HC. Would love to have him back as DC again.

He was a horrible choice for HC. He was a cheap hire, and we desperately needed new blood. We needed a COMPLETE purge, instead we got more of the same. Absolutely no coincidence Randy's last team looked exactly like Coker's last team. I don't blame Coker, Shannon or Golden. Truth is, none of them should have ever been hired. Can't fault them for applying and being lucky the administration was cheap, because if they were willing to spend some money none of them get an interview.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Last good defense we had.

Who was the DC again...?

That was an excellent defense. Light years above the garbage Golden was throwing out there.

Our options were to either hire Randy or let him go. With those excellent defenses he was putting out and that he was a true Cane, he was an obvious choice to be our HC. Would love to have him back as DC again.

He was a horrible choice for HC. He was a cheap hire, and we desperately needed new blood. We needed a COMPLETE purge, instead we got more of the same. Absolutely no coincidence Randy's last team looked exactly like Coker's last team. I don't blame Coker, Shannon or Golden. Truth is, none of them should have ever been hired. Can't fault them for applying and being lucky the administration was cheap, because if they were willing to spend some money none of them get an interview.

We've always hired coaches without a proven track record. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mark Richt is far and away the most accomplished coach we've ever hired.

Anyway, the point remains. If we didn't hire Shannon as HC he would've left. That's all I was trying to say before the crybabies came out in full force. My comments were meant to be more of a credit to the great defenses he had while he was here.

 

[UMinati]

Okay one more time
Let's all say it together
SHAAAH LAAAAY LAAAAAH

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Last good defense we had.

Who was the DC again...?

That was an excellent defense. Light years above the garbage Golden was throwing out there.

Our options were to either hire Randy or let him go. With those excellent defenses he was putting out and that he was a true Cane, he was an obvious choice to be our HC. Would love to have him back as DC again.

He was a horrible choice for HC. He was a cheap hire, and we desperately needed new blood. We needed a COMPLETE purge, instead we got more of the same. Absolutely no coincidence Randy's last team looked exactly like Coker's last team. I don't blame Coker, Shannon or Golden. Truth is, none of them should have ever been hired. Can't fault them for applying and being lucky the administration was cheap, because if they were willing to spend some money none of them get an interview.

We've always hired coaches without a proven track record. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mark Richt is far and away the most accomplished coach we've ever hired.

Anyway, the point remains. If we didn't hire Shannon as HC he would've left. That's all I was trying to say before the crybabies came out in full force. My comments were meant to be more of a credit to the great defenses he had while he was here.

Actually, Richt is absolutely the most accomplished coach we've ever hired.

Look it up.

 

[dycane]

It is so amazing to me to compare/contrast Kyle Wright and Ken Dorsey... KW was EXACTLY what you would build (physically) if you were going to create the prototype QB. Dorsey, on the other hand, had virtually none of KW's physical attributes but Dorsey was brilliant and a GREAT decision-maker and that later quality matter SO MUCH MORE than any physical attribute.

The talent surrounding Ken, especially that line, would've made a lot of quarterbacks look brilliant.

 

[DMoney]

Kyle Wright was a horrible player. When he got to the Vikings, their QB coach called one of our coaches and said he was the worst player he had ever seen. He had no pocket presence, he was inaccurate and he had no touch.

If anyone got ruined, it was Jacory. He actually had flashes of brilliance passing the ball. Kyle's greatest accomplishment was handing the ball off to Tyrone Moss.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

That was an excellent defense. Light years above the garbage Golden was throwing out there.

Our options were to either hire Randy or let him go. With those excellent defenses he was putting out and that he was a true Cane, he was an obvious choice to be our HC. Would love to have him back as DC again.

He was a horrible choice for HC. He was a cheap hire, and we desperately needed new blood. We needed a COMPLETE purge, instead we got more of the same. Absolutely no coincidence Randy's last team looked exactly like Coker's last team. I don't blame Coker, Shannon or Golden. Truth is, none of them should have ever been hired. Can't fault them for applying and being lucky the administration was cheap, because if they were willing to spend some money none of them get an interview.

We've always hired coaches without a proven track record. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mark Richt is far and away the most accomplished coach we've ever hired.

Anyway, the point remains. If we didn't hire Shannon as HC he would've left. That's all I was trying to say before the crybabies came out in full force. My comments were meant to be more of a credit to the great defenses he had while he was here.

Actually, Richt is absolutely the most accomplished coach we've ever hired.

Look it up.

That's what I said.

 

[Waterfall]

Kyle Wright was a horrible player. When he got to the Vikings, their QB coach called one of our coaches and said he was the worst player he had ever seen. He had no pocket presence, he was inaccurate and he had no touch.

If anyone got ruined, it was Jacory. He actually had flashes of brilliance passing the ball. Kyle's greatest accomplishment was handing the ball off to Tyrone Moss.

I'm not saying the coaches did the best job of coaching Wright but he wouldn't have looked good if Norm Chow were his OC. When Wright was OC we should have just never passed the ball he was that bad. Figured out an offense similiar to what Baylor ran in the bowl game vs UNC where they never passed the ball and scored a whole lot of points.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Kyle Wright was a horrible player. When he got to the Vikings, their QB coach called one of our coaches and said he was the worst player he had ever seen. He had no pocket presence, he was inaccurate and he had no touch.

If anyone got ruined, it was Jacory. He actually had flashes of brilliance passing the ball. Kyle's greatest accomplishment was handing the ball off to Tyrone Moss.

Not trying to say Wright was going to be a top pick but feel like he could've been serviceable behind a great OL. Once he started seeing the rush it was over, he would drop his head and run right into the pass rush.

 

[ben]

Kyle Wright was a horrible player. When he got to the Vikings, their QB coach called one of our coaches and said he was the worst player he had ever seen. He had no pocket presence, he was inaccurate and he had no touch.

If anyone got ruined, it was Jacory. He actually had flashes of brilliance passing the ball. Kyle's greatest accomplishment was handing the ball off to Tyrone Moss.

I'm not saying the coaches did the best job of coaching Wright but he wouldn't have looked good if Norm Chow were his OC. When Wright was OC we should have just never passed the ball he was that bad. Figured out an offense similiar to what Baylor ran in the bowl game vs UNC where they never passed the ball and scored a whole lot of points.

clearly you've forgotten about the "Hurricane Formation" with James and Cooper

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

It is so amazing to me to compare/contrast Kyle Wright and Ken Dorsey... KW was EXACTLY what you would build (physically) if you were going to create the prototype QB. Dorsey, on the other hand, had virtually none of KW's physical attributes but Dorsey was brilliant and a GREAT decision-maker and that later quality matter SO MUCH MORE than any physical attribute.

2 different nervous systems...takes a certain type of nervous system to be an effective, predominantly drop back QB, like Dorsey was...think ice cold.

KW was actually a pretty good athlete, ran a 4.5 IIRC...should've tweaked the Pro Style to accomodate His athleticism.

 

[BoxingRobes]

I think Kyle could have been so much better.

I think you're letting the stars effect your judgment. He was awful. There was nothing there. Absolutely nothing.

And my understanding is that he only got recruiting stars because Miami was recruiting him.

That's not true. KW was the prototype HS QB. He was offered by everyone and miami fans were pumped when he committed. Sadly his lasting legacy is KW to UM.

The definition of a California PE player. He was very bad.

 

[ncncanes]

Last good defense we had.

Who was the DC again...?

That was an excellent defense. Light years above the garbage Golden was throwing out there.

Our options were to either hire Randy or let him go. With those excellent defenses he was putting out and that he was a true Cane, he was an obvious choice to be our HC. Would love to have him back as DC again.

He was a horrible choice for HC. He was a cheap hire, and we desperately needed new blood. We needed a COMPLETE purge, instead we got more of the same. Absolutely no coincidence Randy's last team looked exactly like Coker's last team. I don't blame Coker, Shannon or Golden. Truth is, none of them should have ever been hired. Can't fault them for applying and being lucky the administration was cheap, because if they were willing to spend some money none of them get an interview.

The problem with the Coker hire is the AD listened to the players. You need an AD that doesnt listen to the fans, the players or the media .....ie when Sam picked Jimmy

 

[bobbydigius]

Thought he was going to be a star after that FSU game. Dude showed balls of steel. He was just getting murdered. And along with awful coaching, that ended up ruining him. He played behind some of the worst offensive lines in Miami history.

So did I put it soon became clear that he was just using Olsen as his safety valve all game long, during a time period where Micky Andrews couldn't defend a pass catching TE to save his life. Also to this day I never saw domination in the trenches like that, Wimbley stole Winston's soul in that game. It was brutal. For all his faults, Wright was a tough kid.