Kirt Herbstreit: I’m Done with Florida State

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Miami’s issues have been discussed here but at the end of the day FSU has some serious program culture issues.
 
Took the words right out of my mouth, or fingertips in this case. I was commenting during the game when all of that chirping was going on as we were clearly pulling away. It's really a disgrace to a culture that Bobby Bowden created that made this rivalry so fantastic, it was all about football. They are at best, an undisciplined high school team mentally.
Bobby Bowden? It was Bill Peterson! He was the one who made them great footballs if not overnight!
 
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Miami has also personified the conversation at 10:30.

I still believe Miami's class is going to be 30+ and even more disasterous with a bowl loss..IF they are eligible.
 
Interesting. Herb said the Noles need to go back and watch Bowden's team, because all they want to do is fight. Similar to what Richt said, which is "Swag is about beating the man in front of you." I always loved that line from Richt.
 
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As much as Bear is a personality that's 3 of the actual good guys at eSECpn right there.

Herbie for AD? **** Fowler for AD. He already lives here.
 
It was the Bowden culture of "boys will be boys" that ended up rotting the program.
Bowden gave a lot of kids a second chance. In watching "Bowden Dynasty" it makes sense. Kids make mistakes and generally deserve a second chance. There's a difference with what we are seeing from them now. Bowden's teams like ours talked trash but they were disciplined and backed it up. Miami and FSU intimidated opponents with their play on the field, not pushing and shoving like their players are doing now.
 
Have to agree for the most part. Disagree on Willie having any power to change that culture. Aside from the fact he's a terrible coach, his wet blanket, milktoast, Urkel personality will never reign in that roster and garner respect.
Milk toast
 
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