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Kirkland recruitment last year

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SevenNSeven said:
ssvir said:
DMoney said:
That poor decision by the staff damaged our relationship with the best local program and cost us a freshman All-American player.
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You need to slow you're roll on the Freshman All-American comments.

Kirkland was 3rd team G in one publication (6 Guards were chosen) and in the major conferences there were probably 20 Freshman that played G that actually played enough minutes to even qualify. He wouldn't have even seen the field on our squad last year.
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So, you're saying he was a JAG that wasn't worth a 'ship?
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I'm saying we will know in 3-4 years and its WAY too early to proclaim him as a lost AA.
 
Never give recruits ultimatums. Either leave a scholarship open for them or take it away outright! Kids will take those threats to the media and in the end, it makes the coach looks like an ***. No kid with the ego of Kirkland is going to admit publicly that he got his schollie pulled in favor of someone else. I'm sure Golden has learned from that mistake.
 
This staff is clueless on how recruiting works in South Florida. Al would have been perfect for Penn State and NJ recruiting.
 
It's my own opinion, but I think Ice is a Shannon fan, and would do anything, including having his players homeschool our staff, to stick it to us, and his recent track record confirms it. Tomorrow will prove me wrong or right, I think.
 
DMoney said:
The Kirkland situation last year was a disaster. I hope the staff has learned from it.

They misevaluated Kirkland when most amateurs on here could tell you he was a monster. Because they weren't high on him, they forced him to commit on the spot rather than NSD.

Ice Harris, correctly, stood up for his player and said "Why are you giving my All-American an ultimatum when you are waiting for eight other kids on NSD?" The saddest thing is that Kirkland would have been a Cane.

That poor decision by the staff damaged our relationship with the best local program and cost us a freshman All-American player.
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LOL, except isn't it interesting how the whole situation came to a head when Coley was hired? Coley knew what was up, told AG that neither of the BTW kids were going to Miami, and Barrow went to call them on it. This site defends Ice Harris and Genron...hmmmm.
 
Fine but I know there will be posters ripping Golden if a Thomas flips. What else could he have done? Let me guess. It is because he didn't fire D'Onofrio?
 
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CTCANE said:
Fine but I know there will be posters ripping Golden if a Thomas flips. What else could he have done? Let me guess. It is because he didn't fire D'Onofrio?
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If we had fired DOnofrio and signaled change by hiring a young, hungry recruiter it would've helped a lot of different things.
 
sebastian91 said:
LOL, except isn't it interesting how the whole situation came to a head when Coley was hired? Coley knew what was up, told AG that neither of the BTW kids were going to Miami, and Barrow went to call them on it.
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Then why didn't they give Thomas an ultimatum? The truth is they didn't like Kirkland and they treated him different than their other top targets. Huge mistake.

Kirkland didn't even end up at FSU, so whatever Coley tipped them off to didn't pan out. Kirkland should be a Cane. If he was here, he'd be starting on next year's line.
 
I wonder how it would have went over if Golden went to CT and told him we were pulling his offer if he took those visits to FSU and Alabama like Saban did with Scarborough the day he was supposed to leave for his OV here (as is rumored).
 
DMoney said:
sebastian91 said:
LOL, except isn't it interesting how the whole situation came to a head when Coley was hired? Coley knew what was up, told AG that neither of the BTW kids were going to Miami, and Barrow went to call them on it.
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Then why didn't they give Thomas an ultimatum? The truth is they didn't like Kirkland and they treated him different than their other top targets. Huge mistake.

Kirkland didn't even end up at FSU, so whatever Coley tipped them off to didn't pan out. Kirkland should be a Cane. If he was here, he'd be starting on next year's line.
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No, read it again. Coley told AG that neither of the BTW kids were going to Miami....which indeed did pan out. Kirkland and Thomas were never going to Miami. Keep defending enemies of the program though.
 
sebastian91 said:
No, read it again. Coley told AG that neither of the BTW kids were going to Miami....which indeed did pan out. Kirkland and Thomas were never going to Miami. Keep defending enemies of the program though.
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But you didn't answer the question. Why did they give Kirkland an ultimatum, but not Thomas? Or Keith Bryant, for that matter.
 
DMoney said:
sebastian91 said:
LOL, except isn't it interesting how the whole situation came to a head when Coley was hired? Coley knew what was up, told AG that neither of the BTW kids were going to Miami, and Barrow went to call them on it.
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Then why didn't they give Thomas an ultimatum? The truth is they didn't like Kirkland and they treated him different than their other top targets. Huge mistake.

Kirkland didn't even end up at FSU, so whatever Coley tipped them off to didn't pan out. Kirkland should be a Cane. If he was here, he'd be starting on next year's line.
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Dmoney... I believe you... I mean why else would they re-offer the scholly if they suspected that something was up? The staff botched that... And the kid performed well where his team was quite productive in the run game...
 
CTCANE said:
Golden was ripped by some last year for pulling scholie from Kirkland if he didn't stop playing games. I guarantee the same posters are saying the opposite this year about Chad Thomas. I'm not sure who is more fickle these south Florida prima donnas who don't stick to their word or some of the posters on here.
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I don't even understand what you are trying to say. The people who were critical of pulling Kirkland's offer think we should pull CT's? Is this real life?
 
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DMoney said:
sebastian91 said:
No, read it again. Coley told AG that neither of the BTW kids were going to Miami....which indeed did pan out. Kirkland and Thomas were never going to Miami. Keep defending enemies of the program though.
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But you didn't answer the question. Why did they give Kirkland an ultimatum, but not Thomas? Or Keith Bryant, for that matter.
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Who knows? Maybe Thomas wasn't there that day? Maybe they already knew that Thomas wasn't going to Miami? Neither of those kids went to Miami, and that's all that matters in the end. All sides almost certainly could've handled the situation better than they did, but Ice Harris went public with bashing the program instead of going to the staff for answers. Genron does the same. But those two guys get defended here? Why?
 
sebastian91 said:
All sides almost certainly could've handled the situation better than they did, but Ice Harris went public with bashing the program instead of going to the staff for answers. Genron does the same. But those two guys get defended here? Why?
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Ice Harris defended his own program. A team that happens to be the best high school team in America. I want winners like that in Coral Gables.
 
DMoney said:
DiegoCane said:
I'm not defending the staff but if Kirkland was going to be a Cane why didn't he tell them that when they asked?
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Can't speak for him, but I believe he wanted to make a signing day decision like Gus, Coley, Grace and all the other kids we were waiting on. Once the offer was pulled, he told people that he was likely going to pick Miami.
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Situation clearly was not handled correctly but to believe he would have been a Cane? That's a stretch D. I know the kid said so after the fiasco but that sure stunk of him being mad at the staff and trying to make his loss sting. Best you can say is if we had not screwed up we had a chance, but the relationship was clearly not all that solid and I for one think the chance was slim to none.
 
DMoney said:
sebastian91 said:
All sides almost certainly could've handled the situation better than they did, but Ice Harris went public with bashing the program instead of going to the staff for answers. Genron does the same. But those two guys get defended here? Why?
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Ice Harris defended his own program. A team that happens to be the best high school team in America. I want winners like that in Coral Gables.
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BS. He trashed Miami in the media before he knew the story. He could have gone to Barrow or AG for answers before doing that. Do you disagree?
 
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