Kam and JW are apparently leaving

[Jassid82]

I’m hurt, dog. FSU keeps their seniors. We can’t.

Norvall sold them on if everyone came back they had a legit shot at winning it all or at least winning the ACC title. LEGIT shot. Mario cant sell that to these guys with a straight face. Not in a million years.

 

[CanesFan20]

Kam has a late round 2 - early round 3 grade (could go higher and probably will because his interview process should go well)

James Williams- 4th/5th round (all fit related with him)

James is going to be a combine warrior. It's going to increase his draft stock a lot.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Smh at other programs those type of dudes return. Look at that Clemson team that won the Natty, look at Jared Verse, n those r just 2 examples off the top of my head.

Two weeks ago, we were going to have all our starters back, now 2024 is yet another rebuild....

 

[Hufftwoseven]

**** that sucks… but if both are to be picked within first two rounds they have to move on.

 

[CanesFan20]

We're going to need 2 starting safeties in the portal now.

 

[smack99]

Not really surprising but good for them. Get that NFL money.

 

[Peter Ariz]

James is going to be a combine warrior. It's going to increase his draft stock a lot.

Scouts actually think it could be opposite. Have had multiple tell me they believe he might be a high 4.6-low4.7 guy which would hurt him big time

They need to either see him run well enough to put that to rest, or they need him to gain 15-20 pounds.

 

[Angry Ibis]

Norvall sold them on if everyone came back they had a legit shot at winning it all or at least winning the ACC title. LEGIT shot. Mario cant sell that to these guys with a straight face. Not in a million years.

I remember when this strategy was laughed at.... meanwhile they are 12-0 ...

 

[gogeta4]

Verse was exposed this year. Should have bounced last year.

Stiff as a shot of whiskey

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

Verse was exposed this year. Should have bounced last year.

While I agree to an extent, he’s still projected to be anywhere from mid 1st round to early 2nd.

He’s stiffer than I imagined as a pass rusher, but I think someone will bite before the mid 2nd.

 

[Jassid82]

And for all the posters talking about Kam's negative film..hope you are countering that with how NFL scouts are going to also see a big time playmaker on D. BIG TIME. You cant put a price tag on a guy who can flip the momentum with a key turnover or pick 6...our offense hardly ever took advantage of it so we shrug our shoulders. Would love to know how many points we scored off Kams timely interceptions..not many ill bet.

NFL Scouts will have some decisions to make on him indeed.

 

[3FW]

Both kids will be high picks. First three rounds.

 

[Jassid82]

While I agree to an extent, he’s still projected to be anywhere from mid 1st round to early 2nd.

He’s stiffer than I imagined as a pass rusher, but I think someone will bite before the mid 2nd.

Yeah but wasnt he a projected top 15 after last year? Looks like he definitely made a mistake.

 

[grover]

Yeah man like I said, we never get that. I'm sure it hurts us that we haven't been good on the field to entice players to come back, but it's hard to be good when your juniors all leave if they have a hint of being drafted.


Tyler Van Dyke
Javion Cohen
Don Chaney Jr.
Corey Flagg
Kam Kinchens
James Williams

Mario better do work in the portal, because right now this teams has gotten a lot worse in 4 days since the season ended.

We knew all these names except Flagg were gone after this season. It was always a pipe dream to expect any would be back in 2024.

 

[WeBallinBoyz]

Yeah but wasnt he a projected top 15 after last year? Looks like he definitely made a mistake.

Define “mistake”.

He probably got a BAG to stay at FSU, I’m sure that cuts into the potential losses of going from 12-15 to late 1st. Plus he has the combine to improve his stock.

We’ll see where he lands, I still think late first. That UF game (despite their OL sucking donkey balls) was utter domination and some scouts will probably bite.

 

[grover]

Also agree with this:

That's where I'm at. But all depends upon the portal unless Patterson is at Bain's level as a true freshman.

 

[hurricaneman]

I think Kam and Williams were really good safeties here and I loved watching them play.

But I think they were both a level below where everyone said they were at. I personally think we can do better than Williams. I never really liked him back there. Often in really bad position. Kam will be much harder to replace but if you find a good, disciplined coverage safety you can come close.

I get the, "you don't know what you got til it's gone", but I don't think we're replacing generational talent.

 

[grover]

Norvall sold them on if everyone came back they had a legit shot at winning it all or at least winning the ACC title. LEGIT shot. Mario cant sell that to these guys with a straight face. Not in a million years.

He can with the right transfer portal QB.

 

[Hufftwoseven]

So are neither playing in bowl game? I would assume? These bowl games are going to be atrocious with any good players not playing

 

[Atom Atlas]

Williams has one of the best coverage grades for a safety in college football. Teams value upside just as much as they do college film. James has the higher NFL ceiling then Kam.