Kaden Henderson update

[305 MOUNTAIN MAN]

Either you're with us or against us. Order has been restored. Best of luck to him. NEXT

A man with common sense, congrats to you.

 

[uprising]

We need all the talent we can get at LBs, did you not watch Mendoza run through our two starting linebackers to convert a QB sneak on fourth down

True, and the staff probably feel they’re good with the two they have locked in. But that QB sneak, I believe it was Mesidor or Bain who said that play was a blown call, miscommunication.

 

[U got This]

Quality over quality.

 

[KrazyCane]

Miami trying to save face in public eye, they know he’s going to aTm and don’t want them to curb stomp us twice in as many months we two 5* we desperately wanted

We on our own terms now

Miami isn’t trying to save face about **** … talking about curb stomped foh goofy ??? we snatched elite players from elite schools all recruiting cycle you think they’re scared over some hat games being played at the end. It’s big boy recruiting we’re not going to win them all tf is u talking about

 

[canes_226]

kid is going to ND or A&M, we already got 2 studs at LB we're good

my guess is he was a take if he would commit, but since he wouldn't give a definitive answer, we have decided to put effort and resources into other players (such as DJ Jacobs, and securing our own commits)

it may not be a coincidence we recently had a handful of commits shut down their recruitment, which may mean they signed a NIL contract locking them in

 

[lindend]

The pressure did not work out in our favor. Sometime when you make a firm offer, you need to stand on it.

and more importantly, avoid being used as leverage for a better offer for another school. Geo mentioned on last night's podcast that Henderson kept coming back with counter offers.

No insights in this recruitment, but sometimes it becomes clear that you're just a tool to help the recruit get the offer/price they want elsewhere. When that happens, you say and good luck.

 

[DocCane407]

Yes, I insinuated that he may have decided to take more money and left it at that. Now while I didn’t telegraph it, I look at it as just making a business decision. You stated ‘This kid seems more interested in the proce$$ than he is in making a decision and playing football’.

Kid is making a decision in the early summer and given who his finalists were, saying he isn’t serious about playing football makes no sense. **** ND and 8-4 but I’d say they are at this moment in time pretty relevant programs. I’d definitely say Miami is and we were in this until today.

This kid did nothing wrong, we just moved on for obvious reasons and you went in an attacked his character and then said the kid maybe wants to be zesty 2.0. If that’s not disparaging a kid, then I don’t know what is. It’s not like this kid pulled some out of pocket **** on us. We moved on, and it made sense for both parties why we moved on.

Cool. I disparaged him then. I don't like getting used like a cheap who.re and I should've used more grown up words so as not to anger you.

Don't you ever do that. I'll be the first to call you out if I remember.

Now go play hall monitor with the long list of oher people on this thread disparaging him Saint BobbyDingus.

Hey, bottom line, kids treating it like a business decision and Miami's doing the same. Mario has shown he won't overspend except for premium positions and LB isn't premium.

 

[umcane4life]

100% and if we’re being honest, Henderson isn’t actually a linebacker. He’s a pass rusher that has excellent measurables that they want to turn into a linebacker. He’s actually not a linebacker right now, so he has a lot to learn. When it comes to linebackers, we got our top guy in Randall and that’s a fact.

Sam Brooks and Malik Bryant come to mind on pass rushers who couldn't translate to linebacker. ****, even Matthew Thomas back in the day was all world 5star who didn't live up to the hype when he transioned to linebacker.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Hey, bottom line, kids treating it like a business decision and Miami's doing the same. Mario has shown he won't overspend except for premium positions and LB isn't premium.

Somewhere between "treating it like a business decision" and being a greedy clown is the truth. Each situation is different. Each player is different. Some of the tactics used are just that - tactics and while leverage and strengths will always be used to drive up or drive down the price (depending on which side of the negotiation you are on), creating/fabricating more perceived leverage while combining moving goalposts are when I say no thank you.

There's a ton of naunce in what I just wrote. I'm not looking for an argument and you're more than welcome to disagree. I also have decades of experience negotiating deals with all sorts of walks of life and at all sorts of levels. I mention this not to flex (I'm just a regular old guy in real life). I mention it because if you've ever spent months in detailed negotiations with a potential client only for them to pull some real BS at the end, it doesn't sit right. Not because you didn't get the deal, but because that person/team/company used you. Yes it happens. Yes it's not always personal. It is douchey. It typically fosters animosity. It's also real life.

I'll end with this. I heard a very wealthy old man tell another wealthy, but slightly younger, man "There's more to life than just making money" recently. I looked away and smiled. Why? Because the older man was right and all three of us knew it. That's not to say that making moeny isn't important - it defintiely is. It's to say that at some point, the number is just the number. Do you really live all that differently making $700k per year vs $820k? I can do math and run investment calculators to "prove" a difference. I get that, but it's not the point. The point is the day to day living is no different. The house won't really be any bigger or nicer, same for the cars, the clothes, etc. The number of real friends won't changel. Relationships don't differ. WTF does this have to do with football and recruiting? If a recruit is chasnig the biggest bag and is also a bona fide five star with serious NFL aspirations, shouldn't the focus really be on the school that best develops the player? The serious long term money is in the NFL.

 

[Trav]

It’s probably a combination of the player not wanting to come here but also not handling things properly with us. Mario probably just decided we were betting jerked around too much.

Yea, whatever it is I have no issue wih us declaring we've moved on from a recruit. We don't do it with everyone who we don't get so clearly there was good reason.

 

[Groz73Cane]

Somewhere between "treating it like a business decision" and being a greedy clown is the truth. Each situation is different. Each player is different. Some of the tactics used are just that - tactics and while leverage and strengths will always be used to drive up or drive down the price (depending on which side of the negotiation you are on), creating/fabricating more perceived leverage while combining moving goalposts are when I say no thank you.

There's a ton of naunce in what I just wrote. I'm not looking for an argument and you're more than welcome to disagree. I also have decades of experience negotiating deals with all sorts of walks of life and at all sorts of levels. I mention this not to flex (I'm just a regular old guy in real life). I mention it because if you've ever spent months in detailed negotiations with a potential client only for them to pull some real BS at the end, it doesn't sit right. Not because you didn't get the deal, but because that person/team/company used you. Yes it happens. Yes it's not always personal. It is douchey. It typically fosters animosity. It's also real life.

I'll end with this. I heard a very wealthy old man tell another wealthy, but slightly younger, man "There's more to life than just making money" recently. I looked away and smiled. Why? Because the older man was right and all three of us knew it. That's not to say that making moeny isn't important - it defintiely is. It's to say that at some point, the number is just the number. Do you really live all that differently making $700k per year vs $820k? I can do math and run investment calculators to "prove" a difference. I get that, but it's not the point. The point is the day to day living is no different. The house won't really be any bigger or nicer, same for the cars, the clothes, etc. The number of real friends won't changel. Relationships don't differ. WTF does this have to do with football and recruiting? If a recruit is chasnig the biggest bag and is also a bona fide five star with serious NFL aspirations, shouldn't the focus really be on the school that best develops the player? The serious long term money is in the NFL.

Bravo BDD, well said. In another time with another staff, this would have embarrassing and painful. And a kick to the nuts, however we are at the point where losing a good player becomes nothing more than culling the herd, moving on to another player that will move us forward. We don’t have to look over our shoulder anymore and think “ but what if”, it’s eyes on the next target, full steam ahead.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Bravo BDD, well said. In another time with another staff, this would have embarrassing and painful. And a kick to the nuts, however we are at the point where losing a good player becomes nothing more than culling the herd, moving on to another player that will move us forward. We don’t have to look over our shoulder anymore and think “ but what if”, it’s eyes on the next target, full steam ahead.

Gracias

 

[SinisterCane]

True, and the staff probably feel they’re good with the two they have locked in. But that QB sneak, I believe it was Mesidor or Bain who said that play was a blown call, miscommunication.

QB went right through them on a 4th and 5 I beleive

 

[Groz73Cane]

Bravo BDD, well said. In another time with another staff, this would have embarrassing and painful. And a kick to the nuts, however we are at the point where losing a good player becomes nothing more than culling the herd, moving on to another player that will move us forward. We don’t have to look over our shoulder anymore and think “ but what if”, it’s eyes on the next target, full steam ahead.

Gracias

De Nada

 

[CaneManeShane727]

Somewhere between "treating it like a business decision" and being a greedy clown is the truth. Each situation is different. Each player is different. Some of the tactics used are just that - tactics and while leverage and strengths will always be used to drive up or drive down the price (depending on which side of the negotiation you are on), creating/fabricating more perceived leverage while combining moving goalposts are when I say no thank you.

There's a ton of naunce in what I just wrote. I'm not looking for an argument and you're more than welcome to disagree. I also have decades of experience negotiating deals with all sorts of walks of life and at all sorts of levels. I mention this not to flex (I'm just a regular old guy in real life). I mention it because if you've ever spent months in detailed negotiations with a potential client only for them to pull some real BS at the end, it doesn't sit right. Not because you didn't get the deal, but because that person/team/company used you. Yes it happens. Yes it's not always personal. It is douchey. It typically fosters animosity. It's also real life.

I'll end with this. I heard a very wealthy old man tell another wealthy, but slightly younger, man "There's more to life than just making money" recently. I looked away and smiled. Why? Because the older man was right and all three of us knew it. That's not to say that making moeny isn't important - it defintiely is. It's to say that at some point, the number is just the number. Do you really live all that differently making $700k per year vs $820k? I can do math and run investment calculators to "prove" a difference. I get that, but it's not the point. The point is the day to day living is no different. The house won't really be any bigger or nicer, same for the cars, the clothes, etc. The number of real friends won't changel. Relationships don't differ. WTF does this have to do with football and recruiting? If a recruit is chasnig the biggest bag and is also a bona fide five star with serious NFL aspirations, shouldn't the focus really be on the school that best develops the player? The serious long term money is in the NFL.

Timeless take OG. You've definitely been endowed with life experience and perspective.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Somewhere between "treating it like a business decision" and being a greedy clown is the truth. Each situation is different. Each player is different. Some of the tactics used are just that - tactics and while leverage and strengths will always be used to drive up or drive down the price (depending on which side of the negotiation you are on), creating/fabricating more perceived leverage while combining moving goalposts are when I say no thank you.

There's a ton of naunce in what I just wrote. I'm not looking for an argument and you're more than welcome to disagree. I also have decades of experience negotiating deals with all sorts of walks of life and at all sorts of levels. I mention this not to flex (I'm just a regular old guy in real life). I mention it because if you've ever spent months in detailed negotiations with a potential client only for them to pull some real BS at the end, it doesn't sit right. Not because you didn't get the deal, but because that person/team/company used you. Yes it happens. Yes it's not always personal. It is douchey. It typically fosters animosity. It's also real life.

I'll end with this. I heard a very wealthy old man tell another wealthy, but slightly younger, man "There's more to life than just making money" recently. I looked away and smiled. Why? Because the older man was right and all three of us knew it. That's not to say that making moeny isn't important - it defintiely is. It's to say that at some point, the number is just the number. Do you really live all that differently making $700k per year vs $820k? I can do math and run investment calculators to "prove" a difference. I get that, but it's not the point. The point is the day to day living is no different. The house won't really be any bigger or nicer, same for the cars, the clothes, etc. The number of real friends won't changel. Relationships don't differ. WTF does this have to do with football and recruiting? If a recruit is chasnig the biggest bag and is also a bona fide five star with serious NFL aspirations, shouldn't the focus really be on the school that best develops the player? The serious long term money is in the NFL.

Timeless take OG. You've definitely been endowed with life experience and perspective.

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or serious. Either way thank you. I am blessed in many ways, my (untrue) user name not withstanding.

 

[NicKane]

Sam Brooks and Malik Bryant come to mind on pass rushers who could translate to linebacker. ****, even Matthew Thomas back in the day was all world 5star who didn't live up to the hype when he transioned to linebacker.

100% my friend, the task of turning those type of players into quality linebackers is very rare. Very rare. We got our guys and both of them are actual linebackers and I’m happy with that.

 

[Carolinacane83]

100% my friend, the task of turning those type of players into quality linebackers is very rare. Very rare. We got our guys and both of them are actual linebackers and I’m happy with that.

 

[Gobuxcanes]

Henderson may turn out to be great but on the whole Tampa Jesuit guys haven’t really blown up in college. K Jay Feely had probably best career. Malik Davis is Hillsborough county’s all time leading rusher but subpar at UF due to injuries.

 

[DocCane407]

Hey, bottom line, kids treating it like a business decision and Miami's doing the same. Mario has shown he won't overspend except for premium positions and LB isn't premium.

Somewhere between "treating it like a business decision" and being a greedy clown is the truth. Each situation is different. Each player is different. Some of the tactics used are just that - tactics and while leverage and strengths will always be used to drive up or drive down the price (depending on which side of the negotiation you are on), creating/fabricating more perceived leverage while combining moving goalposts are when I say no thank you.

There's a ton of naunce in what I just wrote. I'm not looking for an argument and you're more than welcome to disagree. I also have decades of experience negotiating deals with all sorts of walks of life and at all sorts of levels. I mention this not to flex (I'm just a regular old guy in real life). I mention it because if you've ever spent months in detailed negotiations with a potential client only for them to pull some real BS at the end, it doesn't sit right. Not because you didn't get the deal, but because that person/team/company used you. Yes it happens. Yes it's not always personal. It is douchey. It typically fosters animosity. It's also real life.

I'll end with this. I heard a very wealthy old man tell another wealthy, but slightly younger, man "There's more to life than just making money" recently. I looked away and smiled. Why? Because the older man was right and all three of us knew it. That's not to say that making moeny isn't important - it defintiely is. It's to say that at some point, the number is just the number. Do you really live all that differently making $700k per year vs $820k? I can do math and run investment calculators to "prove" a difference. I get that, but it's not the point. The point is the day to day living is no different. The house won't really be any bigger or nicer, same for the cars, the clothes, etc. The number of real friends won't changel. Relationships don't differ. WTF does this have to do with football and recruiting? If a recruit is chasnig the biggest bag and is also a bona fide five star with serious NFL aspirations, shouldn't the focus really be on the school that best develops the player? The serious long term money is in the NFL.

Meh! Coaches are deali g with 16-18 year old kids, many of whom have never had any real money. And a lot of times the parents are just as stunned by the money as the kid. So I can see it either way. If the kid, in this case a linebacker, plays a position Mario wont overspend on, and money is his driving force, we should back off. Let the kid make an "Elko Error" like Matthews. The kids we have are 110% Hurricanes. That builds culture and tradition.