Joe Yearby

[marshallrc13]

They need to let him reenroll for free so these kids have a living breathing example of how leaving too early can blow up in their face.

My guess is they will do so and that his efforts to get back in classes has probably been cursory at best so far with maybe some lower level person in financial aid or at the registrar's office just being like "Well it's not showing here that you're currently on any type of scholarship....".

Not saying how they should do it one way or the other because I don't know all the details but your theory is backwards. If they want to show how leaving early could blow up in your face wouldn't making him pay if he re-enrolls do that? I mean if they just let him come back what kind of punishment/lesson does it teach them for leaving before they are ready?

Well you're assuming he would/could pay and are adding a punishment angle that I'm really not pursuing.

Jackson mentioned in the article that the players may be enticed to leave because they're inundated with former players/NFL stars that show back up and are obviously living opulent lifestyles. I think that assertion was a bit of a stretch but I don't think it'd hurt to also have guys like Yearby and potentially Kaaya also around as counter-examples.

Sure, some might feel like they have nothing to lose as they can always come back for free but at this point I'm more concerned in dispelling the obvious widespread fantasy down there that everyone gets paid. It'd probably also help to have those guys around to warn about trusting the sunshine and roses that agents are pumping.

To Svengali taking the slavery angle that's way off base and nothing close to what I was getting at. Anyone that took it that way needs comprehension skill upgrades. Not how I roll.

And to TAD, I mean it's one of those things. He went there for free to provide a service (football). He is no longer providing that service. Now that probably leads to what Svengali was getting at but it is what it is. Supposedly he didn't meet certain requirements. I think they should be able to come back any time he wants and finish.

But to OP, they were saying they need to learn a lesson and I was saying that one way to do so is to punish them by making them pay like most others students since that is essentially what he is trying to be.

Joe made a big mistake. And people like us that follow the program know why he made that mistake. He was trying to feed his kids. Don't blame him for trying but he was advised to come back and he could have finished and this would be a moot point. I hope they let him do it.

 

[JefeGringo]

Kinda knocks the whole “they jus tryna feed they families” argument out of the park, now doesn’t it. He wasn’t the first and won’t be the last. I hope UM and Yearby can figure it out, and I doubt anyone here knows the details of the program/policy and the exact situation involved.

 

[QuattroCane]

Simple question if you attend Miami on an academic scholarship and decide to leave school and take a job can you return for free?
Anyone defending these guys is quite honestly full of ****, time to hold people accountable for their actions. If you're a grown man and can make your own decisions then you're old enough to live with the results.

 

[OldhamA]

These are grown *** men. Its no ones responsibility to give them adequate advice.

From what the media has said, Richt gave them sound, realistic advice.

If they left anyway, thats on them.

Look, we all agree that Yearby was an idiot. I don't know who was advising him, but I hope they're out of his life now.

That said, we're not Alabama. If you put on for this U - whether you're Ray Lewis or Jahair Jones - you're part of the family. It's part of what makes this university so special.

Yearby made a mistake. Don't compound that mistake by being petty. Let him come back and earn his degree.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

Wasnt Gator dad of the year allowed to return years later and get his degree free of charge ?

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

They need to let him reenroll for free so these kids have a living breathing example of how leaving too early can blow up in their face.

My guess is they will do so and that his efforts to get back in classes has probably been cursory at best so far with maybe some lower level person in financial aid or at the registrar's office just being like "Well it's not showing here that you're currently on any type of scholarship....".

Not saying how they should do it one way or the other because I don't know all the details but your theory is backwards. If they want to show how leaving early could blow up in your face wouldn't making him pay if he re-enrolls do that? I mean if they just let him come back what kind of punishment/lesson does it teach them for leaving before they are ready?

That's right...punish the slave that ran away. Teach him a lesson so the others don't try to escape! We own them

Ridiculous comparison. Nobodies forced anybody to do anything. Football player compensation is a different issue. But using the slaver analogy? That’s just dumb and insulting, especially to actual slaves, both historically and currently in other parts of the world.

Whatever, man. I made the analogy because guys are talking as if Miami owns these players as if they are slaves or chattel (e.g., teach him lesson for running away so others wont do it, etc). GTFOH!

Give these dudes lifetime scholarships. Bottom line. Kentucky does it, and Miami can do it.

Why punish the kid by limiting his education options after he's already helped bring in 10's of millions of dollars? Miami claims to be about service giving back to the S. Florida community, so show and prove. You uplift the community by educating this former student athlete, because he may in turn give back and help someone else; it's a feedback loop

And I’m telling you Miami has a similar policy.

But it requires certain things from the student which apparently he is unwilling to complete,

Plenty of players have come back and gotten their degrees.

My guess is that Yearby was not in good academic standing when he left and somehow that’s limiting him.

But neither you nor I know the circumstances, so why do you automatically take the side of someone who has shown to make every wrong decision so far, when UM is known for providing the education at no cost for athletes that return?

Clearly, there’s a lot more to this story so don’t jump to conclusions.

 

[NJshoreCane]

Do we know if Yearby was advised of his options and/or scholarship limitations when he left?

 

[umiamifan1]

Finding it difficult to feel sorry for kids who went against the advice of their school. It's expected that young people will make mistakes, but it's also expected that facing the consequences of those mistakes will help them learn not to make them again.

 

[CAT5Coming]

Really a sad situation filled with regret for both Yearby and the Canes, but the reason he should be allowed to continue to complete his education for no cost is pretty simple, it's what Josh Rosen was arguing before the season. If players are not going to paid by a school and thus their compensation is their education, they have to be given more time than non-student athletes to complete their studies. When you are playing on a major sports team in the NCAA you have to focus on the team and academics take a back seat and so you get a sub-par opportunity to actually study and learn. If you give the kids all the time in the world to finish their degrees you truly do give them something of value, a REAL EDUCATION and not some bullsh*t degree that was 80% completed by academic advisers, and you can make a better case for amateurism. But the current system is clearly exploitative when the schools make millions and the amateur athletes can't capitalize on their compensation(their education) when they get the chance, thus doubly F'n em.

Hope they work it out and Joe keeps working towards a degree.

 

[TheSwagger1]

One thing I'd hoped with Richt is that he would be a father figure type who kids could trust and help prevent them from making stupid decisions. Doesn't look like that has materialized, at all. These kids are incredibly naive and we better get it figured out. We aren't losing out on kids to the NFL, we're losing out on kids to practice squads and forced retirement from the sport.

Do you have children?

Can you explain to me what Richt could have done differently, and what you are aware of he didn’t do?

You do realize he has around 80 children to “father” don’t you? On top of running a major P5 football program, fundraising, managing his assistants, meeting with boosters, fulfilling his administrative duties, recruiting, etc.?

What more could he have done to prevent Yearby from making his litany of stupid decisions? Been there before he inserted his ***** to personally place a condom on him? Held his hand and made sure he made it to all his classes.

Tell me specifically what he could have done to better fulfill his “father” role.

I said I'd hoped he would be instrumental in preventing this kind of thing and that the wish hasn't materialized. I'm not aware of his pyschological tactics and frankly I don't care what methods he employs. I hope you're getting paid for the white knighting around here, because you seem legitimately hurt that people think differently about you about various things and it's unfortunate it seems so personal.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Finding it difficult to feel sorry for kids who went against the advice of their school. It's expected that young people will make mistakes, but it's also expected that facing the consequences of those mistakes will help them learn not to make them again.

This ^^^ is the exact wrong view (not calling you out; just seen it way too many times).

It has nothing to do with with whether Yearby’s decision was good or not - he could be an athlete trying to return after a 15-year NFL career. It’s about whether or not Miami allows scholarship football players to return at any time to finish their degree - something many other schools, including Miami has done. That’s it.

Maybe there’s more to the story preventing Yearby from enrolling (likely), maybe Miami changed their policy (doubtful), but if Miami were to change to a policy of “Well, we told you not to go Pro so now you have to pay” Miami would be at a competitive disadvantage to all the schools that do offer it. It’s like Ford deciding they were no longer going to offer warranties. Not good business.

Anyway, hopefully this will be worked out or explained to Yearby quickly. But, the fact that HE SAYS he wants to complete his degree means that he has one more person in his corner rooting for him, me.

“U family” has to mean something.

 

[the storm]

LOL.

I thought Miami offered a life-long scholarship if guys decided to leave early.

 

[AM313]

my understanding (which could be completely wrong) was that when former players want to come back and finish their degrees ie Yearby, the tuition is covered but they don't get books/fees/housing etc covered as they would if they were still on the team. maybe someone can clarify, but can see why even that might be a deterrent as even commuting (as I imagine someone like yearby would be) that stuff all adds up, things like books and other misc fees they took for granted while students and on the team

 

[txcanes]

If they get that Money. Yearby has gotten zero dollars.

 

[txcanes]

Amen - there is more to this story.

 

[txcanes]

Amen

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

One thing I'd hoped with Richt is that he would be a father figure type who kids could trust and help prevent them from making stupid decisions. Doesn't look like that has materialized, at all. These kids are incredibly naive and we better get it figured out. We aren't losing out on kids to the NFL, we're losing out on kids to practice squads and forced retirement from the sport.

Do you have children?

Can you explain to me what Richt could have done differently, and what you are aware of he didn’t do?

You do realize he has around 80 children to “father” don’t you? On top of running a major P5 football program, fundraising, managing his assistants, meeting with boosters, fulfilling his administrative duties, recruiting, etc.?

What more could he have done to prevent Yearby from making his litany of stupid decisions? Been there before he inserted his ***** to personally place a condom on him? Held his hand and made sure he made it to all his classes.

Tell me specifically what he could have done to better fulfill his “father” role.

I said I'd hoped he would be instrumental in preventing this kind of thing and that the wish hasn't materialized. I'm not aware of his pyschological tactics and frankly I don't care what methods he employs. I hope you're getting paid for the white knighting around here, because you seem legitimately hurt that people think differently about you about various things and it's unfortunate it seems so personal.

And I hope you take a moment to think things through, rather than come to frivolous, shallow conclusions based on zero information other than a few words in a newspaper article..

Had you offered a reasonable opinion based on something more than just jumping to a conclusion based on basically no knowledge of the situation, I would have more respect for your opinion. You call it “white knighting”, I call it trying to look at the totality of the situation rather than jumping to an immature, uninformed and emotional assumption based on virtually no information.

 

[IndayArtHauz]

One thing I'd hoped with Richt is that he would be a father figure type who kids could trust and help prevent them from making stupid decisions. Doesn't look like that has materialized, at all. These kids are incredibly naive and we better get it figured out. We aren't losing out on kids to the NFL, we're losing out on kids to practice squads and forced retirement from the sport.

I think we need another year or two to know if Richt will be effective in that regard. The guys leaving are not (yet) the ones he brought into the program, they’re not the ones he set expectations with while they were still in HS. In another year or two we may still have these problems, but as of right now I’m willing to say he could still be able to keep kids home over time.

 

[TheSwagger1]

One thing I'd hoped with Richt is that he would be a father figure type who kids could trust and help prevent them from making stupid decisions. Doesn't look like that has materialized, at all. These kids are incredibly naive and we better get it figured out. We aren't losing out on kids to the NFL, we're losing out on kids to practice squads and forced retirement from the sport.

Do you have children?

Can you explain to me what Richt could have done differently, and what you are aware of he didn’t do?

You do realize he has around 80 children to “father” don’t you? On top of running a major P5 football program, fundraising, managing his assistants, meeting with boosters, fulfilling his administrative duties, recruiting, etc.?

What more could he have done to prevent Yearby from making his litany of stupid decisions? Been there before he inserted his ***** to personally place a condom on him? Held his hand and made sure he made it to all his classes.

Tell me specifically what he could have done to better fulfill his “father” role.

I said I'd hoped he would be instrumental in preventing this kind of thing and that the wish hasn't materialized. I'm not aware of his pyschological tactics and frankly I don't care what methods he employs. I hope you're getting paid for the white knighting around here, because you seem legitimately hurt that people think differently about you about various things and it's unfortunate it seems so personal.

And I hope you take a moment to think things through, rather than come to frivolous, shallow conclusions based on zero information other than a few words in a newspaper article..

Had you offered a reasonable opinion based on something more than just jumping to a conclusion based on basically no knowledge of the situation, I would have more respect for your opinion. You call it “white knighting”, I call it trying to look at the totality of the situation rather than jumping to an immature, uninformed and emotional assumption based on virtually no information.

Kids are bailing and making bad decisions. I opined that I'd hoped Richt would have been able to curb that. Bottom line - he hasn't so far. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want about what's happening between point A and B. Whatever details you'd like to list out won't matter on draft day - our kids will be there (we hope).

 

[tcgrad1014]

Simple question if you attend Miami on an academic scholarship and decide to leave school and take a job can you return for free?
Anyone defending these guys is quite honestly full of ****, time to hold people accountable for their actions. If you're a grown man and can make your own decisions then you're old enough to live with the results.

It's not that black and white though. UM made money off of Yearby. He put his body on the line (see Malek Young et al for what the risk is) for free. CFB players are players first second and third and students fourth. They are essentially indentured servants to the college. You can't compare that to a kid on academic scholarship. UM isn't selling tickets, merchandise etc. off of a kid on academic scholarship. Yearby making horrible life decisions repeatedly doesn't change the fact that UM owes him something for his 3 years. Maybe there's more to the story, but the school should pay his tuition.