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2026 Jackson Cantwell 5* OT from Nixa, MO

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TheOriginalCane said:
Even @Rellyrell can fall into the "commitment date" trap on Mario's last Oregon recruiting class/Lanning's first Oregon recruiting class. I am more than willing to give Lanning credit for recruits that had never previously considered or visited Oregon before Lanning was hired (especially Portal guys). But I'm also not going to give Lanning sole credit for guys that Mario recruited for years and who were just about to pull the trigger for Oregon, but needed a little more time to get to know Lanning before locking in, just because of "commitment date".
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Really surprised I missed this response. So let me 1st say this is no offense to u, but I think u need to understand two elements here:

1. I’m not an avg. poster on this board. I’ve had more youngins than a little bit play D-1 ball including one, currently, who is now at UNC; so I’m more than familiar w how recruiting works.

2. Know when I post dogmatically, I’m not posting just random b.s. Anything Nike, Oregon, or USC related & there’s a high probability I know more than I let on, & those in my PM know, know.

So let’s 1st discuss recruiting in general:

It used to b mostly about relationships, but now we know NIL is a huge component. However, since 2022 wasn’t the wild, wild West as we know it to be today, let’s focus on the relationship aspect of recruiting, as that’s most applicable during this timeframe:

-Just b/c Coach A develops a relationship w/ Recruit A while he’s employed at School A doesn’t mean Recruit A will commit. We know this b/c if this was the case, every coach would be batting 1.000 in recruiting.

-W/ that said, y is it advantageous to go by “commit date?” B/c if Coach A couldn’t seal the deal for Recruits A, B, C etc. w/in a full recruiting cycle, including ESD, but their predecessor (Coach B) comes in to seal the deal, that Coach deserves that credit. It’s no different than if Coach A takes a new job at School B, & now Recruits A, B, C, etc. follows him. It means his relationship was so strong w the recruit & their team, they followed him.

-On the other hand, It’s a whole different story if that same Coach A gets Recruits A,B, C etc. to commit to School A, but after moving on to School B, all his predecessor has to do is maintain status quo.

Now that we got that out the way, here’s the fallacy in trying to give credit to Mario for the following recruits Lanning secured:

1. Connerly: Never OV’d to Oregon w/ Mario; BUT, he did OV to Miami when Mario became HC. He OV’d to Miami, USC, & UO w/ Lanning. The battle at the end was Miami & USC, w USC getting the CB; yet, Lanning snatched him! So how do u not give him credit for this when Mario had his first OV?

2. James: Was actually committed to UGA, & didn’t receive an offer to UO until AFTER Lanning was hired. Lanning flipped him, so how do u not give Lanning credit for this?

3. Luli: Committed to Mario at UO, then de-committed after Mario left. He OV’d to Miami w/ Mario, yet Lanning got him to re-commit. So how do u not give Lanning credit for this?

4. Florence: Another guy who committed to Mario at UO. He de-commits after Mario leaves. He OV’s to Miami w/ Mario, yet once again, Lanning got him to re-commit. Again, how do u not give Lanning credit for this?

5. Terrell: Didn’t even receive an offer from UO until AFTER Lanning was hired; how does he not get credit for this?

6. Kasper: Offered by Mario twice, once at Oregon, & again at Miami. Kasper didn’t sign at ESD or NSD, but the competition was actually UTenn; yet, it was Lanning who pulled him. So how did this kid pass on Mario twice & choose Lanning? Better yet, how is Lanning not credited for this?

7. Lowe: Lowe was a Utah commit. Lanning worked to flip him AFTER ESD, and sealed his commitment on NSD. So how is he not credited for this?

8. Rogers: Wasn’t even on Mario’s radar; was offered AFTER Lanning took the job & secured his commitment ASAP. Again, how is this not credited to Lanning, again?

9. Dunne: P from Australia. Offered a scholly AFTER Lanning was hired. How is this not credited to him?

10. Winston: Committed to Mario in 2020, de-committed after Mario left for Miami. He was a UF v. UW battle down the home stretch, & Lanning got him to OV to re-secure his commitment. How is Lanning not credited for this?

So let’s recap:

Out of the 55% that comprised UO’s class of ‘22
-4 of the 10 didn’t receive an offer from Mario
-3 were de-commits
-2 were de-commits that OV’d to Miami & still re-committed
-2 were flips from other programs
-2 were offered twice by Mario, & chose Lanning after NSD

I repeat:
1. These unsubstantiated narratives have to stop
2. The difference makers from the Class of ‘22 is all Lanning EXCEPT Devon Jackson who committed to Mario & remained a Duck.

To put a bow on this:
•All of Mario’s recruits that committed & remained were all shipped out except for Jackson, & they’re all buns bouncing from program to program or have gotten stuck in the portal.
 
Rellyrell said:
Really surprised I missed this response. So let me 1st say this is no offense to u, but I think u need to understand two elements here:

1. I’m not an avg. poster on this board. I’ve had more youngins than a little bit play D-1 ball including one, currently, who is now at UNC; so I’m more than familiar w how recruiting works.

2. Know when I post dogmatically, I’m not posting just random b.s. Anything Nike, Oregon, or USC related & there’s a high probability I know more than I let on, & those in my PM know, know.

So let’s 1st discuss recruiting in general:

It used to b mostly about relationships, but now we know NIL is a huge component. However, since 2022 wasn’t the wild, wild West as we know it to be today, let’s focus on the relationship aspect of recruiting, as that’s most applicable during this timeframe:

-Just b/c Coach A develops a relationship w/ Recruit A while he’s employed at School A doesn’t mean Recruit A will commit. We know this b/c if this was the case, every coach would be batting 1.000 in recruiting.

-W/ that said, y is it advantageous to go by “commit date?” B/c if Coach A couldn’t seal the deal for Recruits A, B, C etc. w/in a full recruiting cycle, including ESD, but their predecessor (Coach B) comes in to seal the deal, that Coach deserves that credit. It’s no different than if Coach A takes a new job at School B, & now Recruits A, B, C, etc. follows him. It means his relationship was so strong w the recruit & their team, they followed him.

-On the other hand, It’s a whole different story if that same Coach A gets Recruits A,B, C etc. to commit to School A, but after moving on to School B, all his predecessor has to do is maintain status quo.

Now that we got that out the way, here’s the fallacy in trying to give credit to Mario for the following recruits Lanning secured:

1. Connerly: Never OV’d to Oregon w/ Mario; BUT, he did OV to Miami when Mario became HC. He OV’d to Miami, USC, & UO w/ Lanning. The battle at the end was Miami & USC, w USC getting the CB; yet, Lanning snatched him! So how do u not give him credit for this when Mario had his first OV?

2. James: Was actually committed to UGA, & didn’t receive an offer to UO until AFTER Lanning was hired. Lanning flipped him, so how do u not give Lanning credit for this?

3. Luli: Committed to Mario at UO, then de-committed after Mario left. He OV’d to Miami w/ Mario, yet Lanning got him to re-commit. So how do u not give Lanning credit for this?

4. Florence: Another guy who committed to Mario at UO. He de-commits after Mario leaves. He OV’s to Miami w/ Mario, yet once again, Lanning got him to re-commit. Again, how do u not give Lanning credit for this?

5. Terrell: Didn’t even receive an offer from UO until AFTER Lanning was hired; how does he not get credit for this?

6. Kasper: Offered by Mario twice, once at Oregon, & again at Miami. Kasper didn’t sign at ESD or NSD, but the competition was actually UTenn; yet, it was Lanning who pulled him. So how did this kid pass on Mario twice & choose Lanning? Better yet, how is Lanning not credited for this?

7. Lowe: Lowe was a Utah commit. Lanning worked to flip him AFTER ESD, and sealed his commitment on NSD. So how is he not credited for this?

8. Rogers: Wasn’t even on Mario’s radar; was offered AFTER Lanning took the job & secured his commitment ASAP. Again, how is this not credited to Lanning, again?

9. Dunne: P from Australia. Offered a scholly AFTER Lanning was hired. How is this not credited to him?

10. Winston: Committed to Mario in 2020, de-committed after Mario left for Miami. He was a UF v. UW battle down the home stretch, & Lanning got him to OV to re-secure his commitment. How is Lanning not credited for this?

So let’s recap:

Out of the 55% that comprised UO’s class of ‘22
-4 of the 10 didn’t receive an offer from Mario
-3 were de-commits
-2 were de-commits that OV’d to Miami & still re-committed
-2 were flips from other programs
-2 were offered twice by Mario, & chose Lanning after NSD

I repeat:
1. These unsubstantiated narratives have to stop
2. The difference makers from the Class of ‘22 is all Lanning EXCEPT Devon Jackson who committed to Mario & remained a Duck.

To put a bow on this:
•All of Mario’s recruits that committed & remained were all shipped out except for Jackson, & they’re all buns bouncing from program to program or have gotten stuck in the portal.
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pacusmc said:
This place folds faster than a Japanese autistic kid at an origami camp.
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We have a guy at work who tries to avoid taking on any challenging assignments. It's probably for the best since he does very basic stuff very well, but anything that requires additional effort, he's not the best choice. We keep suggesting him for any unusual tasks just to watch him squirm a little before the owner lets him off the hook and then tease him about getting out of work.

I'm shamelessly stealing this line to use on him.
 
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I’m still confused why we are talking about Mario from the past when we can quite literally look at how bad his 2022 and 2023 classes are that are right in front of our faces

Or wait…I think I just answered my own question
 
JHallCanes said:
I’m still confused why we are talking about Mario from the past when we can quite literally look at how bad his 2022 and 2023 classes are that are right in front of our faces

Or wait…I think I just answered my own question
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bc that doesnt fit his elite recruiter status.

i would say his development and evals have been poor. so far, those highly ranked classes are looking like paper tigers. tbh, its even worse that we gave up on kids after a single season multiple times.
 
If/once we lose out on Cantwell, do we quickly pivot to secure Johhnie Jones? I don't want to slow play him b/c we are chasing after Cinderella for too long. Ervin/Jones class, along with some bully interiors will help save this OL class. But, I fear that even the IOL dudes are a bit of reaches. We absolutely HAVE to nail OL recruiting this cycle.
 
hoops156 said:
bc that doesnt fit his elite recruiter status.

i would say his development and evals have been poor. so far, those highly ranked classes are looking like paper tigers. tbh, its even worse that we gave up on kids after a single season multiple times.
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he’s been an extremely expensive OL coach to this point
 
JHallCanes said:
I’m still confused why we are talking about Mario from the past when we can quite literally look at how bad his 2022 and 2023 classes are that are right in front of our faces

Or wait…I think I just answered my own question
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2022 is irrelevant, and I'd say the same thing if there were hits in that class. Some can disagree, that's fine, but to me, his recruiting resume here starts with the 2023 class.

If you're talking strictly OL, in that class he signed 5 kids:

Mauigoa -- A gigantic recruiting win, pulled him over every other program in America and will be a Day 1 pick
Okunlola -- Still on the roster, done nothing yet in 2 years. But is still here and has 3 years of eligibility left.
Tripp -- Transferred to FIU, clearly a miss
Kinsler -- Big win in recruiting, the gator wanted him desperately, hasn't played yet. 3 years of eligibility remaining, D mentioned him as a kid who looked much improved in the spring. We'll see.
Tinilau -- Developmental kid, portal, no idea where he is now actually

So he got 5, one is a Day 1 pick, 2 others are still on the roster entering Year 3. Two are gone. Okunlola or Kinsler need to develop into and become a starter or you have to consider this a poor haul, even with one of the kids being a Top half of Round 1 player. If you can sign 5 in a class, one is a high Day 1 pick and 1 more is a good starter, that's a win, to me. But Okunlola and Kinsler have to make that jump or this is just Mauigoa and a bunch of nothing.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
2022 is irrelevant, and I'd say the same thing if there were hits in that class. Some can disagree, that's fine, but to me, his recruiting resume here starts with the 2023 class.

If you're talking strictly OL, in that class he signed 5 kids:

Mauigoa -- A gigantic recruiting win, pulled him over every other program in America and will be a Day 1 pick
Okunlola -- Still on the roster, done nothing yet in 2 years. But is still here and has 3 years of eligibility left.
Tripp -- Transferred to FIU, clearly a miss
Kinsler -- Big win in recruiting, the gator wanted him desperately, hasn't played yet. 3 years of eligibility remaining, D mentioned him as a kid who looked much improved in the spring. We'll see.
Tinilau -- Developmental kid, portal, no idea where he is now actually

So he got 5, one is a Day 1 pick, 2 others are still on the roster entering Year 3. Two are gone. Okunlola or Kinsler need to develop into and become a starter or you have to consider this a poor haul, even with one of the kids being a Top half of Round 1 player. If you can sign 5 in a class, one is a high Day 1 pick and 1 more is a good starter, that's a win, to me. But Okunlola and Kinsler have to make that jump or this is just Mauigoa and a bunch of nothing.
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I feel like I’ve made this exact post a few times when the elite status of our evals gets questioned

Obviously only a true miserable piece of **** would knock Mario for OL play, but not sure where this narrative comes from that there’s no questions out there about it

Big year for several of those guys for sure. I also include the portal when we talk recruiting and evals though and they’ve done a solid job there filling needs
 
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Rellyrell said:
Really surprised I missed this response. So let me 1st say this is no offense to u, but I think u need to understand two elements here:

1. I’m not an avg. poster on this board. I’ve had more youngins than a little bit play D-1 ball including one, currently, who is now at UNC; so I’m more than familiar w how recruiting works.

2. Know when I post dogmatically, I’m not posting just random b.s. Anything Nike, Oregon, or USC related & there’s a high probability I know more than I let on, & those in my PM know, know.

So let’s 1st discuss recruiting in general:

It used to b mostly about relationships, but now we know NIL is a huge component. However, since 2022 wasn’t the wild, wild West as we know it to be today, let’s focus on the relationship aspect of recruiting, as that’s most applicable during this timeframe:

-Just b/c Coach A develops a relationship w/ Recruit A while he’s employed at School A doesn’t mean Recruit A will commit. We know this b/c if this was the case, every coach would be batting 1.000 in recruiting.

-W/ that said, y is it advantageous to go by “commit date?” B/c if Coach A couldn’t seal the deal for Recruits A, B, C etc. w/in a full recruiting cycle, including ESD, but their predecessor (Coach B) comes in to seal the deal, that Coach deserves that credit. It’s no different than if Coach A takes a new job at School B, & now Recruits A, B, C, etc. follows him. It means his relationship was so strong w the recruit & their team, they followed him.

-On the other hand, It’s a whole different story if that same Coach A gets Recruits A,B, C etc. to commit to School A, but after moving on to School B, all his predecessor has to do is maintain status quo.

Now that we got that out the way, here’s the fallacy in trying to give credit to Mario for the following recruits Lanning secured:

1. Connerly: Never OV’d to Oregon w/ Mario; BUT, he did OV to Miami when Mario became HC. He OV’d to Miami, USC, & UO w/ Lanning. The battle at the end was Miami & USC, w USC getting the CB; yet, Lanning snatched him! So how do u not give him credit for this when Mario had his first OV?

2. James: Was actually committed to UGA, & didn’t receive an offer to UO until AFTER Lanning was hired. Lanning flipped him, so how do u not give Lanning credit for this?

3. Luli: Committed to Mario at UO, then de-committed after Mario left. He OV’d to Miami w/ Mario, yet Lanning got him to re-commit. So how do u not give Lanning credit for this?

4. Florence: Another guy who committed to Mario at UO. He de-commits after Mario leaves. He OV’s to Miami w/ Mario, yet once again, Lanning got him to re-commit. Again, how do u not give Lanning credit for this?

5. Terrell: Didn’t even receive an offer from UO until AFTER Lanning was hired; how does he not get credit for this?

6. Kasper: Offered by Mario twice, once at Oregon, & again at Miami. Kasper didn’t sign at ESD or NSD, but the competition was actually UTenn; yet, it was Lanning who pulled him. So how did this kid pass on Mario twice & choose Lanning? Better yet, how is Lanning not credited for this?

7. Lowe: Lowe was a Utah commit. Lanning worked to flip him AFTER ESD, and sealed his commitment on NSD. So how is he not credited for this?

8. Rogers: Wasn’t even on Mario’s radar; was offered AFTER Lanning took the job & secured his commitment ASAP. Again, how is this not credited to Lanning, again?

9. Dunne: P from Australia. Offered a scholly AFTER Lanning was hired. How is this not credited to him?

10. Winston: Committed to Mario in 2020, de-committed after Mario left for Miami. He was a UF v. UW battle down the home stretch, & Lanning got him to OV to re-secure his commitment. How is Lanning not credited for this?

So let’s recap:

Out of the 55% that comprised UO’s class of ‘22
-4 of the 10 didn’t receive an offer from Mario
-3 were de-commits
-2 were de-commits that OV’d to Miami & still re-committed
-2 were flips from other programs
-2 were offered twice by Mario, & chose Lanning after NSD

I repeat:
1. These unsubstantiated narratives have to stop
2. The difference makers from the Class of ‘22 is all Lanning EXCEPT Devon Jackson who committed to Mario & remained a Duck.

To put a bow on this:
•All of Mario’s recruits that committed & remained were all shipped out except for Jackson, & they’re all buns bouncing from program to program or have gotten stuck in the portal.
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
2022 is irrelevant, and I'd say the same thing if there were hits in that class. Some can disagree, that's fine, but to me, his recruiting resume here starts with the 2023 class.

If you're talking strictly OL, in that class he signed 5 kids:

Mauigoa -- A gigantic recruiting win, pulled him over every other program in America and will be a Day 1 pick
Okunlola -- Still on the roster, done nothing yet in 2 years. But is still here and has 3 years of eligibility left.
Tripp -- Transferred to FIU, clearly a miss
Kinsler -- Big win in recruiting, the gator wanted him desperately, hasn't played yet. 3 years of eligibility remaining, D mentioned him as a kid who looked much improved in the spring. We'll see.
Tinilau -- Developmental kid, portal, no idea where he is now actually

So he got 5, one is a Day 1 pick, 2 others are still on the roster entering Year 3. Two are gone. Okunlola or Kinsler need to develop into and become a starter or you have to consider this a poor haul, even with one of the kids being a Top half of Round 1 player. If you can sign 5 in a class, one is a high Day 1 pick and 1 more is a good starter, that's a win, to me. But Okunlola and Kinsler have to make that jump or this is just Mauigoa and a bunch of nothing.
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Signing 1 and a possible out of 5 is a win? Interesting.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
2022 is irrelevant, and I'd say the same thing if there were hits in that class. Some can disagree, that's fine, but to me, his recruiting resume here starts with the 2023 class.

If you're talking strictly OL, in that class he signed 5 kids:

Mauigoa -- A gigantic recruiting win, pulled him over every other program in America and will be a Day 1 pick
Okunlola -- Still on the roster, done nothing yet in 2 years. But is still here and has 3 years of eligibility left.
Tripp -- Transferred to FIU, clearly a miss
Kinsler -- Big win in recruiting, the gator wanted him desperately, hasn't played yet. 3 years of eligibility remaining, D mentioned him as a kid who looked much improved in the spring. We'll see.
Tinilau -- Developmental kid, portal, no idea where he is now actually

So he got 5, one is a Day 1 pick, 2 others are still on the roster entering Year 3. Two are gone. Okunlola or Kinsler need to develop into and become a starter or you have to consider this a poor haul, even with one of the kids being a Top half of Round 1 player. If you can sign 5 in a class, one is a high Day 1 pick and 1 more is a good starter, that's a win, to me. But Okunlola and Kinsler have to make that jump or this is just Mauigoa and a bunch of nothing.
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I consider Samson a bust at this point. it's not that hes not Cisco, its that he doesn't even play really at all and got passed up by a transfer immediately.
 
hoops156 said:
I consider Samson a bust at this point. it's not that hes not Cisco, its that he doesn't even play really at all and got passed up by a transfer immediately.
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Hasn’t played. He’s still here. I’m with you though if he doesn’t play this year, in year 3, it’s almost certainly a bust. I guess you’d have a chance he’d stay and become some amazing player in Year 4, but the odds are slim and none on that.

So to me, this is the year. He’s a redshirt sophomore. And was injured one of his 2 years. There’s time to write the story but it’s running out.
 
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