ITT We Follow Potential 2015 Coaching Candidate Week 4

[The Franchise]

Honestly I don't see Herman leaving Houston after one year. Morris I think would leave. Fuente in his 3rd year would as well. Herman not so sure. They have a nice talent base to recruit from and he can turn them into a legit team. Will see.

If we make an aggressive offer I think he would leave. We would need to convince him that this is a destination job where he could build a dynasty or win a ring and go to the nfl

Nah.
Herman is a Texan.
He will probably sit tight in Houston and wait for one of the jobs to open with the big Texas schools or nearby Oklahoma.
Especially the one in Austin.
There is nothing for him in Coral Gables that he can't get at Houston right now, especially with regards to commitments.
Houston wants to have an excellent program, and they are WILLING to do something about it.
UM? LULZ.

As long as Houston isn't a power 5 program he really can't accomplish everything there that he could here.

I know everyone is rightfully down on UM, but it's a much better situation than Houston. Houston has been a stepping stone job forever--Briles and Sumlin come to mind. UM has only been a stepping stone to the NFL not to other colleges.

Pretty sure Herman was born and raised in Ohio wasn't he? He's smart to play up that "I love Texas" **** while he's there because that's what those rubes want to hear.

 

[The Franchise]

Honestly I don't see Herman leaving Houston after one year. Morris I think would leave. Fuente in his 3rd year would as well. Herman not so sure. They have a nice talent base to recruit from and he can turn them into a legit team. Will see.

If we make an aggressive offer I think he would leave. We would need to convince him that this is a destination job where he could build a dynasty or win a ring and go to the nfl

Nah.
Herman is a Texan.
He will probably sit tight in Houston and wait for one of the jobs to open with the big Texas schools or nearby Oklahoma.
Especially the one in Austin.
There is nothing for him in Coral Gables that he can't get at Houston right now, especially with regards to commitments.
Houston wants to have an excellent program, and they are WILLING to do something about it.
UM? LULZ.

you think Texas goes after him if they fire strong? Depending on how his season plays out of course

If Herman goes undefeated, getting Houston to a New Year's Day bowl, and Texas doesn't go to a bowl game ... Herman will be the Texas HC in 2016.

Texas will not accept being behind TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, TAMU, and Houston! Being 7th in the state won't fly! And if SMU finishes with a better record than Strong, there's now way he keeps his gig. SMU was 1-11 last season. SMU actually played TCU closer than Texas did ... And Morris is in year 1 ...

UT doesn't typically think that way. They will look to make a much bigger splash than Herman. They'll try to pull a Bama or Michigan and absolutely empty the bank on some huge name.

 

[King Slayer]

Honestly I don't see Herman leaving Houston after one year. Morris I think would leave. Fuente in his 3rd year would as well. Herman not so sure. They have a nice talent base to recruit from and he can turn them into a legit team. Will see.

If we make an aggressive offer I think he would leave. We would need to convince him that this is a destination job where he could build a dynasty or win a ring and go to the nfl

Nah.
Herman is a Texan.
He will probably sit tight in Houston and wait for one of the jobs to open with the big Texas schools or nearby Oklahoma.
Especially the one in Austin.
There is nothing for him in Coral Gables that he can't get at Houston right now, especially with regards to commitments.
Houston wants to have an excellent program, and they are WILLING to do something about it.
UM? LULZ.

He was born in Ohio and raised in Cali. He spent what 10 years of his life in Texas and now he is a Texan, lol.

 

[MedleyCane]

Honestly I don't see Herman leaving Houston after one year. Morris I think would leave. Fuente in his 3rd year would as well. Herman not so sure. They have a nice talent base to recruit from and he can turn them into a legit team. Will see.

If we make an aggressive offer I think he would leave. We would need to convince him that this is a destination job where he could build a dynasty or win a ring and go to the nfl

Nah.
Herman is a Texan.
He will probably sit tight in Houston and wait for one of the jobs to open with the big Texas schools or nearby Oklahoma.
Especially the one in Austin.
There is nothing for him in Coral Gables that he can't get at Houston right now, especially with regards to commitments.
Houston wants to have an excellent program, and they are WILLING to do something about it.
UM? LULZ.

As long as Houston isn't a power 5 program he really can't accomplish everything there that he could here.

I know everyone is rightfully down on UM, but it's a much better situation than Houston. Houston has been a stepping stone job forever--Briles and Sumlin come to mind. UM has only been a stepping stone to the NFL not to other colleges.

Pretty sure Herman was born and raised in Ohio wasn't he? He's smart to play up that "I love Texas" **** while he's there because that's what those rubes want to hear.

Yeah, I autocorrected myself on that Texan bit.
He was born in Ohio and grew up in soCal.
But he has worked alot in that state from his days at Rice and, I think, Sam Houston.
He also recruited the state for those schools as well as at Iowa State.
He is tied into the state.
I get your point about UM being a P5 program while UH isn't.
So, yes, UM is technically a bigger program, but not necessarily better at this point.
Too much lack of commitment to winning at UM.
Just look at how the school did nothing after last season's abysmal results.
You don't think coaches pay attention to this?
One or two years at UH and he wil have an opportunity to work at a school that will
offer him more money and commitment than UM.

 

[GeraltOfCaneia]

Tom Herman somehow got a 5* DT to commit to him as well

That makes me feel like something illegal may be happening.

That's a good sign IMO. No one is turning a program around without cutting corners. It's just a fact of college football.

I don't think they paid him because they don't have money like OU & LSU (other schools that he likes). I think Herman gave the right pitch so he committed. Doubtful a 5* dt sticks to Houston, but huge for him to even commit there

Didnt mean to neg my bad

 

[User-4525]

Chip Kelly is now 1-3

 

[bolivar]

Just another name to consider if we go with a coordinator.....Doug Nussmeier. He's doing well with Grier and has several years of coordinator experience at major programs. Just something to consider..

 

[King Slayer]

Just another name to consider if we go with a coordinator.....Doug Nussmeier. He's doing well with Grier and has several years of coordinator experience at major programs. Just something to consider..

Saban kicked him out in favor of Kiffin.

 

[canesbaby]

Chip Kelly is now 1-3

Although this would certainly be a big name hire down here, I still have concerns about whether it would actually work with him. Sure, he put up lofty offensive numbers against poor defensive teams but when he went up against stout defensive teams (such as Stanford), his offense seemed to lay an egg.

Also, I don't recall anyone being all that impressed with the defenses he fielded.

Maybe I'm overthinking it a little bit or maybe I'm completely out of my mind but, for the money he would cost, I feel like there may be other better fits out there.

 

[Consigliere]

Chip Kelly is now 1-3

Although this would certainly be a big name hire down here, I still have concerns about whether it would actually work with him. Sure, he put up lofty offensive numbers against poor defensive teams but when he went up against stout defensive teams (such as Stanford), his offense seemed to lay an egg.

Also, I don't recall anyone being all that impressed with the defenses he fielded.

Maybe I'm overthinking it a little bit or maybe I'm completely out of my mind but, for the money he would cost, I feel like there may be other better fits out there.

You're right, his 46-7 (33-3) record at Oregon is not impressive. Neither is his 4 for 4 BCS games, 3 conference titles and 2 BCS wins.

Side note: he was 2-2 against Stanford. In 2011, they put up 53 points on the road. In 2010, they put up 52 points. In 2009, they put up 42 points.

 

[01Canes]

For certain people who are vouching for far inferior candidates like the Kiffin's, Strong's, Cristobal's, Orgeron's, and Schiano's of the world... It's time for more people to open their eyes about Tom Herman.

Houston's offensive improvement with Herman as their new head coach...

2014 (before he arrived)
Total offense: 414.1 yards (55th)
Scoring offense: 29.8 points (57th)
Passing offense: 230.2 (64th)
Rushing offense: 183.8 (42nd)

2015 (through four games)
Total offense: 602.5 yards (4th)
Scoring offense: 45.8 points (7th)
Passing offense: 296.8 yards (21st)
Rushing offense: 305.8 yards (7th)

Now check out how Ohio State is doing without Herman...

2014 (when he was their playcaller, co-OC, and QB coach)
Total offense: 512 yards (9th)
Scoring offense: 44.8 points (5th)
Passing offense: 247.1 (52nd, lost starter before season began and then lost second-string QB before conference title game)
Rushing offense: 264.5 (9th)

2015 (without him through five games)
Total offense: 452.2 yards (33rd)
Scoring offense: 34.4 points (T-41st)
Passing offense: 212.6 (78th)
Rushing offense: 239.6 (16th)

 

[MIATL]

Sarcasm on:

So, do we add Joe Philbin to the list of potential replacement candidates for Al Golden?

I mean, according to some posters, the very fact than an NFL team would pay you money to be their HC is an automatic confirmation of your coaching prowess!

I mean, Philbin was an awesome OC for those vaunted Packer teams ...

He's already in the area ... He's use to playing at Sun Life.

High school recruits would flock to play for the guy who coached Aaron Rodgers ...

Clearly, he should be the next HC, right, guys???

Sarcasm off:

 

[01Canes]

Bumping this thread due to tonight's rumor about Hue Jackson and Miami having mutual interest. Coaching rumors are the only exciting part of this season, so f*** it.

 

[Calinative]

Seriously who gives a **** if the HC is a recruiter or not. I want someone who will win the game with Xs and Os alone. Win and the recruits will come naturally, thats the greatest thing about being in Miami...Even a bad recruiter can finish with a top10 class. Plus the HC could always hire good positional recruiters. Everyone always makes a bigger deal than it is about having a HC that can recruit. Trust me if we hire a big name guy that is a great coach AND PROVEN at high levels of competition, it'll basically recruit itself.
Do you think Jim Harbaugh or Nick Saban need to be "good" recruiters? NO. They just go out there and win, and everyone wants to play for them.

If We have a chance in **** to get Chip Kelly, Hue Jackson, Chud, etc I want them without a doubt. **** going after Fuente, or the next "up and comer" I want someone who is already there, and I don't have to wait another 5 years to see if he's going to be a bust.

 

[01Canes]

Tom Herman vs. Chad Morris tonight at 8:00 p.m. ET on ESPN2. Came away thoroughly impressed last week at Tulsa by the style of play Herman has implemented at Houston, and I'm looking forward to seeing his team again.

Houston is favored by 25 1/2, so obviously they're expected to win big. But for those who are unfamiliar with Herman as a coach, pay attention to their pace offensively (2nd in the nation in plays per game), third down efficiency (11th in the nation), and dual-threat capabilities of junior QB Greg Ward.

Herman was fortunate to inherit Ward when he arrived at Houston. But look at the improvements Ward has made under Herman and OC/QB coach Major Applewhite...

Without Herman as a sophomore in 2014 (8 starts and extended action in 1 other game)

177-of-263 (67.3%), 2010 yards, 7.64 YPA, 12 TD, 7 INT, 141.2 QB Rating, 573 rushing yards on 118 attempts (4.9 AVG), 6 rushing TDs

With Herman as his coach (through 4 starts) in 2015

83-of-119 (69.7%), 1058 yards, 8.89 YPA, 8 TD, 1 INT, 164.9 QB Rating, 472 yards on 65 carries (7.3 AVG), 7 rushing TDs

It's also worth noting to see just how much Cardale Jones has regressed without Herman.

Without Herman in 5 starts against atrocious opposition in 2015

63-of-106 (59.4%), 867 yards, 8.18 YPA, 5 TD, 5 INT, 134.3 QB Rating, 127 yards on 40 attempts (3.2 AVG), 1 TD

With Herman as his QB coach, co-OC, and playcaller in the Big 10 Championship Game, CFB semifinal, and National Title Game

56-of-92 (60.9%), 860 yards, 9.35 YPA, 7 TD, 2 INT, 160.2 QB Rating, 296 rushing yards on 72 attempts (4.1 AVG), 1 TD

 

[01Canes]

Seriously who gives a **** if the HC is a recruiter or not. I want someone who will win the game with Xs and Os alone. Win and the recruits will come naturally, thats the greatest thing about being in Miami...Even a bad recruiter can finish with a top10 class. Plus the HC could always hire good positional recruiters. Everyone always makes a bigger deal than it is about having a HC that can recruit. Trust me if we hire a big name guy that is a great coach AND PROVEN at high levels of competition, it'll basically recruit itself.
Do you think Jim Harbaugh or Nick Saban need to be "good" recruiters? NO. They just go out there and win, and everyone wants to play for them.

If We have a chance in **** to get Chip Kelly, Hue Jackson, Chud, etc I want them without a doubt. **** going after Fuente, or the next "up and comer" I want someone who is already there, and I don't have to wait another 5 years to see if he's going to be a bust.

I'm bullish on Herman, not Fuente. But this line of thinking is incredibly flawed. Florida has found out in 5 games that McElwain was the right hire, not 5 years. And he sure as **** fit that "up and comer" description you're lobbying against. UF's going to lose a few games this year, but they're already ahead of schedule in their rebuild because he's already proven he can win before even getting his own players in there.

It's also worth noting that pretty much everyone realized Golden was a bust after 3 years, not 5. It's just that our administration is so apathetic/incompetent that they've thrown 2 additional years away because Golden's contract was foolishly extended after a six-win season and they were too cheap/stubborn to admit their mistake.

 

[MIATL]

Houston's next 2 games will be in primetime, and on ESPNU ... Tonight against SMU, and next Friday against Tulane.

And for those in the Central Florida area, Houston plays at UCF in 2 weeks ...

We'll see if Herman can keep the train on track!

Also ... Memphis goes against Ole Miss next week, then they play Tulsa in 2 weeks. Those 2 games will be HUGE for Fuente, IMO.

How does he handle a big-time SEC program? And how does his team handle the result of that Ole Miss game ... Allow a loss to "beat them twice", or get a win and have a hangover loss to Tulsa?

The "Coach Watch" might be more interesting than the actual season for our Canes ... LOL

 

[01Canes]

More reading material for those wanting to learn about Herman. It's worth noting when reading this that Ohio State returned both Barrett and Jones at QB, Elliott at RB, and 4 of 5 starters along their OL. Losing Devin Smith to the NFL has hurt their offense, but they've also gained Braxton Miller as an H-back/WR after he missed all of last season due to injury.

Houston’s gain: Ohio State’s loss?

In 2014, Ohio State ranked fifth in the FBS in offensive efficiency. The Buckeyes are 76th this season and are struggling to find consistent quarterback play.

Penalties, red-zone efficiency and turnovers are all captured in efficiency and were mentioned as areas for improvement by Urban Meyer in a recent news conference.

Although Ohio State’s play-calling percentages have not changed drastically, the loss of Herman seems to be felt most on third downs and in the red zone. On such plays, Cardale Jones has the third-lowest Total QBR (17.5) of any Power 5 quarterback, whereas Houston’s Ward Jr. has the second-best QBR (97.7) in the nation.

Ohio State’s offensive struggles are not solely the result of Herman’s departure, but the way he turned around Houston’s offense cannot go unnoticed as the Buckeyes seek an offensive rhythm without him.

Losing coordinators has effect on Ohio State, Michigan State - Stats & Info - ESPN

 

[The Franchise]

Herman is a stud, but he should beat SMU's brains out. They're not a good program at all, and Houston has a monster talent advantage.

 

[Cribby]

Sarcasm on:

So, do we add Joe Philbin to the list of potential replacement candidates for Al Golden?

I mean, according to some posters, the very fact than an NFL team would pay you money to be their HC is an automatic confirmation of your coaching prowess!

I mean, Philbin was an awesome OC for those vaunted Packer teams ...

He's already in the area ... He's use to playing at Sun Life.

High school recruits would flock to play for the guy who coached Aaron Rodgers ...

Clearly, he should be the next HC, right, guys???

Sarcasm off:

McCarthy called the plays