Issiah Walker

[BS85]

He definitely should get a waiver. The pandemic will be the reason for all approved waivers.

He should just talk about how easily the virus spreads in Gainesville since everyone has so much skin exposed due to the jorts, so much extra contact due to the long flowing mullets combined with no showers, and how nobody wears masks but are easily winded mouth breathers.

 

[Cribby]

Ivins said Miami is confident he gets a waiver to play this year. Im in the boat all OL need to redshirt anyway and I think that is what is best. Its not like he was going to play at Florida this year anyway.

 

[BS85]

Does the scholarships Manny dished out to jags prevent Moise from getting in or does one have nothing to do with the other?

Not related. It's more about how many we can take this class, they were from previous classes.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Good ****. Lindouche for Walker is a trade I would do everyday of the week. Any idea if Walker would count towards 2020 or 2021? I hope he gets a waiver and can enroll in the summer.

Stop with this bullsh!te. If Walker enrolls for the fall, he can ONLY count for 2020. There is no such thing as counting forward for those who enroll in the fall.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I thought TOC said it wasnt possible.

I said that recruits have been told that there is one IC slot left for 2020. I also have ALWAYS said "unless Manny has a trick up his sleeve", which could be the appeal of the Asa Martin IC slot. We never got word of whether we could get that IC slot back, and the whole **** country has been shut down for 2 months.

If Manny has a second IC slot, and has not been transparent with anyone, then that's on him for misleading people, maybe he's just trying to pressure recruits to sign. But this nonsense that certain porsters invent, about using a 2021 slot for a 2020 fall enrollee, is just bullsh!te.

 

[252cane]

Ivins said Miami is confident he gets a waiver to play this year. Im in the boat all OL need to redshirt anyway and I think that is what is best. Its not like he was going to play at Florida this year anyway.

From what I have seen it’s been said he was going to compete for a starting spot at uf this year

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Ok time out here. Would someone with knowledge please tell us if we could take both Williams and Walker? Ivins says we could take both. Of course I don’t believe him so that’s why I’m asking someone here.

Ivins has also said that we only have one IC slot left:

Should Miami pursue transfer portal OL Issiah Walker?

InsideTheU.com's David Lake and Andrew Ivins discuss the moving parts Miami has to consider in pursuing four-star offensive tackle Issiah Walker, who is now in the NCAA Transfer Portal.

247sports.com

So has Ivins changed his story in the last couple of days? Or did we get an IC slot back for the Asa Martin debacle?

 

[Canes Legacy]

Ivins has also said that we only have one IC slot left:

Should Miami pursue transfer portal OL Issiah Walker?

InsideTheU.com's David Lake and Andrew Ivins discuss the moving parts Miami has to consider in pursuing four-star offensive tackle Issiah Walker, who is now in the NCAA Transfer Portal.

247sports.com

So has Ivins changed his story in the last couple of days? Or did we get an IC slot back for the Asa Martin debacle?

On his latest podcast he talked about counting Walker or Williams (can’t remember which) forward.

 

[Mikep]

Ivins has also said that we only have one IC slot left:

Should Miami pursue transfer portal OL Issiah Walker?

InsideTheU.com's David Lake and Andrew Ivins discuss the moving parts Miami has to consider in pursuing four-star offensive tackle Issiah Walker, who is now in the NCAA Transfer Portal.

247sports.com

So has Ivins changed his story in the last couple of days? Or did we get an IC slot back for the Asa Martin debacle?

Ivins and lake said they have one spot and can count walker forward. I have no idea if true, but thats what they said on the pod. No one knows lol

 

[Hoyacane1620]

Ivins has also said that we only have one IC slot left:

Should Miami pursue transfer portal OL Issiah Walker?

InsideTheU.com's David Lake and Andrew Ivins discuss the moving parts Miami has to consider in pursuing four-star offensive tackle Issiah Walker, who is now in the NCAA Transfer Portal.

247sports.com

So has Ivins changed his story in the last couple of days? Or did we get an IC slot back for the Asa Martin debacle?

Ivins has never said there was more than one spot. He has always said the problem is there is only one spot. If the staff wants both, one has to get counted towards the next class.

He also NEVER said it was his opinion that Walker would get a waiver. He said he was told the STAFF believed Walker could probably get a waiver.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Ivins just said Miami is going to try and get both Williams and Walker in with counting Walker forward to the 2021 class.

Thoughts?

I don't care what Ivins said. Ivins can say we are going to take 5 more transfers and that doesn't make it true.

The rules are what they are. Someone has already posted the exact text of the NCAA rules, and there is no such thing as "counting forward" for a fall enrollee.

So maybe Walker sits out until January. That could work.

Or maybe we got the Asa Martin IC back. That could work.

Or maybe Manny was lying to everyone and we had 2 IC slots all along. That could work.

I just posted Ivins saying that we had one IC slot left. He said it on May 5.

The only way to count Walker for 2021 is if he enrolls in 2021 (spring).

The only way to count Walker for 2020 (assuming we get Williams too) is if we have a second IC that has not yet been disclosed.

Don't get mad at me, the only thing I have said with accuracy and consistency regarding this mess is that a Fall 2020 enrollee cannot count as a 2021 IC.

If, since May 5, Ivins has learned some new information about Walker waiting until spring to enroll, that's great. But until the NCAA changes the rules, a Fall 2020 enrollee cannot count towards the 2021-2022 year.

 

[DMoney]

I'm not sure Walker should play right away if he comes. He still needs to get stronger and may need time to adjust physically and mentally.

 

[252cane]

I don't care what Ivins said. Ivins can say we are going to take 5 more transfers and that doesn't make it true.

The rules are what they are. Someone has already posted the exact text of the NCAA rules, and there is no such thing as "counting forward" for a fall enrollee.

So maybe Walker sits out until January. That could work.

Or maybe we got the Asa Martin IC back. That could work.

Or maybe Manny was lying to everyone and we had 2 IC slots all along. That could work.

I just posted Ivins saying that we had one IC slot left. He said it on May 5.

The only way to count Walker for 2021 is if he enrolls in 2021 (spring).

The only way to count Walker for 2020 (assuming we get Williams too) is if we have a second IC that has not yet been disclosed.

Don't get mad at me, the only thing I have said with accuracy and consistency regarding this mess is that a Fall 2020 enrollee cannot count as a 2021 IC.

If, since May 5, Ivins has learned some new information about Walker waiting until spring to enroll, that's great. But until the NCAA changes the rules, a Fall 2020 enrollee cannot count towards the 2021-2022 year.

Don’t know if it’s true or it could be different rules but people in the thread was saying lsu counted burrow forward

 

[Southside Cane]

I don't care what Ivins said. Ivins can say we are going to take 5 more transfers and that doesn't make it true.

The rules are what they are. Someone has already posted the exact text of the NCAA rules, and there is no such thing as "counting forward" for a fall enrollee.

So maybe Walker sits out until January. That could work.

Or maybe we got the Asa Martin IC back. That could work.

Or maybe Manny was lying to everyone and we had 2 IC slots all along. That could work.

I just posted Ivins saying that we had one IC slot left. He said it on May 5.

The only way to count Walker for 2021 is if he enrolls in 2021 (spring).

The only way to count Walker for 2020 (assuming we get Williams too) is if we have a second IC that has not yet been disclosed.

Don't get mad at me, the only thing I have said with accuracy and consistency regarding this mess is that a Fall 2020 enrollee cannot count as a 2021 IC.

If, since May 5, Ivins has learned some new information about Walker waiting until spring to enroll, that's great. But until the NCAA changes the rules, a Fall 2020 enrollee cannot count towards the 2021-2022 year.

Just admit you are wrong and move on

 

[BeastMode]

I'm not sure Walker should play right away if he comes. He still needs to get stronger and may need time to adjust physically and mentally.

agreed. Our tackles will be some combo or Scaife/Nelson/rivers unless we get a transfer. I don’t see Walker with no training the last 3 months or this summer being ready come fall to take anyone’s spot.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Yea ivins is saying they can count walker forward but he would need a waiver to play

That is absolutely NOT what was said.

First, Ivins did NOT say "they can count Walker forward".

LAKE is the one who raised that "possibility", but did not even describe how that could happen. Because it CAN'T, unless Walker waits until spring to enroll.

So, again, this is wishful-thinking-not-really-listening-or-understanding on the part of Miami fans.

Nobody said "yes, we can take both". There would be only one way to take both (assuming we didn't get the Asa Martin IC back), and that would be for Williams to enroll in Fall and Walker to enroll in Spring.

Not sure why people are so desperate to misinterpret the words that Lake used. He did NOT say that we could take both for the Fall semester.

And I'm not sure why people think they have figured out some genius loophole, but the NCAA is too stupid to realize it.

If every team in the country could, as they get close to August, just keep signing kids by using the next year's IC slots, there would never be any limitation at all.

I mean, just yesterday, certain posters were acting like the key component to this genius loophole was simply waiting until August to enroll them both. Now they are hanging on some vague comment made by David Lake, even though Ivins began the conversation by clearly stating that we have ONE slot left for this cycle (the 2020-2021 academic year cycle).

So somebody is lying. Or somebody made a misstatement. Or the Asa Martin decision has come down.

The only option NOT on the table is that Miami has single-handedly discovered the flaw in the NCAA Death Star IC rules, and we are sending Luke Skywalker in to blow up the IC rules.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Just admit you are wrong and move on

I'll admit I'm wrong when I'm wrong.

But I'm not wrong about this.

Please notice, nobody has cut-and-pasted an actual Ivins quote stating that we can enroll both Walker and Williams for Fall 2020.

I'll be waiting for that Ivins quote. More importantly, I'll wait for Manny to confirm it by enrolling them both.

Then I'll be happy to admit that I'm wrong.

 

[252cane]

agreed. Our tackles will be some combo or Scaife/Nelson/rivers unless we get a transfer. I don’t see Walker with no training the last 3 months or this summer being ready come fall to take anyone’s spot.

Scaife and rivers was at guard in the spring

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I’m pretty sure he’ll be able to play no? Wasn’t Joe Burrow counted forward?

No.

Why do you think that Joe Burrow "counted forward"?

IC rules are separate from grad transfer rules. Burrow graduated from Ohio State, enrolled as a graduate student at LSU, and was eligible to play immediately.

But Burrow counted as an IC at Ohio State, and he counted as an IC at LSU.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

On his latest podcast he talked about counting Walker or Williams (can’t remember which) forward.

No, you are wrong.

Ivins clearly stated that we have one IC slot left for 2020-2021.

Later, David Lake shot off his mouth, but never stated how to accomplish this. Lake never said that we could enroll both Williams and Walker for the fall semester.

Again, under the current NCAA rules, and assuming no other methods (getting the Asa Martin IC slot back), all fall enrollees count for THAT YEAR. The only way you "count forward" (which is just another term for counting early, or enrolling early) is to report in the Spring (second term) or Summer (third term). Only then can you count towards the upcoming cycle.

Please, feel free to read the NCAA rule, which was posted earlier. There is no such thing as "counting forward" for the first term (Fall) enrollees.