Is This Program At The Caliber We Think It Is?

[CaneInHeelCountry]

All this is made so overly complex. Why can't UM be a destination job and a consistent elite program, and yet TCU and Baylor can be? Anyone in a Power 5 conference can be elite if they put the resources into it and make smart decisions. We just have a bunch of tards captaining this ship.

Well, UM really ****ed off Jimmy Johnson - who was a winning coach.

Then coaches can look at how UM crapped on Butch over HIS contract - and he left when UM thought they had a gun to HIS head.

UM doesn't treat winning coaches very well.

But as we can see with Golden, they love a losing ******.

if UM crapped on Jimmy and Butch, why does Jimmy still love UM, and why is Butch practically begging to come back? Why did Schnelly basically say that the biggest mistake he ever made was leaving UM?

Those dudes got paid well, as did Erickson and Clappy. ****, we made Clappy the highest paid coach at the time. We pay winners.

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

Tom Herman has coached 4 games, and played nobody.

The point, however, is that his coaching philosophy fits well at Miami. Additionally, he isn't a proven loser the way Golden was when he was hired at UM. That isn't to say Herman is destined for greatness - he could very well flame out as well - but Golden had done so much less with more prior to arriving at UM.

Herman's coaching philosophy fits well here. Golden's doesn't. A big reason why we still see a significant representation in the NFL despite poor Saturdays. Talent isn't the issue, utilization is. Herman could bring that dynamic.

Tennessee paid Lane Kiffin a boatload of money to coach there. And then the Oakland Raiders did the same. And then the USC trojans did the same.

Tennesee also hired Derek Dooley and Butch Jones (the SEC's Al Golden) after Kiffin left for USC. That alone demonstrates UT doesn't always pick'em correctly.

And 'Chise has articulated it perfectly in the past: Kiffin failed miserably at USC, an institution that mirrors UM - private school, fickle fan base, off-campus stadium, access to local talent.

He's awful.

Unlike Miami, USC had actual sanctions. I believe they had a roster of like 40 guys when Kiffin was there, and bowl bans.

I'm not saying he's THE guy, but I'm more impressed by the fact that he was given head coaching jobs at a major SEC school, the biggest football school on the west coast, and the NFL's Oakland Raiders.... I'm more impressed that Nick Saban ran out and hired him as soon as he became available.... that means more than winning 4 games at a conference USA school with somebody else's players.

The guy must have something going for him to get all those jobs.

 

[UMFarArcher]

All this is made so overly complex. Why can't UM be a destination job and a consistent elite program, and yet TCU and Baylor can be? Anyone in a Power 5 conference can be elite if they put the resources into it and make smart decisions. We just have a bunch of tards captaining this ship.

Well, UM really ****ed off Jimmy Johnson - who was a winning coach.

Then coaches can look at how UM crapped on Butch over HIS contract - and he left when UM thought they had a gun to HIS head.

UM doesn't treat winning coaches very well.

But as we can see with Golden, they love a losing ******.

if UM crapped on Jimmy and Butch, why does Jimmy still love UM, and why is Butch practically begging to come back? Why did Schnelly basically say that the biggest mistake he ever made was leaving UM?

Those dudes got paid well, as did Erickson and Clappy. ****, we made Clappy the highest paid coach at the time. We pay winners.

Seriously? You live on another planet?

Tell you what - watch The U. JJ will tell you in his own words.

Then get off your a$$, and find out what happened to Butch to cause him to leave. 80/20. Mean anything to you?

I didn't think so.

Ignorance. It's not a virtue.

 

[MarshallCane]

If I was a coach id think it would be a dream destination. It could be a good thing our BOT doesn't care. Look if Goldie could get 5 years being a horrible coach.. Why can't Butch come in knowing there is 0 pressure to win here.. Win 10+ games a year and be our Bobby Bowden, Frank Beamer, Bill Snyder.

Plus coaches also know if they go somewhere bigger you could be fired easily after one year. That's why we need a coach who would be comfortable here who has already experienced the NFL.

Butch is licking his chops to get into Goldie's position. A school that refuses to fire you? Even if you're horrible?

 

[Dwinstitles]

i wouldnt want to coach here with the pressure, u need butch a no excuse baws n gon get his players. no last minute decommits

I would.....Because I understand the Miami/SFla mindset and I would not try to change it. I would let the players be themselves with a Clear understanding: Be Accountable to the Team (don't do anything that basically can't be swept under the rug) and Dominate Everything Breathing.

That was told to me and 10 other current CIS Posters in the Fall of 1988 @ GT.

when u say it like that it makes sense

 

[FullyERicht]

Have never bought into this being an elite program. For a short time we were like Boise State is now in football, or UNLV in basketball: A chitty bad midmajor program that just stumbled on a few up and coming coaches. Before that, and since 2001, we have gone back to being a chitty midmajor again....and it looks like that's really what we truly are. Coaching here is known as one of the worst jobs in CFB, despite our past brief encounter with glory. Nobody decent is coming here except Butch.

I'm sorry but we DID NOT "Stumble" upon Howard, nor was he some up and coming nobody.

People need to learn their history before they make general, incorrect statements.

 

[Klamalama]

Firing Day is 57 away.

[video=youtube;cL9KUt5aNZo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL9KUt5aNZo[/video]

BUTCH DAVIS

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

All this is made so overly complex. Why can't UM be a destination job and a consistent elite program, and yet TCU and Baylor can be? Anyone in a Power 5 conference can be elite if they put the resources into it and make smart decisions. We just have a bunch of tards captaining this ship.

Well, UM really ****ed off Jimmy Johnson - who was a winning coach.

Then coaches can look at how UM crapped on Butch over HIS contract - and he left when UM thought they had a gun to HIS head.

UM doesn't treat winning coaches very well.

But as we can see with Golden, they love a losing ******.

if UM crapped on Jimmy and Butch, why does Jimmy still love UM, and why is Butch practically begging to come back? Why did Schnelly basically say that the biggest mistake he ever made was leaving UM?

Those dudes got paid well, as did Erickson and Clappy. ****, we made Clappy the highest paid coach at the time. We pay winners.

Seriously? You live on another planet?

Tell you what - watch The U. JJ will tell you in his own words.

Then get off your a$$, and find out what happened to Butch to cause him to leave. 80/20. Mean anything to you?

I didn't think so.

Ignorance. It's not a virtue.

You mean the part in the U where Jimmy says something like "People ask me who my team is (Arkansas, OSU, UM, Dallas, or the Phins); UM will always be my team"?

And I'm familiar with the Butch saga, at least his version of it. Which again prompts me to ask: if he feels so wronged, why would he be begging for a shot to coach here again?

**** your own face, you pompous prick.

 

[caneinpsl]

UM doesn't have to be "plum caching job" for us to have a winning program. We just need to hire the right guy as fertile as the recruiting grounds are. UM doesn't need a Nick Saban to win. A solid X's & O's guy who can teach the game, and properly manage a program will do. Haven't had that since Butch though.

 

[DMoney]

We have the most players in the NFL. We've produced four different national championship coaches since 1983.

If a coach doesn't view this as an elite job, he's either: (1) not smart; or (2) does not prioritize competing for championships.

 

[Klamalama]

We have the most players in the NFL. We've produced four different national championship coaches since 1983.

If a coach doesn't view this as an elite job, he's either: (1) not smart; or (2) does not prioritize competing for championships.

Our last NC was 14 years ago. We do NOT compete for championships. We don't compete for the Coastal. We barely compete against mid-majors. The job isn't elite because the program is crap. For all this, we have our INCOMPETENT Board Of Timidity to thank.

 

[Al Foil]

Al Golden and Randy Shannon were hired to be glorified babysitters.

That is all Donna cared about. Protect the image and don't give the media an opportunity to make us look like savages.

There has always been a media plot to destroy our program because everyone knows are unstoppable if we find a coach that can keep S Florida players home. Miami being great is BAD for college football. Don't you get it?

Coaching ability was not a factor in the equation.

Where would the Gators be without Brandon Powell and Antonio Callaway?

Where would Bama have been without Amari Cooper and Calvin Ridely.

Those guys left town because they realized Al Golden is/was a fraud.

Miami has a competitive advantage that is impossible for those schools to overcome.

We have the most players in the NFL. We've produced four different national championship coaches since 1983.

If a coach doesn't view this as an elite job, he's either: (1) not smart; or (2) does not prioritize competing for championships.

Our last NC was 14 years ago. We do NOT compete for championships. We don't compete for the Coastal. We barely compete against mid-majors. The job isn't elite because the program is crap. For all this, we have our INCOMPETENT Board Of Timidity to thank.

 

[NVA CANE]

UM doesn't have to be "plum caching job" for us to have a winning program. We just need to hire the right guy as fertile as the recruiting grounds are. UM doesn't need a Nick Saban to win. A solid X's & O's guy who can teach the game, and properly manage a program will do. Haven't had that since Butch though.

I agree with this to a degree. To my knowledge every coach we've had that succeeded brought with them elite facet to their part of the game. Howard with the pro style, Jimmy with the defense, Dennis with the offense, Butch with the recruiting. Each brought something unique to the table aside from being a great Xs (except for Butch) and Os and program builder. That's the kind of coach we need, a chip Kelly when he was hired at Oregonas OC then HC, or Meyer when he was hired at UF. That's if we are talking winning championships.

 

[brock]

Since 2001 only 4 programs have been to more championship games than Miami in that same time span
Osu 4
Bama 3
Lsu 3
Oklahoma 3
Miami 2
Auburn 2
Oregon 2
Florida 2
USC 2
Texas 2
....

 

[UMFarArcher]

All this is made so overly complex. Why can't UM be a destination job and a consistent elite program, and yet TCU and Baylor can be? Anyone in a Power 5 conference can be elite if they put the resources into it and make smart decisions. We just have a bunch of tards captaining this ship.

Well, UM really ****ed off Jimmy Johnson - who was a winning coach.

Then coaches can look at how UM crapped on Butch over HIS contract - and he left when UM thought they had a gun to HIS head.

UM doesn't treat winning coaches very well.

But as we can see with Golden, they love a losing ******.

if UM crapped on Jimmy and Butch, why does Jimmy still love UM, and why is Butch practically begging to come back? Why did Schnelly basically say that the biggest mistake he ever made was leaving UM?

Those dudes got paid well, as did Erickson and Clappy. ****, we made Clappy the highest paid coach at the time. We pay winners.

Seriously? You live on another planet?

Tell you what - watch The U. JJ will tell you in his own words.

Then get off your a$$, and find out what happened to Butch to cause him to leave. 80/20. Mean anything to you?

I didn't think so.

Ignorance. It's not a virtue.

You mean the part in the U where Jimmy says something like "People ask me who my team is (Arkansas, OSU, UM, Dallas, or the Phins); UM will always be my team"?

And I'm familiar with the Butch saga, at least his version of it. Which again prompts me to ask: if he feels so wronged, why would he be begging for a shot to coach here again?

**** your own face, you pompous prick.

Naw, you dumb **it.

Jimmy was catching **** all the time over the players. Constantly. He said he was tempted to leave earlier as it was something all the time. The celebrations. the penalties. The showboating (well earned to be sure), and Jimmy was assumed to not have good control of the team - which players said was definitely not the case, as Jimmy allowed only what he allowed, and nothing else.

80/20 contract percentages of Butch Davis? Ring a bell? No?

I didn't think so.

Go **** yourself. Sideways.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Well, UM really ****ed off Jimmy Johnson - who was a winning coach.

Then coaches can look at how UM crapped on Butch over HIS contract - and he left when UM thought they had a gun to HIS head.

UM doesn't treat winning coaches very well.

But as we can see with Golden, they love a losing ******.

if UM crapped on Jimmy and Butch, why does Jimmy still love UM, and why is Butch practically begging to come back? Why did Schnelly basically say that the biggest mistake he ever made was leaving UM?

Those dudes got paid well, as did Erickson and Clappy. ****, we made Clappy the highest paid coach at the time. We pay winners.

Seriously? You live on another planet?

Tell you what - watch The U. JJ will tell you in his own words.

Then get off your a$$, and find out what happened to Butch to cause him to leave. 80/20. Mean anything to you?

I didn't think so.

Ignorance. It's not a virtue.

You mean the part in the U where Jimmy says something like "People ask me who my team is (Arkansas, OSU, UM, Dallas, or the Phins); UM will always be my team"?

And I'm familiar with the Butch saga, at least his version of it. Which again prompts me to ask: if he feels so wronged, why would he be begging for a shot to coach here again?

**** your own face, you pompous prick.

Naw, you dumb **it.

Jimmy was catching **** all the time over the players. Constantly. He said he was tempted to leave earlier as it was something all the time. The celebrations. the penalties. The showboating (well earned to be sure), and Jimmy was assumed to not have good control of the team - which players said was definitely not the case, as Jimmy allowed only what he allowed, and nothing else.

80/20 contract percentages of Butch Davis? Ring a bell? No?

I didn't think so.

Go **** yourself. Sideways.

I ******* know that Jimmy "caught ****" from the admin...just like any admin would have given him at the time. That obviously did not deter Jimmy's respect for UM.

Same for Butch; if he hated the business environment so much, he'd never want to return. But apparently that simple logic escapes your dumb ***.

Bottom line is that every single coach who's been here since Schnelly loves UM, and is on record as having said so. Obviously, UM's admin isn't as ****ed as you'd like to portray.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Hey, jenius - no one said anything about Jimmy enjoying coaching at UM. He hated the Administration biitching and moaning all the time. Do you not see the difference in coaching and dealing with the Admin? ****, you dumb.

See - you have no idea what I'm referring to with Butch. You're still commenting on something you're ignorant of. You're still saying something when you don't know what the **** the subject is.

That makes you the dumba$$. 80/20. Contract. Still got nothing? That means you don't know why Butch left. And every comment you make on the subject is therefore IGNORANT.

If stupid were painful, you'd be on a morphine drip.

Drip.

 

[stormsurge]

and before pete carroll, usc had been lousy for over a decade, had a lousy stadium and was located in a lousy area of los angeles such that NO RECRUITS WOULD EVER WANT TO GO THERE

Amazing how all those negatives no longer mattered once they had an A+ staff

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Hey, jenius - no one said anything about Jimmy enjoying coaching at UM. He hated the Administration biitching and moaning all the time. Do you not see the difference in coaching and dealing with the Admin? ****, you dumb.

See - you have no idea what I'm referring to with Butch. You're still commenting on something you're ignorant of. You're still saying something when you don't know what the **** the subject is.

That makes you the dumba$$. 80/20. Contract. Still got nothing? That means you don't know why Butch left. And every comment you make on the subject is therefore IGNORANT.

If stupid were painful, you'd be on a morphine drip.

Drip.

****, Archer...I didn't take you for an illiterate dumb****. Just a dumb****.

See where I said "If Butch didn't like the business environment at UM"? That's a reference to how they dealt with his contract renegotiation, you dumb piece of ****.

As to Jimmy (and Butch and the rest of them), dealing with the admin is part and parcel of the job. If you hate and/or don't respect the admin, you're likely not going to rave about the job as being the best thing you ever had, nor are you likely to lobby for the same position under a similar admin (as Butch is doing now). Every coach in America has squabbles with their admin; few coaches rave as much after-the-fact about how much they loved their job as ex-UM coaches do.

Get it yet, eedjit?

 

[UMFarArcher]

Hey, jenius - no one said anything about Jimmy enjoying coaching at UM. He hated the Administration biitching and moaning all the time. Do you not see the difference in coaching and dealing with the Admin? ****, you dumb.

See - you have no idea what I'm referring to with Butch. You're still commenting on something you're ignorant of. You're still saying something when you don't know what the **** the subject is.

That makes you the dumba$$. 80/20. Contract. Still got nothing? That means you don't know why Butch left. And every comment you make on the subject is therefore IGNORANT.

If stupid were painful, you'd be on a morphine drip.

Drip.

****, Archer...I didn't take you for an illiterate dumb****. Just a dumb****.

See where I said "If Butch didn't like the business environment at UM"? That's a reference to how they dealt with his contract renegotiation, you dumb piece of ****.

As to Jimmy (and Butch and the rest of them), dealing with the admin is part and parcel of the job. If you hate and/or don't respect the admin, you're likely not going to rave about the job as being the best thing you ever had, nor are you likely to lobby for the same position under a similar admin (as Butch is doing now). Every coach in America has squabbles with their admin; few coaches rave as much after-the-fact about how much they loved their job as ex-UM coaches do.

Get it yet, eedjit?

Dummy. You still don't understand the 80/20, and try to cover it up by using a generic, all encompassing term of "business environment."

Would you say the Gross Domestic Product to Gross National Product ratio - 80/20 entered into the negotiations? Maybe the monetary exchange rate of 80/20 dollar versus Yen?

How about the Stock option basis of 80/20 in relation to the drop in margins?

I bet right now, you're as confused as a newborn in a topless bar.

Because you are unaware of the matter.

But nice try. Idjut.