Is This Program At The Caliber We Think It Is?

[CaneInTheBrain]

I've said it before ... We are Pitt, just with a more recent history of winning.

But between Shannon and Golden, we're at a decade of irrelevance. And the reality is South Florida is a unique place to live. When guys have options, they may not prefer it ... Especially when they have families.

And this antiquated theory that Miami is the only, or fastest, way to the NFL is ridiculous! Oregon, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Penn State are the most recent programs to send their coaches to the pro game. If guys can coach, and the NFL is their goal, they can get there from any Power 5 team. Plus, winning with lesser talent is the true measure of how well you can actually coach, IMO.

That explains your moronic thought processes and preference for MAC coaches. Of course there's no logic to it, otherwise we'd go hire a high school coach who does more with less.

Golden wasn't a bad coach in the MAC, but it didn't translate well to this level. You're dealing with a different kind of kid in Miami, and we need someone who can get the most out of the talent we have accessible to us

He went 0-14 against MAC teams with winning records despite landing the top recruiting class in the conference 4 out of 5 seasons.

He was a bad coach in the MAC. He grossly underachieved there just as he has done at UM.

Look at some of the names being thrown around.... Tom Herman has only been a coach for 4 games. We haven't seen him recruit, he's never won a division, never won a bowl game, never accomplished **** except win 4 games with the previous staff's players.

Justin Fuente had a nice season last year and, if he wins against Old Missisippi next week, will be more interesting. Still has a losing record to Middling Tennessee State and Tennessee Valley... two local vocational schools in Tennessee or some ****. I mean, if you look at the guy's record, he has some horrible losses on there.

Meanwhile, Butch is out there. Kiffin is out there. Dave Wannstedt is out there. Chud, Chuck Pagano, Chip Kelly.... all could be potentially out there.

You know... guys who deep-pocketed NFL teams would actually hire. Do you think any NFL team would give Tom Herman the time of day? He's a quarterbacks coach at best in the NFL.

 

[Gatorhater]

Howard was the biggest name we ever hired and that was after failure as HC in NFL. I remember when JJ was fired thinking "who?" Then Dennis -- "are you kidding me?" Butch was the only one who would take the job after Dennis sucked it dry of talent. I think we will have to go to former Canes coach this time -- Chud, Greg, Butch, maybe Pagano will be available if Colts keep losing. JJ and Butch left legacy coaches out there. Time to harvest one. Butch makes fastest impact but I have always thought Chud is the right one. He wants back to NFL HC and nothing does that faster than a NC at Miami. Plus there is chance he can bring Butch on as DC.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Mass hysteria around here, Christ.

Look, we had two bad hires. ND had a stretch of, what, 3 bad hires in a row (Davie, Willingham, Weiss)? Oklahoma had the Gary Gibbs/Schnellenberger/John Blake decade. Michigan had Rich Rod/Brady Hoke. Georgia had Ray Goff and Jim Donnan. Tennessee still can't get their **** together; after hanging onto fat Phil for too long, they went through Kiffin, Derek Dooley, and now Butch Jones is stinking up the joint.

Point being, it happens to **** near every program. Doesn't mean their admin doesn't want to win. Doesn't mean their programs fade away and die. Doesn't mean good coaches don't want to take jobs there.

This next hire is big for UM, and I'm pretty sure the admin know that.

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

I've said it before ... We are Pitt, just with a more recent history of winning.

But between Shannon and Golden, we're at a decade of irrelevance. And the reality is South Florida is a unique place to live. When guys have options, they may not prefer it ... Especially when they have families.

And this antiquated theory that Miami is the only, or fastest, way to the NFL is ridiculous! Oregon, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Penn State are the most recent programs to send their coaches to the pro game. If guys can coach, and the NFL is their goal, they can get there from any Power 5 team. Plus, winning with lesser talent is the true measure of how well you can actually coach, IMO.

That explains your moronic thought processes and preference for MAC coaches. Of course there's no logic to it, otherwise we'd go hire a high school coach who does more with less.

Golden wasn't a bad coach in the MAC, but it didn't translate well to this level. You're dealing with a different kind of kid in Miami, and we need someone who can get the most out of the talent we have accessible to us

He went 0-14 against MAC teams with winning records despite landing the top recruiting class in the conference 4 out of 5 seasons.

He was a bad coach in the MAC. He grossly underachieved there just as he has done at UM.

Please don't engage that potato, he's gonna destroy the thread with his stupidity. He thinks lane kiffin is a good coach.

Tom Herman has coached 4 games, and played nobody.

Tennessee paid Lane Kiffin a boatload of money to coach there. And then the Oakland Raiders did the same. And then the USC trojans did the same.

Nick Saban must think he's pretty good, he hired him on to his staff. Most likley he's coach in waiting at Alabama.

Did it occur to you, in that pea-sized brain of yours, that there's a reason this guy keeps getting elite head coaching jobs?


The fact that you prefer a guy who has coached 4 games TOTAL, in the fuggin MAC..... you prefer that guy to the guy Nick Saban hand picked..... that speaks volumes about your intelligence

 

[Dingaan1828]

Hate threads like this. We are still pulling top 15 classes with .500 finishes a decade of mediocrity and a horrible coach. Get a competent coach obsessed with winning and we'll be I'm the top 5 in 2 years or less.

This thread isn't about whether we can win, it's about how coaches around the country view this job.

I think this program would be attractive to a fast riser who has his eyes on the NFL. He can use this program as a spring board. Otherwise, a guy looking for a career job has to be put off by the lack of fan support. We don't need, and won't get, a Bobby Bowden. What we need is a Jimmy Johnson.

 

[canedoit]

A charismatic egotistical personality, consumed with success, can come in and revitalize interest. You've got to get attention in Miami. Golden has done the opposite, by hibernating, hiding in his illusory bunker and running the program like a Scientology Sect.

The SFL sport fan is stretched over several professional sports franchises. You can't hide and you can't field a dull, uninspired losing product.

 

[NVA CANE]

I've said it before ... We are Pitt, just with a more recent history of winning.

But between Shannon and Golden, we're at a decade of irrelevance. And the reality is South Florida is a unique place to live. When guys have options, they may not prefer it ... Especially when they have families.

And this antiquated theory that Miami is the only, or fastest, way to the NFL is ridiculous! Oregon, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Penn State are the most recent programs to send their coaches to the pro game. If guys can coach, and the NFL is their goal, they can get there from any Power 5 team. Plus, winning with lesser talent is the true measure of how well you can actually coach, IMO.

That explains your moronic thought processes and preference for MAC coaches. Of course there's no logic to it, otherwise we'd go hire a high school coach who does more with less.

Golden wasn't a bad coach in the MAC, but it didn't translate well to this level. You're dealing with a different kind of kid in Miami, and we need someone who can get the most out of the talent we have accessible to us

He went 0-14 against MAC teams with winning records despite landing the top recruiting class in the conference 4 out of 5 seasons.

He was a bad coach in the MAC. He grossly underachieved there just as he has done at UM.

Please don't engage that potato, he's gonna destroy the thread with his stupidity. He thinks lane kiffin is a good coach.

Tom Herman has coached 4 games, and played nobody.

Tennessee paid Lane Kiffin a boatload of money to coach there. And then the Oakland Raiders did the same. And then the USC trojans did the same.

Nick Saban must think he's pretty good, he hired him on to his staff. Most likley he's coach in waiting at Alabama.

Did it occur to you, in that pea-sized brain of yours, that there's a reason this guy keeps getting elite head coaching jobs?


The fact that you prefer a guy who has coached 4 games TOTAL, in the fuggin MAC..... you prefer that guy to the guy Nick Saban hand picked..... that speaks volumes about your intelligence

 

[chicanego]

Tom Herman has coached 4 games, and played nobody.

The point, however, is that his coaching philosophy fits well at Miami. Additionally, he isn't a proven loser the way Golden was when he was hired at UM. That isn't to say Herman is destined for greatness - he could very well flame out as well - but Golden had done so much less with more prior to arriving at UM.

Herman's coaching philosophy fits well here. Golden's doesn't. A big reason why we still see a significant representation in the NFL despite poor Saturdays. Talent isn't the issue, utilization is. Herman could bring that dynamic.

Tennessee paid Lane Kiffin a boatload of money to coach there. And then the Oakland Raiders did the same. And then the USC trojans did the same.

Tennesee also hired Derek Dooley and Butch Jones (the SEC's Al Golden) after Kiffin left for USC. That alone demonstrates UT doesn't always pick'em correctly.

And 'Chise has articulated it perfectly in the past: Kiffin failed miserably at USC, an institution that mirrors UM - private school, fickle fan base, off-campus stadium, access to local talent.

He's awful.

 

[NVA CANE]

Mass hysteria around here, Christ.

Look, we had two bad hires. ND had a stretch of, what, 3 bad hires in a row (Davie, Willingham, Weiss)? Oklahoma had the Gary Gibbs/Schnellenberger/John Blake decade. Michigan had Rich Rod/Brady Hoke. Georgia had Ray Goff and Jim Donnan. Tennessee still can't get their **** together; after hanging onto fat Phil for too long, they went through Kiffin, Derek Dooley, and now Butch Jones is stinking up the joint.

Point being, it happens to **** near every program. Doesn't mean their admin doesn't want to win. Doesn't mean their programs fade away and die. Doesn't mean good coaches don't want to take jobs there.

This next hire is big for UM, and I'm pretty sure the admin know that.

This isn't a doom and gloom we will never be back thread. It's actually a legit question as to how coaches view this job. There aren't that many programs that are similar to ours. We have unique challenges that coaches might not view favorably. Who knows but as we may be looking for a coach at the end of the year it's a question to ask. I do agree with you that the higher ups may realize it's do or die time in the next hire.

 

[canesstevealum08]

I think we're Pre Saban bama not 1970's Lou saban. wayy too much Hyperbole around here!

 

[AustinCane86]

Let's see:

We are located in Miami. No state income tax and some really nice places to raise a family if you have the money. Sure seems to help the Heat and even the Dolphins when trying to lure free agents.

The recruiting ground is extremely fertile. You really don't have to leave the tri-county area to build a contending team.

The facilities are solid. Not elite, but solid. The excuse that we have "crappy" facilities can't be used at this point.

So yes, I do believe that the job is attractive.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Mass hysteria around here, Christ.

Look, we had two bad hires. ND had a stretch of, what, 3 bad hires in a row (Davie, Willingham, Weiss)? Oklahoma had the Gary Gibbs/Schnellenberger/John Blake decade. Michigan had Rich Rod/Brady Hoke. Georgia had Ray Goff and Jim Donnan. Tennessee still can't get their **** together; after hanging onto fat Phil for too long, they went through Kiffin, Derek Dooley, and now Butch Jones is stinking up the joint.

Point being, it happens to **** near every program. Doesn't mean their admin doesn't want to win. Doesn't mean their programs fade away and die. Doesn't mean good coaches don't want to take jobs there.

This next hire is big for UM, and I'm pretty sure the admin know that.

This isn't a doom and gloom we will never be back thread. It's actually a legit question as to how coaches view this job. There aren't that many programs that are similar to ours. We have unique challenges that coaches might not view favorably. Who knows but as we may be looking for a coach at the end of the year it's a question to ask. I do agree with you that the higher ups may realize it's do or die time in the next hire.

Sure seemed like a doom and gloom thread to me. From your OP:

"But is it really a top tier destination or are we all deluding ourselves? Sure we are in a Power 5 conference and we are in a hotbed of talent, but we have an admin that is not dedicated to winning. They simply have not and will not invest in the program and have mediocre expectations at best."

The point of my post was to show that just because we've had a couple of bad hires does not mean that "the admin is not dedicated to winning." The other programs I listed also had bad hires; they happen sometimes. All admins want to win, even ours. All admins try to put themselves in position to win, try to make hiring decisions that will put them in that position. Sometimes those hires don't work out, despite all the research and best intentions.

Everyone knows we have a unique situation at UM. Everyone knows the pros (recruiting hotbed, direct line to the NFL, history of championships, etc) and the cons (fickle fan support, little in the way of a traditional college environment, sterile off-campus stadium). There will never be a shortage of up-and-coming coaches who are willing to tackle the cons for a shot at all the pros. The issue is whether our admin can make the right choice from among the accessible candidates.

 

[MIATL]

Being an attractive place to live to professional athletes ages 20-35 is much different than being attractive to "family men"ages 37-65.

Texas also has no state income tax ...

Let's see:

We are located in Miami. No state income tax and some really nice places to raise a family if you have the money. Sure seems to help the Heat and even the Dolphins when trying to lure free agents.

The recruiting ground is extremely fertile. You really don't have to leave the tri-county area to build a contending team.

The facilities are solid. Not elite, but solid. The excuse that we have "crappy" facilities can't be used at this point.

So yes, I do believe that the job is attractive.

 

[chicanego]

Mass hysteria around here, Christ.

Look, we had two bad hires. ND had a stretch of, what, 3 bad hires in a row (Davie, Willingham, Weiss)? Oklahoma had the Gary Gibbs/Schnellenberger/John Blake decade. Michigan had Rich Rod/Brady Hoke. Georgia had Ray Goff and Jim Donnan. Tennessee still can't get their **** together; after hanging onto fat Phil for too long, they went through Kiffin, Derek Dooley, and now Butch Jones is stinking up the joint.

Point being, it happens to **** near every program. Doesn't mean their admin doesn't want to win. Doesn't mean their programs fade away and die. Doesn't mean good coaches don't want to take jobs there.

This next hire is big for UM, and I'm pretty sure the admin know that.

We've had three bad hires, dumb@ss.

Michigan shytcanned Corch Hoke after it was beyond conclusive he was a miserable failure as a head coach. They then went out and hired the best available coach on the market.

Hoke went 31-20 whereas your boy Folden went 28-22 over the exact same time frame. But you're trying to draw paralles between Michigan and UM.

STFU you braindead shill.

 

[PensacolaCane]

With the high school talent in UM's backyard, any big named coaching candidate would consider moving down here. The recruiting coupled with the national brand that is theU, Miami is a good destination.

That being said, the BOT and administration will still have to pony up the money for a coach that will take advantage of the talent we have in out backyard.

BOT would also have to change admission standards(which they won't). Half that high school talent can't be recruited because they can't get in academically.

Let's face it. Biggest name coach we hired in the past 30 years was Erickson who was not exactly a household name. When Butch was hired, no one else wanted the job. Coker was an easy hire but no one was begging for the job at that time either, even when we had a loaded roster. Same when Shannon and Golden were hired.

Heck the biggest name coach we have hired in the past 50 years was Saban, back when we almost dropped football altogether. Had been a semi successful pro coach. Schnellenberger had been a total failure as an NFL head coach. Both were not coaching when hired. Johnson and Erickson were the only ones coaching successful elsewhere who came to UM- and that's because that is the only time that we had an AD with vision at the time.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Mass hysteria around here, Christ.

Look, we had two bad hires. ND had a stretch of, what, 3 bad hires in a row (Davie, Willingham, Weiss)? Oklahoma had the Gary Gibbs/Schnellenberger/John Blake decade. Michigan had Rich Rod/Brady Hoke. Georgia had Ray Goff and Jim Donnan. Tennessee still can't get their **** together; after hanging onto fat Phil for too long, they went through Kiffin, Derek Dooley, and now Butch Jones is stinking up the joint.

Point being, it happens to **** near every program. Doesn't mean their admin doesn't want to win. Doesn't mean their programs fade away and die. Doesn't mean good coaches don't want to take jobs there.

This next hire is big for UM, and I'm pretty sure the admin know that.

We've had three bad hires, dumb@ss.

Michigan shytcanned Corch Hoke after it was beyond conclusive he was a miserable failure as a head coach. They then went out and hired the best available coach on the market.

Hoke went 31-20 whereas your boy Folden went 28-22 over the exact same time frame. But you're trying to draw paralles between Michigan and UM.

STFU you braindead shill.

Thanks for the civil conversation. Keep it classy, ****face.

The only parallel I'm drawing is that there are several programs that have made two or more hiring mistakes that have resulted in several years of mediocrity. And Golden's not "my boy." I've wanted him gone since 2013.

Eat ****.

 

[Consigliere]

Three bad hires combined with three bad ADs combined with three unnecessary extensions.

That gets you a 75-55 (41-39)

 

[OrangetieFatface]

It's on the level with at least Pittsburgh(Narduzzi) and Oregon St(Andersen).

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

With the high school talent in UM's backyard, any big named coaching candidate would consider moving down here. The recruiting coupled with the national brand that is theU, Miami is a good destination.

That being said, the BOT and administration will still have to pony up the money for a coach that will take advantage of the talent we have in out backyard.

BOT would also have to change admission standards(which they won't). Half that high school talent can't be recruited because they can't get in academically.

Let's face it. Biggest name coach we hired in the past 30 years was Erickson who was not exactly a household name. When Butch was hired, no one else wanted the job. Coker was an easy hire but no one was begging for the job at that time either, even when we had a loaded roster. Same when Shannon and Golden were hired.

Heck the biggest name coach we have hired in the past 50 years was Saban, back when we almost dropped football altogether. Had been a semi successful pro coach. Schnellenberger had been a total failure as an NFL head coach. Both were not coaching when hired. Johnson and Erickson were the only ones coaching successful elsewhere who came to UM- and that's because that is the only time that we had an AD with vision at the time.

And yet we've reportedly had guys like Leach, Gruden (if you believe the rumors), and Mullen in the running for jobs.

 

[CaneCounty]

im just trying to win the coastal