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TboneJones said:
1. The defense at UGA for the last two seasons doesn't look like anything special until Vandy's season ends and Muschamp can devote time to putting the defense together.

2. For some reason we were told that UGA was upgrading at the QB position because Gunner drives a Ford pickup and he's more liked by his teammates.

3. UGA WRs haven't been the same since Hankton left for LSU.

4. UGA OL hasn't been the same since Matt Luke "retired" and then went to Clemson.

5. UGA has now slipped back to the pack in the SEC with everyone else. I don't feel they are any longer the class of the conference.
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90scane said:
Same is true at bama, lsu, Clemson. Bag schools aren’t winning 40-50 blue chippers. Nil means parity
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What parity, champ?

UGA
UGA
UofM
O$U

are the last 4 champions in the NIL era. Plus, to keep it 💯, The CFP expansion has watered down the regular season, especially w these dudes bowing the knee the SEC conference. UGA, UTenn, Texas, Ole Miss, Bama can lose two games, not make the SECCG & still make the CFP which still boost recruiting.
 
Top of the sport doesn't have the same talent gap anymore.



So, the Georgia side of all this, it can't be ignored. I never really like getting caught up in this whole Kirby Smart 16:19 against Alabama thing, but you can't ignore it. He's got an Alabama problem. They got an Alabama problem.

Part one of the Bama problem was the same one everyone had, and that was, man, they got Nick Saban. He's going to have the best roster in the country. And even if we recruit heads up with him, we'll never outrecruit him. So, the best we can hope to do is compare rosters, maybe match rosters, but then they still got Nick Saban on game day. He'll still have a great staff. So, that was always hard for obvious reasons, but Saban retired.

16:53
You finally got one up on him. It took to a national championship game for you to do it, but you knocked that big domino down, and that's a huge domino. Uh, that was part one of the Bama problem. Then part two of the Bama problem is they bring a guy in that just gives you fits schematically just gives you fits and it's happened now a couple of times and like I said Deboer's done it against Dan Lanning. They really had no clue how to handle him when he was at Washington and they were at Oregon. That's a very similar defensive scheme for obvious reasons. That's the tree Landing came from. So it looks like that Alabama problem's not going anywhere until you do something about it. And I'm not really sure what you do about it because these aren't blowouts. All of these are close games, competitive games. Uh you believe a a touchdown catch that's dropped could be the difference here. Maybe if I had it to do over again, I don't go for it on fourth and one. I kick the field goal, I tie the game. Who knows what happens? I'm just saying, remember when they won their second national title in a row? Uh this was 23 or 22, whenever it was. I got I got in a knockdown dragout with Georgia fans innocently because I said to a fan who asked how many titles I thought Kirby would win. I said, "I don't know. This may be it for him. It may be two. Most guys never win one. Like, how do you know he's going to just go on to win more titles?" Which I thought was a fair take. Uh well, their their stance was he's just won his second title in a row. And you think to yourself, "All right, well, now there's just this long runway. We can't even see the end of the runway. He's going to be here for another 15 plus years.

18:33
We're going to finish top three in recruiting every cycle. Uh, Saban's got to retire eventually." And sure enough, he did. What's going to stop us? The sport will stop you because it never stops adjusting to you. That's the price you pay for being on top. It never stopped for Saban. That was the price he paid for being on top. The difference is he never relinquished the top spot. Now the game was changing. Saban didn't like the way it looked, so he got out because his legacy was secured. Kirby Smart's legacy will never be in doubt. The guy's won two national titles. He is built a total and complete monster at Georgia. So if he retired today, he's a legend, instant hall of famer. But my point then is the same as it is now. The sport never stops changing. There are consequences that successful people have. There are consequences successful programs have that failing programs never even know about. They think it's just first world, no problems. Uh you're on the yacht. Who would ever cry on the yacht? Well, what you find is you find everyone's got the crosshairs on you when you're on top. And that's been Kirby and Georgia for a long time.


And now it's pretty obvious watching them in the Portal era, in the high level NIL era, they don't have the kind of players Miami has. They don't have the kind of players a number of these programs have. Uh both of these programs here, by the way, play NIL sort of the same way. And I understand it because I would play it like Kirby does. I would look at it and I would say there is immense value for the next 40 years of your life. If you commit to play football at the University of Georgia, you can't make every difference maker feel that way. And you watch them defensively. They don't have difference makers defensively. and a couple of them they brought in Elma Madozi has been a non-factor so far. I don't know why that is because I think they felt good about him. Um I felt really good about him. I thought they had hit a home run and gotten a kid from Army and that was going to be one of the talking points of the season. It's just not there. They're in the 100s in pressure rate statistics. They still don't have a sack on the season. Like I mean people accidentally sacked the quarterback over the span of multiple four quarter games in their case. couple of them against very inferior opponents. So, I'm saying all that to say his best rosters are behind him. You can say that about everybody because the elite teams are no longer going to stack talent like they used to, which just means you've got to be able to beat guys on game day. You got to be able to beat other staffs on game day. And my fundamental uh mild concern for them when Deboer got to Alabama uh is I felt Alabama made a hire keenly aware of the direction the sport was headed. By that I mean they understood Bama nor any other team in that league was ever going to have that insurmountable a talent edge on the rest of the league anymore. NIL was not going to allow it. the tops of the trees had been shaved off. And you may still have an edge, but it will not be this unequivocal edge. So, you better get a guy who can win games on game day. You better get a staff that can beat other staffs 10 times out of the year. And Alabama's got one and they've put it on display against Georgia.
 
Glow said:
Top of the sport doesn't have the same talent gap anymore.



So, the Georgia side of all this, it can't be ignored. I never really like getting caught up in this whole Kirby Smart 16:19 against Alabama thing, but you can't ignore it. He's got an Alabama problem. They got an Alabama problem.

Part one of the Bama problem was the same one everyone had, and that was, man, they got Nick Saban. He's going to have the best roster in the country. And even if we recruit heads up with him, we'll never outrecruit him. So, the best we can hope to do is compare rosters, maybe match rosters, but then they still got Nick Saban on game day. He'll still have a great staff. So, that was always hard for obvious reasons, but Saban retired.

16:53
You finally got one up on him. It took to a national championship game for you to do it, but you knocked that big domino down, and that's a huge domino. Uh, that was part one of the Bama problem. Then part two of the Bama problem is they bring a guy in that just gives you fits schematically just gives you fits and it's happened now a couple of times and like I said Deboer's done it against Dan Lanning. They really had no clue how to handle him when he was at Washington and they were at Oregon. That's a very similar defensive scheme for obvious reasons. That's the tree Landing came from. So it looks like that Alabama problem's not going anywhere until you do something about it. And I'm not really sure what you do about it because these aren't blowouts. All of these are close games, competitive games. Uh you believe a a touchdown catch that's dropped could be the difference here. Maybe if I had it to do over again, I don't go for it on fourth and one. I kick the field goal, I tie the game. Who knows what happens? I'm just saying, remember when they won their second national title in a row? Uh this was 23 or 22, whenever it was. I got I got in a knockdown dragout with Georgia fans innocently because I said to a fan who asked how many titles I thought Kirby would win. I said, "I don't know. This may be it for him. It may be two. Most guys never win one. Like, how do you know he's going to just go on to win more titles?" Which I thought was a fair take. Uh well, their their stance was he's just won his second title in a row. And you think to yourself, "All right, well, now there's just this long runway. We can't even see the end of the runway. He's going to be here for another 15 plus years.

18:33
We're going to finish top three in recruiting every cycle. Uh, Saban's got to retire eventually." And sure enough, he did. What's going to stop us? The sport will stop you because it never stops adjusting to you. That's the price you pay for being on top. It never stopped for Saban. That was the price he paid for being on top. The difference is he never relinquished the top spot. Now the game was changing. Saban didn't like the way it looked, so he got out because his legacy was secured. Kirby Smart's legacy will never be in doubt. The guy's won two national titles. He is built a total and complete monster at Georgia. So if he retired today, he's a legend, instant hall of famer. But my point then is the same as it is now. The sport never stops changing. There are consequences that successful people have. There are consequences successful programs have that failing programs never even know about. They think it's just first world, no problems. Uh you're on the yacht. Who would ever cry on the yacht? Well, what you find is you find everyone's got the crosshairs on you when you're on top. And that's been Kirby and Georgia for a long time.


And now it's pretty obvious watching them in the Portal era, in the high level NIL era, they don't have the kind of players Miami has. They don't have the kind of players a number of these programs have. Uh both of these programs here, by the way, play NIL sort of the same way. And I understand it because I would play it like Kirby does. I would look at it and I would say there is immense value for the next 40 years of your life. If you commit to play football at the University of Georgia, you can't make every difference maker feel that way. And you watch them defensively. They don't have difference makers defensively. and a couple of them they brought in Elma Madozi has been a non-factor so far. I don't know why that is because I think they felt good about him. Um I felt really good about him. I thought they had hit a home run and gotten a kid from Army and that was going to be one of the talking points of the season. It's just not there. They're in the 100s in pressure rate statistics. They still don't have a sack on the season. Like I mean people accidentally sacked the quarterback over the span of multiple four quarter games in their case. couple of them against very inferior opponents. So, I'm saying all that to say his best rosters are behind him. You can say that about everybody because the elite teams are no longer going to stack talent like they used to, which just means you've got to be able to beat guys on game day. You got to be able to beat other staffs on game day. And my fundamental uh mild concern for them when Deboer got to Alabama uh is I felt Alabama made a hire keenly aware of the direction the sport was headed. By that I mean they understood Bama nor any other team in that league was ever going to have that insurmountable a talent edge on the rest of the league anymore. NIL was not going to allow it. the tops of the trees had been shaved off. And you may still have an edge, but it will not be this unequivocal edge. So, you better get a guy who can win games on game day. You better get a staff that can beat other staffs 10 times out of the year. And Alabama's got one and they've put it on display against Georgia.
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Was wild to see him say all this last night. I like JP a lot. Even if he thinks Saturday will be close
 
Not just NIL, but the portal as well. NIL has led to fewer top end guys choosing them, and the portal has led to even the dudes they do land can just up and leave after a year which hurts their depth.
90scane said:
Same is true at bama, lsu, Clemson. Bag schools aren’t winning 40-50 blue chippers. Nil means parity
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I'm not ready to write them off yet. But like some others have said NIL, some poor hires, other teams hitting on some portal adds, even the greatest dynasties can only absorb so many high NFL picks and keep playing at a Nat. Champ level.

They will still be a contender if they adjust a few things. They just arent going to be a heavy favorite to run away with it every single year.
 
sdaly12 said:
Everyone has slipped in top level of SEC, they cannot stick 2 deep anymore with portal and NIL and players are not going to wait. All it takes these days is a couple of injuries, a couple of bad HS recruits not panning out and you come back to the group real fast
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And this is why I never saw the point of having 105 scholarships rosters. Guys aren’t gonna hang around and be 3rd stringers if they can play elsewhere. **** like you said..it’s gonna be hard keeping kids who aren’t in the regular rotation. So never saw the purpose of expanding to the 105. You won’t ever even get to the number on a yearly basis.
 
Canedog said:
Attending a game in Athens has become a huge gouge. Hotels in downtown gouge you by increasing their normal price up to 5xs higher and requiring a 2 night minimum. For big games, to reduce the lines to get in, the most popular bars charge a cover that can be as much as $60 a head at peak times on game day.

Cost to attend a big game in Athens is about $1,750 to $2,000 per person if you want or have to stay overnight. Cost to watch at home $0.
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Yes, the article talks about that. Schools all over the country are having that issue. College towns, especially, are difficult since local hotels require a two-night minimum. This is not a new issue though; these schools (including UGA) have been dealing with this for the past 10-15 years).
 
Rellyrell said:
What parity, champ?

UGA
UGA
UofM
O$U

are the last 4 champions in the NIL era. Plus, to keep it 💯, The CFP expansion has watered down the regular season, especially w these dudes bowing the knee the SEC conference. UGA, UTenn, Texas, Ole Miss, Bama can lose two games, not make the SECCG & still make the CFP which still boost recruiting.
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Change takes time. We still don’t have all of the Covid extra year players off rosters. I think parity is really starting to show itself this year and we’ll start to see relatively new names competing for titles in the next few years. It will still be the programs who are serious about making financial investment, but those that are serious about making financial investment (with competent leadership) will have a legitimate shot. Whereas the past 15 years its been those that cheat and don’t get caught.
 
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Rellyrell said:
What parity, champ?

UGA
UGA
UofM
O$U

are the last 4 champions in the NIL era. Plus, to keep it 💯, The CFP expansion has watered down the regular season, especially w these dudes bowing the knee the SEC conference. UGA, UTenn, Texas, Ole Miss, Bama can lose two games, not make the SECCG & still make the CFP which still boost recruiting.
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So you think OSU, UGA. Or uofm win it again?

How about going back just ten years when it was all bag schools? Bama, lsu, Clemson, UF, and UGA.

Parity isn’t just about cfp. It is about any given Saturday. If this continues, I believe we see it bleed into the cfp. Injuries will impact results. Oklahoma maybe a cfp team but drop 3 due to the qb being out for example. OSU minus Sayin/ja, Oregon minus Moore, Miami minus Bain/beck, … the depth across every team causes additional stress to the picture of who wins it call. Is it perfect? No. Is it bama playing for it every year? No
 
Gocanes1990 said:
Was wild to see him say all this last night. I like JP a lot. Even if he thinks Saturday will be close
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He was in Athens Saturday night. Saw it first hand.

He started at Illinois vs USC. Had a lot to say about that game, too. He has always felt USC was at least 1 year away - he wonders/hopes that the USC fan base will have patience this season.
 
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