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skyman said:
I doubt ACC teams will allow us to just run into teeth of defense if we dont develop passing game. This style actually Got even Malzahn on the hot seat..

Those numbers come down to earth, I hope the passing develops.. Our Oline didnt look like they can carry us for season
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Malzahn made it to the Natty in 2013 the first year he ran this offense (Lashlee as OC btw). This was with Nick Marshall and Tre Mason.
 
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canesthing3 said:
****, somehow I’d forgotten how miserable this place was during football season.
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My car forums are all "which wheel/muffler looks/sounds best" and "I have this strange problem" that is the same thing that has been answered 1000 times before and a simple search shows the answer. At least here some of the variables change.
 
ThomasM said:
If we start losing games 31-14 because we can't pass, I'm betting you'd be wondering why we can't complete forward passes. ;)

This isn't going to work against other teams.
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Leading up to the game, I kept hearing how Clark is a great defensive coach and how UAB is a very good tough defensive team. We hang 500 total and 330 on the ground on them, and now they're the dregs of society.

This place is such a cesspool of misery. Dear fellow CIS'er, you're so very desultory and moribund. You ever feel like slitting your wrists but don't feel quite down enough to pull it off? Go read last night's game thread. It'll give you that little extra oomph you might need to finish the job.
 
DMoney said:
Needs to tighten up.

If teams dare King to beat them with his arm, I think he’s capable.
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Actually, I might take issue with that.

I was speaking with a senior director of college scouting for an NFL team last week, whom I have known for many years. We actually played against each other in college. He has seen King close up and has watched a lot of tape on him.

He says:

"King's a great athlete, but basically a sandlot QB. Good enough of a passer and a student of the game to beat average teams with his arm, but not nearly good enough as a passer to beat really good teams throwing the ball. Future in the NFL is in the slot. Could play 8 or 9 years there if it all goes well. He's by far the best athlete at QB that UM has on the roster, and has really good leadership and character traits. Will be great in the locker room. But the most talented QB in the room is the Van Dyke kid from Connecticut. He's just not ready yet, and King gives them the best opportunity to win games right now. But remember, even in the Major Applewhite offense, King was only 15-10 as a starter in the AAC. The ACC is tougher. He's an upgrade over the past 2 years for UM, but even with King, because of his limitations, they are no better than an 8 win team against that schedule. Lashlee will get a lot of production from that offense, but more than 8 wins? Just not seeing it. They'll really struggle with Clemson, UNC, and when they go to Blacksburg."
 
jakeman1 said:
I’d guess the whole offense will be used next week. It was obvious they were happy to keep it as simple as possible, if they could, and still win. Hopefully they can clean up some of this mistakes. Week one to week two, there’s usually a good bit of improvement.
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As much as has been implemented anyways. This process is most likely going to progress throughout the season.
 
RedSquare said:
Actually, I might take issue with that.

I was speaking with a senior director of college scouting for an NFL team last week, whom I have known for many years. We actually played against each other in college. He has seen King close up and has watched a lot of tape on him.

He says:

"King's a great athlete, but basically a sandlot QB. Good enough of a passer and a student of the game to beat average teams with his arm, but not nearly good enough as a passer to beat really good teams throwing the ball. Future in the NFL is in the slot. Could play 8 or 9 years there if it all goes well. He's by far the best athlete at QB that UM has on the roster, and has really good leadership and character traits. Will be great in the locker room. But the most talented QB in the room is the Van Dyke kid from Connecticut. He's just not ready yet, and King gives them the best opportunity to win games right now. But remember, even in the Major Applewhite offense, King was only 15-10 as a starter in the AAC. The ACC is tougher. He's an upgrade over the past 2 years for UM, but even with King, because of his limitations, they are no better than an 8 win team against that schedule. Lashlee will get a lot of production from that offense, but more than 8 wins? Just not seeing it. They'll really struggle with Clemson, UNC, and when they go to Blacksburg."
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Good info. Thank you for sharing.

With regards to his comments on King, the only really good team on the schedule is Clemson. He throws it well enough to beat the other teams. And if you stack the numbers in his advantage (which will happen when teams try to stop our running attack), his passing will be more effective.

I don’t know what our record will be. The next two games will be telling. But I don’t see King’s passing holding us back at this level. Much more concerned about pass blocking and receivers.
 
DTP said:
Except that 300 yards against Duke came in a loss. and only netted 12 points. Somehow they only mustered 24 against Pitt despite averaging almost 10 yards per carry.
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Right - because:

Duke - 111 yds passing
Pitt - 52 yds passing

So 144 yds passing vs UAB is troublesome. I know it's just one game, but here's Kings passing yards in his last 8 games:

141
229
128
139
167
82
322
175

After watching last night - it's hard to brush those numbers off as no big deal. If those passing numbers don't improve, as you've pointed out, those big rushing numbers aren't going to mean much .
 
DMoney said:
Good info. With regards to his comments on King, the only really good team on the schedule is Clemson. He throws it well enough to beat the other teams. And if you stack the numbers in his advantage (which will happen when teams try to stop our running attack), his passing will be more effective.

I don’t know what our record will be. The next two games will be telling. But I don’t see King’s passing holding us back at this level. Much more concerned about pass blocking and receivers.
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Comments like @RedSquare friend are made in that bubble that ignores the pervasive offensive ineptitude in the ACC. For all of the trouble Miami has had offensively over the last 3 years, the ACC opponents were just as ineffective. There’s not a single ACC game during that time that Miami shouldn’t have won.
 
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bshaw28 said:
Right - because:

Duke - 111 yds passing
Pitt - 52 yds passing

So 144 yds passing vs UAB is troublesome. I know it's just one game, but here's Kings passing yards in his last 8 games:

141
229
128
139
167
82
322
175

After watching last night - it's hard to brush those numbers off as no big deal. If those passing numbers don't improve, as you've pointed out, those big rushing numbers aren't going to mean much .
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You do need to have some balance but you just need to keep the defense honest and force them to respect the threat of the pass. Also, when you've got a fairly big lead, you don't have to worry about throwing the ball much. If they can only muster 150 yards in a close game and the runnign game isn't killing it, I'd be concerned. If King only throws for 200 yards per game but they can continue to rush for over 200, they'll be sitting pretty.
 
The Franchise said:
Everyone cried about the run game last year. We run 52 times for 330 yards, and they want to cry about the passing game now. Last time we saw this team, we were getting anally raped by a CUSA team and never posed a threat to score a point the whole game.

King never was and never will be a drop back dime tosser. He's never going to be Drew Brees or Russell Wilson in the throw game. But he can be an insane weapon in the run game and throwing enough to keep defenses honest. He was off yesterday, but he hasn't played in a long time and is getting used to another new system.

King brings calm. Leadership. And an incredible extra weapon in the run game. He can be an opportune passer who hits some occasional big throws or extends some drives. That run game you saw last night isn't that run game with any other QB because the defense doesn't have to account for other QBs the way they do King.

First game should be the worst game. If we can build each week that should be the goal. Even the great teams usually don't play super clean week one. Add in no spring and probably some limited work in the summer, and you can be a little sloppy offensively.
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if this is the foundation, the ground floor of the offense -- UM will be good

If this is what they really are -- well, that's a bit troublesome

But given the nature of this off-season, I give everyone a bit of a pass. And it's not like UAB is Beth Cookmeameal
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
Comments like @RedSquare friend are made in that bubble that ignores the pervasive offensive ineptitude in the ACC. For all of the trouble Miami has had offensively over the last 3 years, the ACC opponents were just as ineffective. There’s not a single ACC game during that time that Miami shouldn’t have won.
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with the exception of Clemson in the ACCCG a couple years ago, and maybe one or two others at most, you're mostly right as it relates to those games where our talent was equal or better. Again, with the exception of Clemson, is probably all of them.

Regardless, my friend was voicing his opinions about this year, not what we should have done in the past. On that point, he could very well be on point.
 
DTP said:
If anybody put up 330 yards on the ground against our defense, there would be a sniper waiting outside the Hect for Baker.
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Not necessarily.

Wisconsin put up 333 yds rushing on Manny's defense in 2018. 1 week later Manny became our Head Coach.
 
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RedSquare said:
Actually, I might take issue with that.

I was speaking with a senior director of college scouting for an NFL team last week, whom I have known for many years. We actually played against each other in college. He has seen King close up and has watched a lot of tape on him.

He says:

"King's a great athlete, but basically a sandlot QB. Good enough of a passer and a student of the game to beat average teams with his arm, but not nearly good enough as a passer to beat really good teams throwing the ball. Future in the NFL is in the slot. Could play 8 or 9 years there if it all goes well. He's by far the best athlete at QB that UM has on the roster, and has really good leadership and character traits. Will be great in the locker room. But the most talented QB in the room is the Van Dyke kid from Connecticut. He's just not ready yet, and King gives them the best opportunity to win games right now. But remember, even in the Major Applewhite offense, King was only 15-10 as a starter in the AAC. The ACC is tougher. He's an upgrade over the past 2 years for UM, but even with King, because of his limitations, they are no better than an 8 win team against that schedule. Lashlee will get a lot of production from that offense, but more than 8 wins? Just not seeing it. They'll really struggle with Clemson, UNC, and when they go to Blacksburg."
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I feel this is dead on.

King missing Payton in the end zone is the pass I can't get out of my head.

Perfect play call, no one around Payton , no pressure on King. You won't get an easier look at a 10 yd TD pass. And King's pass wasn't even close.

2020 had a very 2017 vibe before last night. 2020 has a very 2018 vibe after last night.
 
RedSquare said:
with the exception of Clemson in the ACCCG a couple years ago, and maybe one or two others at most, you're mostly right as it relates to those games where our talent was equal or better. Again, with the exception of Clemson, is probably all of them.

Regardless, my friend was voicing his opinions about this year, not what we should have done in the past. On that point, he could very well be on point.
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The issue I have with your friends comments, which certainly have validity, is that every other ACC team outside of Clemson and UNC have worse QB play than Miami (UL, FSU, PITT, UVA, NCST, VT, GT, WF). And ALL have lesser defenses despite how many on CIS feel about Blake Baker/Diaz calls. That’s why the no more than 8 wins I question. Unless he’s talking about 8 out of 10 ACC games then it could make sense. And unless Howell is the second coming of Joe Burrow (gargantuan jump in year two) then UNC is a toss-up.

If the King we saw last night is the King we have (for the record, I think he’ll be better) which is a 60+% passer with minimal turnovers who will allow Miami to have a sustained running attack where Miami converts nearly 50% of 3rd downs, then that’s better than 2019 which is more than than 8 wins, imo; because if Miami can just get into FG range In 2020 there are points to be had that just didn’t exist last year (Borregales v Baxa). Take what I wrote with a huge grain of salt, everyone knows I’m a homer.
 
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The Franchise said:
Everyone cried about the run game last year. We run 52 times for 330 yards, and they want to cry about the passing game now. Last time we saw this team, we were getting anally raped by a CUSA team and never posed a threat to score a point the whole game.

King never was and never will be a drop back dime tosser. He's never going to be Drew Brees or Russell Wilson in the throw game. But he can be an insane weapon in the run game and throwing enough to keep defenses honest. He was off yesterday, but he hasn't played in a long time and is getting used to another new system.

King brings calm. Leadership. And an incredible extra weapon in the run game. He can be an opportune passer who hits some occasional big throws or extends some drives. That run game you saw last night isn't that run game with any other QB because the defense doesn't have to account for other QBs the way they do King.

First game should be the worst game. If we can build each week that should be the goal. Even the great teams usually don't play super clean week one. Add in no spring and probably some limited work in the summer, and you can be a little sloppy offensively.
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agreed.

the biggest jump is usually game one to game two. it's a cliche' but it's pretty accurate. good teams get better as the season goes along, but in small steps. game one to two can be your biggest leap.

if we see that against UL, then I'm encouraged.
 
Love our RBs, but **** i wish Deejay stayed to reap the rewards of playing in this offense. He was special. He might of set some records
 
The Franchise said:
Leading up to the game, I kept hearing how Clark is a great defensive coach and how UAB is a very good tough defensive team. We hang 500 total and 330 on the ground on them, and now they're the dregs of society.

This place is such a cesspool of misery. Dear fellow CIS'er, you're so very desultory and moribund. You ever feel like slitting your wrists but don't feel quite down enough to pull it off? Go read last night's game thread. It'll give you that little extra oomph you might need to finish the job.
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Do you honestly think that kind of game plan is going to work every week? I don't. You do, and good for you. We can not get away with that sloppiness every week.

I'm not saying UAB is bad. I never said that. What I did say was that this approach won't work every week. We won't get away with missed passes and lack of WR separation. We won't get away with what I saw last night for very long.
 
bshaw28 said:
I feel this is dead on.

King missing Payton in the end zone is the pass I can't get out of my head.

Perfect play call, no one around Payton , no pressure on King. You won't get an easier look at a 10 yd TD pass. And King's pass wasn't even close.

2020 had a very 2017 vibe before last night. 2020 has a very 2018 vibe after last night.
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If teams we play want to count on us missing that pass every week, I'm good with that.
 
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