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Interesting stat

My concern is, did they key on King? is that why our backs did so well?

I’m not sure King ever kept one on a read play, which I think is an obvious decoy. He could have rushed for 150 if he kept say 8-10 of those. There were many where he could have gotten big yardage.

Personally, I’m more concerned with the D and the pass protection. Pass PTO was terrible and their penalties bailed out our D more than our D did. Haven’t studied it, but I’d guess their penalties stymied at least 4-5 drives. It seemed to me they ran at will though somehow the numbers didn’t tell that story. It’s how it felt. When they didn’t have penalties to put them in bad down and distances they moved it well.

Not to trying to derail D’s thread. I was impressed with our efficiency on the ground, and definitely noticed the pop of Rooster and the Don.
 
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DMoney said:
Good info. Thank you for sharing.

With regards to his comments on King, the only really good team on the schedule is Clemson. He throws it well enough to beat the other teams. And if you stack the numbers in his advantage (which will happen when teams try to stop our running attack), his passing will be more effective.

I don’t know what our record will be. The next two games will be telling. But I don’t see King’s passing holding us back at this level. Much more concerned about pass blocking and receivers.
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this. Thankfully, we are not in the NFL and we don’t need a quarterback to run a complicated passing system. King can be plenty good in college and is good enough for this team to win more than nine games. For me, WR is a bigger? Then our pass blocking jmo
 
After the first week, the Canes offense actually has better offense rankings than defensive rankings in the ACC: the Canes have the #1 rushing offense in the ACC, they have the #1 rusher in the ACC (Cam Harris), the #2 in total offense in the ACC, #6 in third down conversions in the ACC, #1 in fourth down conversions and #5-6 in passer ratings and completion percentages. The Canes offense accomplished all of this with a new OC and almost an entirely new group of starters.

Not a bad start for the offense.

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BigWindyCane1 said:
After the first week, the Canes offense actually has better offense rankings than defensive rankings in the ACC: the Canes have the #1 rushing offense in the ACC, they have the #1 rusher in the ACC (Cam Harris), the #2 in total offense in the ACC, #6 in third down conversions in the ACC, #1 in fourth down conversions and #5-6 in passer ratings and completion percentages. The accomplished all of this with a new OC and almost an entirely new group of starters.

Not a bad start for the offense.
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You wouldn't have thought it based on the reaction on here after the game.
 
Ajcane8 said:
Ok - so the miss in the end zone and the two overthrows on the sideline to Harley somehow show that there is a “very real possibility” that our lack of a passing game is some sort of death knell for the season. But are we just supposed to ignore the (1) escape the sack, roll left, hit Wiggins on the sideline, (2) 5 step drop, throw a frozen rope that splits the 1-2 on Payton’s jersey on a 9 yard curl and (3) perfect touch on a back shoulder throw between the safeties and over the lb covering Brevin?
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King was throwing darts for sure. In addition to the throws you pointed out, he threw a laser to Harley on a slant that's gonna go for big yardage at some point. We're going to make some big plays in the passing game.

King was ridiculous in his escapability in the pocket, and as good as advertised in his athleticism and running. Another wrinkle is when King decides to actually keep the ball on those RPO's which he didn't vs. UAB.

I'm a big big fan of King and not hating on him at all. I think he's going to carry us to some big wins this year. He's a MUCH better QB than what we've had lately.

That being said - I'm not the type to sugarcoat things. King averaged 177 yds passing in his last 7 games & 149 yds the last 5 before the UAB game. Then he throws 141 yds vs UAB. He's averaged 172 yds passing over his last 8 games when he averaged 292 yds passing in the 12 games before that. To me, that's a red flag that's very realistically an issue.

I'm not going to tell you it's because he's rusty or UAB is a good defense. I'm going to tell he straight up missed some passes that were badly off. Passes downfield didn't look good. Taking off running at the end of the half on our hail mary play vs. staying in the pocket lead to 31 yd run, which looks great in the stats on paper - but it was a bad decision. Playing UAB and having 25 & 15 yds as your 2 longest pass plays isn't good. It's just not.

I'm not doom & gloom, or think the seasons over. I'm just slightly adjusting my expectations. Coming into the UAB I thought 9+ wins was a very real possibility for this year. Based on the UAB game - I think 7-8 wins is more realistic (which is similar to the type of team we've been).

Now maybe it's me over-reacting or just being negative. I hope I am. Maybe I'm pointing out the elephant in the room. I hope I'm not. I think King being lights out for the rest of the year and carrying us to a great season is still a very real possibility.
 
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DMoney said:
For his career, King has 4,800 passing yards (62%), 50 TDs and 9 INTs.

But he missed a throw to Jeremiah Payton in the first game back from a pandemic. I’m worried whether we will be able to complete a forward pass.
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King's averaged 292 yds passing his first 12 starts
King's averaged 172 yds passing his last 8 starts

This might might very well mean nothing at all. But is it out of the question to suggest "it's possible" that it might mean something?
 
What were his rushing stats in those games? Could it be defenses decided to concentrate stoping his passing game those last 8? Could his recievers not been as good those last 8? Stats sometimes can be misleading.Not saying they were in stats pointed out
 
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swampcougar1 said:
What were his rushing stats in those games? Could it be defenses decided to concentrate stoping his passing game those last 8? Could his recievers not been as good those last 8? Stats sometimes can be misleading.Not saying they were in stats pointed out
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The easy explanation is that Holgorson’s offense had a terrible first year.

Houston’s team pass yardage dropped from 19th to 85th with the same supporting cast. King only played a third of the year.
 
bshaw28 said:
So that wasn't a terrible pass to Payton - just a simple miss. Sure...why not

Maybe King running the ball at the end of the half instead of throwing it into the endzone was actually a smart decision. Sure...why not

So this pass was on target, and was on Jordan as a drop. Sure...why not

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The back shoulder to Brevin was actually one of his best throws of the night LOL. And yes, Brevin is supposed to catch that.
 
DMoney said:
What’s your theory? His arm hurts?

Give me something meaningful.
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I honestly don't have one - it's not like I'm a Houston fan. There could be a very logical reason for it. Do you have a theory for it?

I'm just pointing out a trend, that could be nothing at all, but doesn't look good and is concerning. It's lasted enough games that saying it might be something isn't out of the question IMO.
 
bshaw28 said:
I honestly don't have one - it's not like I'm a Houston fan. There could be a very logical reason for it. Do you have a theory for it?
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Yes. Holgorson had a bad first year on offense. They dropped from 19th to 85th in passing yardage with King missing 2/3 of the year.

King also got hurt early in his last game of 2018, which led to an 82-yard game (he had 322 and 5 TDs the week before).
 
DMoney said:
Yes. Holgorson had a bad first year on offense. They dropped from 19th to 85th in passing yardage with King missing 2/3 of the year.

King also got hurt early in his last game of 2018, which led to an 82-yard game (he had 322 and 5 TDs the week before).
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That makes sense. Hopefully we see the passing game start clicking more vs. Louisville
 
BigWindyCane1 said:
After the first week, the Canes offense actually has better offense rankings than defensive rankings in the ACC: the Canes have the #1 rushing offense in the ACC, they have the #1 rusher in the ACC (Cam Harris), the #2 in total offense in the ACC, #6 in third down conversions in the ACC, #1 in fourth down conversions and #5-6 in passer ratings and completion percentages. The Canes offense accomplished all of this with a new OC and almost an entirely new group of starters.

Not a bad start for the offense.

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Wait. Didn't UAB destroy us?
 
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DMoney said:
What’s your theory? His arm hurts?

Give me something meaningful.
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There's no theory. It's a small sample size being used to substantiate a worried mindset. King's not a great passer, but he's going to put up some numbers, especially if our run game keeps gashing people. Defenses will have to pick their poison.
 
DMoney said:
What’s your theory? His arm hurts?

Give me something meaningful.
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His theory is he had picked King to be this year’s whipping boy.

Unfortunately for him, he got caught teeing up his “King totally sucks as a passer” rationale, setting it up for a relentless attack on King as the season progressed, and is now backtracking like Michael Jackson doing the moonwalk.
 
bshaw28 said:
I'm well aware that the the guy who ran for for 80 yds (which was great, and will probably be a lot of fun to watch all year) and threw for 140 yds (which is bad, and will probably be frustrating to watch all year) will be our QB all year.

I also aware of the irony in the people who are making fun of people for overreacting to us only throwing for 140 yds are simultaneously overreacting to us running for 330 yds.
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It looks like too many believed the smoke of 6 TDs in the fall scrimmage. I believe UAB was a bit better than our scout team, stars notwithstanding.
 
bshaw28 said:
King was throwing darts for sure. In addition to the throws you pointed out, he threw a laser to Harley on a slant that's gonna go for big yardage at some point. We're going to make some big plays in the passing game.

King was ridiculous in his escapability in the pocket, and as good as advertised in his athleticism and running. Another wrinkle is when King decides to actually keep the ball on those RPO's which he didn't vs. UAB.

I'm a big big fan of King and not hating on him at all. I think he's going to carry us to some big wins this year. He's a MUCH better QB than what we've had lately.

That being said - I'm not the type to sugarcoat things. King averaged 177 yds passing in his last 7 games & 149 yds the last 5 before the UAB game. Then he throws 141 yds vs UAB. He's averaged 172 yds passing over his last 8 games when he averaged 292 yds passing in the 12 games before that. To me, that's a red flag that's very realistically an issue.

I'm not going to tell you it's because he's rusty or UAB is a good defense. I'm going to tell he straight up missed some passes that were badly off. Passes downfield didn't look good. Taking off running at the end of the half on our hail mary play vs. staying in the pocket lead to 31 yd run, which looks great in the stats on paper - but it was a bad decision. Playing UAB and having 25 & 15 yds as your 2 longest pass plays isn't good. It's just not.

I'm not doom & gloom, or think the seasons over. I'm just slightly adjusting my expectations. Coming into the UAB I thought 9+ wins was a very real possibility for this year. Based on the UAB game - I think 7-8 wins is more realistic (which is similar to the type of team we've been).

Now maybe it's me over-reacting or just being negative. I hope I am. Maybe I'm pointing out the elephant in the room. I hope I'm not. I think King being lights out for the rest of the year and carrying us to a great season is still a very real possibility.
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Based on 3 bad passes (in his first game in over a year, with a new oc and new receiving corps - and minimal time to gain any sort of connection [3 spring practices, 0 summer ball, weird abridged fall]) and a decision to run instead of lob one in the end zone to end the first half - you think we’ll lose at least 2 more games than you originally thought. I think you can remove the “maybe” from your overreacting comment. You’ve discovered all you need to know... after three quarters of football.

Sure, he only threw for 140 against uab. That was in 3 quarters and on 24 attempts. Closer to 35 attempts (likely more balance in the o moving forward) at 67% and 6 yards per pass and he’s over 200 yards. Connect on one deep ball (I happen to think that’ll happen at least a few times over the course of the season) and the number goes higher.
 
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