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Golden wasn't a bad evaluator/developer, he just wasn't a good fit in Miami, and his inability to separate from Donofrio ruined his career..at least in the shorterm.

IMO more than anything Miami needs to
Sign better talented players, and that is what Mario does well.
He couldn’t separate from Denofrio BECAUSE IT WAS HIS DEFENSE!! It was in his dna and who he was. If he separates from that D he’s separating from his core and saying everything he’s been preaching / defending was wrong. Even though us fans had been saying this for years. Fact is he sucked as a coach and that’s why his *** hasn’t been one sense. He finally got a dc job in 22.

This denofrio narrative has got to stop , he’s a terrible HC.
 
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Told y’all golden was a better talent evaluator than given credit for
Was he ? He took so many non UM quality players that when he hits on two folks talk like he was Butch Davis lol. He couldn’t land quality guys enough so he had to hit the dumpster and dig for scraps. So he‘d find a tv that still works occasionally versus the 100’s of worthless takes. For every under the radar hit he had an ungodly amount of misses. He was a dumpster diver because he couldn’t recruit. His entire coaching career was fugazi just like it was at temple. He had Big East players playing against MAC players lol. And was still meh.
 
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It's as much of a symptom of us being further and further removed from relevancy as anything else. I don't think golden was a better talent evaluator at all, our name just held more weight (even in the midst of the scandal)

golden's recruits (specifically the early ones) could remember when we won a national title or even the dominance of 02' before the wheels starting coming off, Diaz's recruits weren't alive

only way to turn it around is to become relevant again
 
Golden had enough talent to win more than He did in 14' & 15'. Especially 14', that was easily a 10 win team with 7 NFL draft picks, He should've been fired after that season.
 
He couldn’t separate from Denofrio BECAUSE IT WAS HIS DEFENSE!! It was in his dna and who he was. If he separates from that D he’s separating from his core and saying everything he’s been preaching / defending was wrong. Even though us fans had been saying this for years. Fact is he sucked as a coach and that’s why his *** hasn’t been one sense. He finally got a dc job in 22.

This denofrio narrative has got to stop , he’s a terrible HC.
Yeah we can disagree. I'm not saying the 3-4 defense isn't Golden's, but just because of that, Dono was the DC. He called the plays. Their is a reason Golden was a HC at Temple and not Dono, their is a reason Golden was a HC at Miami and not Dono, their is a reason Golden was an NFL assistant, and not begging for jobs like Dono post Miami. Their is a reason Golden is the DC at Notre Dame now.

He is a better football coach than D’Onofrio.

Golden is a better teacher, I think a smarter guy, and just a better coach. Golden will get another HC job at some point imo. I think he will do a solid job when that does happen.
 
Yeah we can disagree. I'm not saying the 3-4 defense isn't Golden's, but just because of that, Dono was the DC. He called the plays. Their is a reason Golden was a HC at Temple and not Dono, their is a reason Golden was a HC at Miami and not Dono, their is a reason Golden was an NFL assistant, and not begging for jobs like Dono post Miami. Their is a reason Golden is the DC at Notre Dame now.

He is a better football coach than D’Onofrio.

Golden is a better teacher, I think a smarter guy, and just a better coach. Golden will get another HC job at some point imo. I think he will do a solid job when that does happen.
He’s a terrible head coach is what we know. Hence why ZERO programs have sniffed around him as a HC after his time here.

The whole denofrio is why he failed doesn’t make sense. That two gap , read and react garbage went against everything in south Florida. He tried to fit a square peg into a circle hole. He was atrocious. Temple was all smoke in mirrors because he had far better players than the MAC yet still underachieved.

So yea , we’ll disagree.
 
That’s a funny word for someone with your posting history to be throwing around on here
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He’s a terrible head coach is what we know. Hence why ZERO programs have sniffed around him as a HC after his time here.

The whole denofrio is why he failed doesn’t make sense. That two gap , read and react garbage went against everything in south Florida. He tried to fit a square peg into a circle hole. He was atrocious. Temple was all smoke in mirrors because he had far better players than the MAC yet still underachieved.

So yea , we’ll disagree.
Well for sure doing things 20 yds off the ball on the goal line is questionable
 
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But...you spent years on this forum telling us our talent level was high with all of these jabrone pros we've been producing. Some of us on here have been trying to tell you this has been happening, but you've been fighting it. This is not an interesting stat at all, its obvious. Just look at this team. Just because the Miami Hurricanes pros produced raw total had only been in a mild decline over time, the quality of that talent fell off a cliff...was it staggered a bit? Sure. But it was a very obvious decline in talent for years.

Those late Day 3 picks that gave us some raw total worthy of merit was a lot of nothing, but we were told on this forum for years something different.

Who would have thought that all of these 5-star and high 4-star busts we've had couldn't be replaced by the plethora of 3-stars we've gotten.

Um who are you talking to

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Golden had so many misevaluations, its crazy to see all the short memories praising his evaluations just because Manny was horrendous.

His trench evals on both sides of the ball were devastatingly bad.

Darius Smith
Kevin Grooms
Ricardo Wiilliams
Jalen Grimble
Antonio Kinard
Thomas Finnie
Juniior Alexis
Hunter Wells
Thurston Armbrister
Jelani Hamilton
Raphael Kirby
Dwayne Hoilett
Robert Lockhart
Earl Moore
Jacoby Briscoe
Preston Dewey
Gray Crow
D'Mauri Jones
Jawand Blue
Jontavious Carter
Taylor Gadbois
Vernon Davis
Danny Dillard
Larry Hope
Nate Dortch
Gaby Terry
Jake O'Donnell
Dequan Ivery
Kevin Olsen
Beau Sandland
Standish Dobard
Ufomba Kumalu
Alex Gall
Hunter Knighton
Ray Lewis III
Rykeem Lockley
Kiy Hester
Darrion Owens
Mike Smith
Calvin Heurtelou
Michael Wyche
Ryan Mayes
Trayone Gray
Juwon Young
Marques Gayot
Terry McCray
Joe Brown
Darrel Langham
Bar Milo
Jerome Washington
Jahir Jones
Charles Perry
Jamie Gordinier
Brendan Loftus
Hayden Mahoney
Ryan Fines
Tyler Gauthier
Robert Knowlees
Evan Shirreffs
James King
Terrance Henley
Lol you can say this about any coach my guy. And some of those dudes were good evals because they were 2 stars that started/helped the team and some even got drafted and played in the league for a while. Lot of those dudes got in trouble and some of them injured. Can’t blame him for those.
 
Well for sure doing things 20 yds off the ball on the goal line is questionable
Right. I hear they have these things called “ head sets “, you can actually talk to other coaches on them. Maybe Al the great head coach hit the button and goes “ hey mark , how about we being our safeties out of the back of the end zone , we’re playing GT, they’ll likely run”. You know why he didn’t ? Because it was his defense / scheme and Mark was doing what he wanted. He sat in those defensive meetings.
 
Lol you can say this about any coach my guy. And some of those dudes were good evals because they were 2 stars that started/helped the team and some even got drafted and played in the league for a while. Lot of those dudes got in trouble and some of them injured. Can’t blame him for those.
He had to depend on reaches because he sucked. And he missed on a god awful amount. For every Njoku was a crap load of Terrys , J Carter‘s, Dillard , J O’Donnell etc. The guy was so bad he had to be begged to take Perryman. One of our better players the last decade. Only because he wasn’t 6’4. He was clueless.
 
Lol you can say this about any coach my guy. And some of those dudes were good evals because they were 2 stars that started/helped the team and some even got drafted and played in the league for a while. Lot of those dudes got in trouble and some of them injured. Can’t blame him for those.
Not at a school like Miami. Majority of those names shouldn’t have an offer from a UM. It’s actually an indictment that we even called those type kids and had conversations with them lol. Coaches have some misses or misevaluations but when your are in the dollar bin way too much those chance's shoot through the roof. We were depending on reaches to survive. That’s unbelievable to type as a UM fan of over 35 plus years.
 
Not at a school like Miami. Majority of those names shouldn’t have an offer from a UM. It’s actually an indictment that we even called those type kids and had conversations with them lol. Coaches have some misses or misevaluations but when your are in the dollar bin way too much those chance's shoot through the roof. We were depending on reaches to survive. That’s unbelievable to type as a UM fan of over 35 plus years.
Oh yeah, no doubt! But I give him props for doing his own evals. He lived and died with the way he wanted to do things 😂
 
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He’s a terrible head coach is what we know. Hence why ZERO programs have sniffed around him as a HC after his time here.

The whole denofrio is why he failed doesn’t make sense. That two gap , read and react garbage went against everything in south Florida. He tried to fit a square peg into a circle hole. He was atrocious. Temple was all smoke in mirrors because he had far better players than the MAC yet still underachieved.

So yea , we’ll disagree.
He’s a terrible head coach is what we know. Hence why ZERO programs have sniffed around him as a HC after his time here.

The whole denofrio is why he failed doesn’t make sense. That two gap , read and react garbage went against everything in south Florida. He tried to fit a square peg into a circle hole. He was atrocious. Temple was all smoke in mirrors because he had far better players than the MAC yet still underachieved.

So yea , we’ll disagree.
He took over a terrible Temple program. They were winless had zero support.

He built them up to respectability.

He won 9 and 8 games at Temple in back to back years that isn't terrible. He also started funding the NFL with solid players at Temple.
After he left Temple they didn't have another player drafted for FOUR years, so yes I think he can identify and develop talent.

He comes to Miami, and takes over another terrible situation. Miami was getting killed on the trail with the yahoo hit piece and Shapiro stuff. They weren't spending money on the program. Facilities sucked, dorms sucked, assistant salaries sucked, the cavernous Sun Life Stafium or whatever before renovations was a terrible atmosphere. Miami couldn't go to bowl games his first few years.

Miami went 6-6, 7-5, 9-4 in his first 3 years. After the bowl loss to LVille, and then losing again first game the next year the negativity was so bad it went downhill fast.

I don't think he is great or anything, but I also don't think he is terrible.

I think you can credit him for having 21 players signed developed and drafted over his 4 plus years at Miami including 4 first rounders. Not shabby considering Miami has only 2 players invited to combine this year.
 
But...you spent years on this forum telling us our talent level was high with all of these jabrone pros we've been producing. Some of us on here have been trying to tell you this has been happening, but you've been fighting it. This is not an interesting stat at all, its obvious. Just look at this team. Just because the Miami Hurricanes pros produced raw total had only been in a mild decline over time, the quality of that talent fell off a cliff...was it staggered a bit? Sure. But it was a very obvious decline in talent for years.

Those late Day 3 picks that gave us some raw total worthy of merit was a lot of nothing, but we were told on this forum for years something different.

Who would have thought that all of these 5-star and high 4-star busts we've had couldn't be replaced by the plethora of 3-stars we've gotten.
I’ve been consistent in using NFL numbers. Those numbers help tell the story because they take my opinion and your opinion out of it.

The NFL is telling us the talent is dropping, just like it told us in the past that we were underachieving mightily relative to our talent.
 
Yeah we can disagree. I'm not saying the 3-4 defense isn't Golden's, but just because of that, Dono was the DC. He called the plays. Their is a reason Golden was a HC at Temple and not Dono, their is a reason Golden was a HC at Miami and not Dono, their is a reason Golden was an NFL assistant, and not begging for jobs like Dono post Miami. Their is a reason Golden is the DC at Notre Dame now.

He is a better football coach than D’Onofrio.

Golden is a better teacher, I think a smarter guy, and just a better coach. Golden will get another HC job at some point imo. I think he will do a solid job when that does happen.
The defense that Mark ran was 100% Al Golden's defensive scheme. Al was an Al Groh defensive disciple .... Groh got fired from his HC job and ended up as the DC at Ga Tech and Paul Johnson had to fire him because of it ... Johnson commented "Al has a defensive scheme that only works in his head ... he can't get it to work on the field". Golden ... same. Didn't matter who he hired as DC they would have been forced to run that same "bend don't break" scheme ... giving a 15 yard cushion to WR's (don't even mention QB's). Never forget one goal line stand in which he had a 4 man front and the other 7 guys at THE BACK of the end zone (guess he didn't want them to get hurt hitting the wall after scoring).
 
I’ve been consistent in using NFL numbers. Those numbers help tell the story because they take my opinion and your opinion out of it.

The NFL is telling us the talent is dropping, just like it told us in the past that we were underachieving mightily relative to our talent.

You've been failing to provide context for years. Your raw data dumps have constantly been refuted by myself, @bshaw28 and others. You make this post now as if its some revelation when others - like myself - have been saying our talent has fallen off a cliff...for years, not just now, all of a sudden. You've been propping up raw data based on a glut of day 3, fringe roster players for a decade now, brother. The ruse is over, I guess.

Glad you finally came around when it was all but obvious.

A'mod NeDMoney

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