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Interesting stat regarding the NFL Combine
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BoxingRobes
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But...you spent years on this forum telling us our talent level was high with all of these jabrone pros we've been producing. Some of us on here have been trying to tell you this has been happening, but you've been fighting it. This is not an interesting stat at all, its obvious. Just look at this team. Just because the Miami Hurricanes pros produced raw total had only been in a mild decline over time, the quality of that talent fell off a cliff...was it staggered a bit? Sure. But it was a very obvious decline in talent for years.
Those late Day 3 picks that gave us some raw total worthy of merit was a lot of nothing, but we were told on this forum for years something different.
Who would have thought that all of these 5-star and high 4-star busts we've had couldn't be replaced by the plethora of 3-stars we've gotten.
Those late Day 3 picks that gave us some raw total worthy of merit was a lot of nothing, but we were told on this forum for years something different.
Who would have thought that all of these 5-star and high 4-star busts we've had couldn't be replaced by the plethora of 3-stars we've gotten.
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Cookie917
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Are you insinuating Manny? See I think the difference is Manny took or was able to get more highly rated kids and they did not pan out. Yes that could be indictive of a bad eval, but I think was more so bad development/leadership (kids seemed to regress).
A vast majority of the kids you listed were 3 stars or no stars and should not have amounted to anything. legit the bottom third of the recruiting class. Any coach's bottom third is likely not impressive. Some were even taken post signing day after we whiffed on everyone and we needed a warm body to fill out a practice squad. Some of the higher ranked kids were kids we KNEW would not qualify/major red flags but he would go the Dan Mullen route to boost a recruiting class score. No way people thought Derrick Griffen had the grades to get in.
I mentioned recruiting was one of his issues so he may have identified kids who he really liked, but did not get, then had to go to plan c or d guys. I doubt for example he thought Evan Shirreifs or Gray Crow were going to lead us to the promise land.
Basically does not make him a bad evaluator or developer but a bad recruiter.
Look at the 3 stars and lower he hit on (bold are NFL guys):
Rashawn Scott (.82 no national ranking at all)
Perryman
Eddie Johnson (.82 no national ranking at all)
Thurston Armbrister (not ranked at all or even a decimal)
Jake O'Donnell
LaDarius Gunter (.82)
Rayshawn Jenkins (.85 #842)
Herb Waters,
Danny Isidora
Gus Edwards (.85 #681)
Njoku (.84 #851)
Herndon (.85 #713)
Berrios
Redwine (.85 #735)
Mike Jackson (.86 # 572)
I mean, that is a lot of NFL talent for the bottom third of the recruiting classes.
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Dude I just listed 60+ players. That’s more than bottom third. I didn’t even include guys that weren’t Miami caliber but played or started. His teams had vast depth issues
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Jelani Hamilton
+Top 5 SDE in the 2012 class.
+Was mired on the bench Miami. Was more interested in eating ice cream sandwiches than making plays on the field.
+Transferred to Akron in 2016. Had 11 total tackles in 5 games.
+Not sure what he's up to these days, but looking at his Twitter, he still attends Miami games.
Jacoby Briscoe
+Diamond in the rough 3* from Folden.
+Spent one year in Miami and went back home to ULM.
+Played two seasons there, but no Sr year or anything beyond.
+Appears to be a Winch driver in the Lafayette, LA area.
Both of these guys where big bodies, so I get why Golden bet on them. They just didn't work out.
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BostonCanes47
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Not talking about his coaching.
Outside of linebacker who did he take that fans groaned about?
Troutman is the only guy in the 21 class that maybe wasn’t a take at the time on this board. Then in 2020, the only guy I can think of is Chris Washington. 2019 there is Holley, Eigammel who people were excited about at the time, and Peyton. This was minimal pushback on this board with the guys he was taking. We missed on big time guys but the dudes he signed no one moaned about except for the guys listed above.
My point is that he was a worse judge of character and developer than talent evaluator. Not saying much but it’s the reason there was/is such a cancerous culture in that locker room.
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Was Perryman a Shannon recruit or did Golden snag him when he was hired for the final couple of months before signing day 2011?
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Some insane revisionist history going on here.
Goldens classes were littered with at least 50% of his classes with guys nobody wanted who quickly flamed out here. Yeah he found more diamond in the roughs than Diaz did because his classes were legit mostly made up of those dudes.
The guys Diaz landed the vast majority of people wanted unlike with golden. Diaz just landed dudes with **** character who he couldn’t develop but Diaz 1000% landed guys with higher ceilings, better talent than golden did but he did absolutely nothing with them.
Goldens classes were littered with at least 50% of his classes with guys nobody wanted who quickly flamed out here. Yeah he found more diamond in the roughs than Diaz did because his classes were legit mostly made up of those dudes.
The guys Diaz landed the vast majority of people wanted unlike with golden. Diaz just landed dudes with **** character who he couldn’t develop but Diaz 1000% landed guys with higher ceilings, better talent than golden did but he did absolutely nothing with them.
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KingCane20
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Avery Huff
Sam Brooks
Deandre Wilder
Waymon Steed
Keontra Smith
Tirek Austin Cave
Corey Flagg
Tyler Johnson
Deshawn Troutman
What are you talking about? You only see one questionable take from that group? Horrible evaluator talent man,
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Cookie917
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lol bruh you are just wrong on this one. Out of the "60" players bolded are players 4* or higher.
Kevin Grooms - (grades, was never making it)
Jalen Grimble (miss)
Jelani Hamilton (miss)
Raphael Kirby (dude was a captain in 2015 and season ending injury not all pro but not a total scrub)
Kevin Olsen (legacy, all would have taken him, but headcase)
Beau Sandland (Drafted by NFL)
Standish Dobard (I will say miss, but he played decent for us and kept having to switch positions)
Kiy Hester (good career at rutgers)
Bar Milo (miss but came with Kaaya)
So out of the 60+ only 9 were actually projected to do something.
Also a hugeeee part of your list was the 2012 class when it was 2011 the scandal news broke. We werent getting anyone worth a **** that year. Evals or not.
Again, his recruiting sucked, his coaching sucked, he took wayyyyyy too many lower rated kids (likely not by choice), but his hit rate on those lower rated kids is impressive. I mean it is not hard to "evaluate" someone who is 6'3, 240lbs and running a 4.4. We just did not get those guys. Do you think he did a good job "evaluating" Duke Johnson? Because frankly I could do that. You are also correct we had depth issues (because we had scholarship reductions) but that was also from missing on kids and no one wanting to come to us because of sanctions.
BostonCanes47
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The board was legit drooling over huff, brooks, wilder, smith, and to a certain extent johnson.
People knew what Flagg was coming out of high school. I really don’t remember how people felt about steed.
Folks were excited above Cave because he was legit murdering dudes on his film.
Again it’s just troutman. Go look through the old threads and look at the class player rankings that the writers of this site released at the time of these players signings.
I’m talking about their evaluation at the time. What people at the time of their recruitment and singing thought of them, not what is known of those players now. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but no one was up in arms when the majority of those players were signed
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I might be wrong, but I feel like I remember it being Barrow pounding the table for Golden to offer Perryman at the last minute. Randy Shannon was like a fever dream to me at this point, so I have little recollection if he was after him at all or not
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First, what you’re saying about drooling on most of those guys isn’t true. Second, Manny is paid to evaluate, not us…Results speak for themselves…
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Well…. Hire a Temple Coach…. expect Temple results.
