Interesting from Barry

[hoops156]

I’ll make this easier…

let’s assume that this years squad is EXACTLY last year’s squad (though we obviously know it’s derivative of that squad - for the better, according to preseason Manny.)

2018 - 67th in Penalties
2019 - 120+ in penalties

(Almost) everyone agrees that penalties are a function of how well coached a team is. I wrote “almost” in parenthesis because you may disagree. But, if the variables called “kids” hasn’t changed - and the important variable that has is the variable called coaching, then (almost) everyone would agree that coaching is the problem we’re trying to solve for.

i agree with the penalties. we def are undisciplined and noticed it during the UF game. the one thing we did do well under richt was manage the penalties well

 

[JD08]

If players won't play the way they're coached to, there's probably a guy on the practice squad who's willing to take their place. If I'm the coach I'd rather see someone giving their all doing it the way they're taught than standing around watching players catch a pass behind them. How humiliated would Ivey be if he found out his playing time was given to 5'7" Jimmy Murphy?

 

[streetja]

Manny not benching Ivey tells me his soul is dying and the fight is no longer there. Can't believe he didn't even tear into him. Unbelievably there's been a point where this has happened to every coach we've had for the past 20 years. Players and coaches both suck a fat one.

 

[mirasuegui]

Well stated!!! Every team needs effort players; players that over achieve despite their physical limitations

agree we been below 85 for quite a while how can you hold players accountable when you barely got enough players to put on the field> roll 30 players in every year, it doesn't take more than 2 weeks who the keepers are. Asked the other to leave and bring another 30 next cycle. I never seen so many walk on's on special teams.

 

[Stylie]

Manny not benching Ivey tells me his soul is dying and the fight is no longer there. Can't believe he didn't even tear into him. Unbelievably there's been a point where this has happened to every coach we've had for the past 20 years. Players and coaches both suck a fat one.

Can you imagine how Saban would had responded in that very moment?

 

[bacane]

Exactly. On this particular play thought i believe that Ivey's technique was to press his gunner out of bounds, thereby making him ineligible to catch a pass. Only then should he release him. And if the receiver gets off the jam you cover him throughout the duration of the kick coverage.

If you review the play you'll see the field side corner did exactly this. Ivey just got lazy on the boundary gunner.

If true, then Ivey should be on the bench come punt return time Saturday. No excuse for his brain fart.

 

[GojiraCane]

Yes, and Flake would have named Manny a


Yes indeed! Let’s now add Roster Attrition to the ever growing list of excuses for failure.

I’m not against starting over...we just need to understand that it has a short term roster impact. That’s all. And when you do it severa times in a decade, you are going to have repeated roster implications.

 

[Calvin]

And that was done because that’s where the help was. If he pushes his man to the inside that ball is likely kicked for fear of the help in the middle of the field. It seems like a small thing, but I can almost guarantee you that was the punters key. If he lets his man go streaking down the sideline throw the ball because the return man can’t cover that much ground in enough time, or at least you like your chances he can’t. When coaches say 10 guys do it right and one guy doesn’t now everybody looks stupid, put this play on loop! Again if he just pushes his man inside just like bandy did we probably aren’t having this discussion. It LOOKS like no big deal but to GT it looked like 7

You are correct about the punters key read, but i said this in another thread, the reason these coaches keep going for these special team plays against us is because of what they're seeing on film, and our defensive alignments on 4th downs, the coaching staff manny put together are flawed like that. I can almost guarantee you that was not the first time our db's gave out side releases because on special teams unlike defense the outside guys are consistently taught to push their men to the outside, do not give them inside releases, for returns sake not coverage. And normally on fake punts, nobody's throwing a bomb, i can almost guarantee you that's why coach diaz is talking about they went over that formation about an hour before it happen, lol, sounds ridiculous, i bet when they went over that play they were thinking about a deeper punt, but i can c almost guarantee you since that punt was on a more condense and shorter field, they the coaching staff wasnt expecting that punter to throw a bomb like that, which is why you got coach diaz talking about "an hour before it happened" instead of saying they mentioned it to the players right before the lined up, or call a timeout, what you holding them for, why, because the coaches didnt see that coming either.

Just think how long you been watching football, when have you ever seen a punter throw a bomb like that, normall fake punts are 15yrds and under type passes, so coach diaz can say what he wants, the facts dont back him up!

 

[Calvin]

This team is so god**** soft.

From the head to the feet, it's rotten.

Which is why coach richt sided with his coaches when it came to the crybabies trying to mutiny, coach richt was weeding that **** out last year, slowly but surely.

 

[NicKane]

What are you,12 years old with the "I'm not Nevin Shapiro, you are" nonsense. I agree the current state of the team and admin are not doing us any favors. If you think by the fans not acting like spoiled children calling for heads by way of flying a banner is some sort of Canes treason you are a bigger moron than I thought when I sent the first message. Fact is Chief, You can fly 1,000 banners and the only change you will affect is peoples opinions on how truly delusional a small sect of Canes fans really are. We are the only people who thought we would jump right back to dominance first year with no issues. Ironically, say Diaz, James & the SJW Strawley did get fired, your direct actions may prevent us landing an actual professional coach, not mine. So please tuck your ***** and go fuuck yourself.

Are you ******* serious dude! Holy **** your a moron! And you really think it’s a small sect of fans? You sure about that sport? Apparently you haven’t been reading the blog/threads here lately because the vast majority want this admin put to the stake for there crimes and the only thing that is preventing us from getting a real AD is the cess pool of nepotism and SJW academics running this program into the grOund making football decisions about sport they don’t know **** about! I know you and go canes are payed to come on here by the Hecht center to pretend like everything is ok and no one expected a championship year one but I can tell you want was expected fvcko beating a rebuilding UNC team that won two games last year, beating the now second worst team in the ACC in Gtech which now makes us the worst team ACC, blowing out a putrid CMU team also going through a rebuild and I’ll save the worst for last, beating a devoid of talent vtech team that already quit on there coach. We all atleast expected that much punk! But you know what, there’s no waking up you SMALL sect of slurper, homer, super fan Hecht mole fools like you and Go Canes. So why don’t you go bunker down and hold @Go Canes!! Hand in your safe room In the Hecht and Play swords with your ****s! Lmao

 

[Go Canes!!]

Are you ******* serious dude! Holy **** your a moron! And you really think it’s a small sect of fans? You sure about that sport? Apparently you haven’t been reading the blog/threads here lately because the vast majority want this admin put to the stake for there crimes and the only thing that is preventing us from getting a real AD is the cess pool of nepotism and SJW academics running this program into the grOund making football decisions about sport they don’t know **** about! I know you and go canes are payed to come on here by the Hecht center to pretend like everything is ok and no one expected a championship year one but I can tell you want was expected fvcko beating a rebuilding UNC team that won two games last year, beating the now second worst team in the ACC in Gtech which now makes us the worst team ACC, blowing out a putrid CMU team also going through a rebuild and I’ll save the worst for last, beating a devoid of talent vtech team that already quit on there coach. We all atleast expected that much punk! But you know what, there’s no waking up you SMALL sect of slurper, homer, super fan Hecht mole fools like you and Go Canes. So why don’t you go bunker down and hold @Go Canes!! Hand in your safe room In the Hecht and Play swords with your ****s! Lmao

I rest my case.

 

[Silver King]

Oh, God. You’re finding a way to slurp Richt and Diaz in the same post. Jesus.

Really you should only be able to slurp one of those 2 coRches at a time, since you have to blame Diaz’s problems on Richt in order to slurp Diaz.

Anyway, Richt sucked but Diaz sucks even more.

Thanks for the insight thumbs-boy keep coaching up those video games.

 

[DemCanesByke]

Which is why coach richt sided with his coaches when it came to the crybabies trying to mutiny, coach richt was weeding that **** out last year, slowly but surely.

when thomas brown called kids cancers he was spot on. He took alot of grief but coaching or no coaching i wouldnt want half of this kids on my team

 

[Calvin]

when thomas brown called kids cancers he was spot on. He took alot of grief but coaching or no coaching i wouldnt want half of this kids on my team

This is also why i dont like the bandwagon recruits, the True Canes come in no matter what, alot of the guys we got from that 2018 class were bandwagon recruits who became instant crybabies.

 

[Cane4Life94]

You are correct about the punters key read, but i said this in another thread, the reason these coaches keep going for these special team plays against us is because of what they're seeing on film, and our defensive alignments on 4th downs, the coaching staff manny put together are flawed like that. I can almost guarantee you that was not the first time our db's gave out side releases because on special teams unlike defense the outside guys are consistently taught to push their men to the outside, do not give them inside releases, for returns sake not coverage. And normally on fake punts, nobody's throwing a bomb, i can almost guarantee you that's why coach diaz is talking about they went over that formation about an hour before it happen, lol, sounds ridiculous, i bet when they went over that play they were thinking about a deeper punt, but i can c almost guarantee you since that punt was on a more condense and shorter field, they the coaching staff wasnt expecting that punter to throw a bomb like that, which is why you got coach diaz talking about "an hour before it happened" instead of saying they mentioned it to the players right before the lined up, or call a timeout, what you holding them for, why, because the coaches didnt see that coming either.

Just think how long you been watching football, when have you ever seen a punter throw a bomb like that, normall fake punts are 15yrds and under type passes, so coach diaz can say what he wants, the facts dont back him up!

I hear you on the time out part, but that’s not how I understood the quote I believe he said almost an hour earlier they lined up in the same formation “but punted” ie it was an in game adjustment. So it wasn’t an hour before the game. The coaches saw something in game and reiterated to them it was imperative to be technically sound. Both coaches and players gotta do better, or they need to be replaced. Probably a combination of both.

 

[DemCanesByke]

This is also why i dont like the bandwagon recruits, the True Canes come in no matter what, alot of the guys we got from that 2018 class were bandwagon recruits who became instant crybabies.

ill never forget pope crying abt playing time and he looked like a pop warner player out there

 

[SFbayCane]

Honest question. Do you think 10-12 more scholarship players will make that much of a difference across at least 21 positions not including special teams, and I say that because excluding rb’s every other position is lacking. At what point do these dudes take more pride in what they put on tape effort and focus wise regardless of what play is called or who is calling it. At what point do they give it all for the U and there futures regardless of circumstances, or are they ok with being 5,6,7 round picks every year cause no team is spending a 1st round pick based on talent alone.

11 scholarships equals 13% of the allowable scholarships. So yes, I DO think that a 13% increase in the available workforce can have a significant effect on output. The easy example is kicker. If we had a second scholarship kicker on the roster we'd likely have a better record then 3-4 today. And that still leaves 10 more players available for team improvement based on your question.

Keep in mind the NCAA's allowable maximum for football scholarships went from 93 to 85 about 20 years ago. The goal was to disburse the upper echelon talent to more teams/schools. That was an 8 scholarship delta and it had a notable effect on a number of programs.

There are other components in play as well. As I noted, the cultural component of having greater competition is there. Moreover, it allows for greater latitude in recruiting efficacy. A recruiting "miss" becomes less significant.

 

[423Hurricane]

Many on here wanting the entire AD and coaching staff handed pink slips. I get it. I understand.

But at what cost? It'll take a cargo ship load of $$$ to do that.

And what if Manny does make changes to the staff? Who's he going after, and better yet, who'll want to come to this debacle? His coaching tree is extremely limited and that's why he has the coaches currently on staff.

As I said in another thread, we're between a rock and a hard place. Unless a cargo ship full of $$$ shows up at the Port Of Miami addressed to the U, I don't see anything happening anytime soon.

Wish in one had, s**t in the other and see which one fills up faster.

 

[Calvin]

ill never forget pope crying abt playing time and he looked like a pop warner player out there

When you got 1 catch for the whole season, he should be the poster child and team advocatee for recommending guys to redshirt, he would've been a much better receiver had he redshirted last year, he set his on future back by being selfish. What he's doing this year, ok, but he still has along ways to go.

 

[CANEFAN83]

Many on here wanting the entire AD and coaching staff handed pink slips. I get it. I understand.

But at what cost? It'll take a cargo ship load of $$$ to do that.

And what if Manny does make changes to the staff? Who's he going after, and better yet, who'll want to come to this debacle? His coaching tree is extremely limited and that's why he has the coaches currently on staff.

As I said in another thread, we're between a rock and a hard place. Unless a cargo ship full of $$$ shows up at the Port Of Miami addressed to the U, I don't see anything happening anytime soon.

Wish in one had, s**t in the other and see which one fills up faster.

This is why it makes most sense to get rid of the AD and athletic dept., and then the HC on down. Start over fresh with a new competent AD to hire the next coach at Miami.