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give the ball to walton and everyone block.
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Here my take on the game using an analysis based on how UT played against App State and how UT played against VT…
App State Defense…
They had a great game plan and executed it well against UT. I watched the entire game and the whole time I was amazed at how bad UT reacted to App State’s obvious game plan. App State played off the receivers on almost every play 5 – 10 yards. From what I saw they did this for 2 reasons. (1) They dared UT to beat them with the pass and (2) they backed off the receivers to overplay the run in their zone. They trusted that their linebackers could react with speed and their corners could contain the run. It worked, it’s really that simple. They were not scared of UT passing ability and why should they have been?
Tenn threw about as good as they can against App State and did not have much success in the air against VT.
Tenn run was basically stuffed against App State and was a little above avg against VT.
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Kaaya should have a good numbers against App State however our running game could be challenged. I personally feel like App State was effective against UTs running game because they were able to over play the run because Dodd isn’t that consistent of a passer. They will not be able to do that against us. I mean do you go into a Miami matchup and say you’re going to overplay the run and dare Kaaya to beat you? I also think we have a better ground game right now than UT does. Yearby seems to have improved in every area, balance, quickness, strength and vision and Walton seems to have transitioned to a Miami back of old. The question is obviously our OLine.
App State Offense…
They are lucky to have scored against UT. They had two lucky plays that lead to their scoring drives. One was a fumble by one of the best kick returners in the game that gave App State a hella short field. The other drive was a setup by a deep pass where the UT defender fell down during the catch and the App State guy had no one between him and the goal line. App State also looked scared to pass. I mean they would run the ball on 3rd and 6 against UT when everyone else in the country would have passed it.
Tenn did an ok job against the App State run. Basically did the same thing against VT.
Tenn shut down the app state passing offense and gave up twice that amount to VT.
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App State could barely get on the board against UT and VT did ok against UT considering they had 4 drive killing turnovers. The UT vs VT score was lopsided because of VTs 4 turnover on fumbles. App State put up only 292 total yards on UT while VT put up about 400 total yards that would have been more if they didn’t have the fumbles. That tells me App States Offense would be one of the worst offenses in the ACC if not at the very bottom. I think our defensive numbers will be very similar against App State as they were in our other games and we will hold App State to under 17 points. Also from what I saw the App State kicker was lacking at best.
Miami 37 App State 16
As a side note tell me how App State game plans against Miami? Are we a one dimensional running team or not? I think Richt has been calling vanilla plays for a reason. He has not shown what’s in the play book and has teams guessing at what our identity is right now. He is running the ball to keep our defenses play count down to a minimum and he has not played his cards one bit.
App State Defense…
They had a great game plan and executed it well against UT. I watched the entire game and the whole time I was amazed at how bad UT reacted to App State’s obvious game plan. App State played off the receivers on almost every play 5 – 10 yards. From what I saw they did this for 2 reasons. (1) They dared UT to beat them with the pass and (2) they backed off the receivers to overplay the run in their zone. They trusted that their linebackers could react with speed and their corners could contain the run. It worked, it’s really that simple. They were not scared of UT passing ability and why should they have been?
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UT Offense vs App State vs VT
Pass 16/29 192yds 10/19 91yds
Rush 127 (3.0 avg) 239 yds (5.2 avg)Tenn threw about as good as they can against App State and did not have much success in the air against VT.
Tenn run was basically stuffed against App State and was a little above avg against VT.
Translation…
Kaaya should have a good numbers against App State however our running game could be challenged. I personally feel like App State was effective against UTs running game because they were able to over play the run because Dodd isn’t that consistent of a passer. They will not be able to do that against us. I mean do you go into a Miami matchup and say you’re going to overplay the run and dare Kaaya to beat you? I also think we have a better ground game right now than UT does. Yearby seems to have improved in every area, balance, quickness, strength and vision and Walton seems to have transitioned to a Miami back of old. The question is obviously our OLine.
App State Offense…
They are lucky to have scored against UT. They had two lucky plays that lead to their scoring drives. One was a fumble by one of the best kick returners in the game that gave App State a hella short field. The other drive was a setup by a deep pass where the UT defender fell down during the catch and the App State guy had no one between him and the goal line. App State also looked scared to pass. I mean they would run the ball on 3rd and 6 against UT when everyone else in the country would have passed it.
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UT Defense vs App State vs VT
Pass D 15/23 108yds 20/28 214yds
Rush D 184 (4.3 avg) 186 yds (4.1 avg)Tenn shut down the app state passing offense and gave up twice that amount to VT.
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App State could barely get on the board against UT and VT did ok against UT considering they had 4 drive killing turnovers. The UT vs VT score was lopsided because of VTs 4 turnover on fumbles. App State put up only 292 total yards on UT while VT put up about 400 total yards that would have been more if they didn’t have the fumbles. That tells me App States Offense would be one of the worst offenses in the ACC if not at the very bottom. I think our defensive numbers will be very similar against App State as they were in our other games and we will hold App State to under 17 points. Also from what I saw the App State kicker was lacking at best.
Miami 37 App State 16
As a side note tell me how App State game plans against Miami? Are we a one dimensional running team or not? I think Richt has been calling vanilla plays for a reason. He has not shown what’s in the play book and has teams guessing at what our identity is right now. He is running the ball to keep our defenses play count down to a minimum and he has not played his cards one bit.
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Awesome, Thank you
I think app state has nothing to prepare against us. I mean **** richt hasn't called plays since 2006 and we have shown nothing so far. That's a very distinct advantage that will help us going into fsu as well
"Luck is where preparation and opportunity meet"
Lucky Plays: Taking advantage of an over eager defense by calling a play action wheel route to the RB is not lucky. It was a good play call that resulted in the RB being matched up on a defensive end. The fumble recovery was lucky for the first TD drive however the TD was not. From there App still had to drive 36 yards:
1&10: Incomplete pass
2&10: Marcus Cox run for 20 yards
1&10: Marcus Cox, no gain
2&10: Marcus Cox run 11 yards
1&GL Taylor Lamb play action, run behind option, cut back to the left for TD.
That said, the passing game was lacking for my taste, and the final drive before OT showed that App could've passed the ball however that was the first time in the game I saw slant routes over the middle of the field. It was clear that the game plan was to run left, run right, run the sweep, run left, run right, if needed pass, run clock, run some more clock, play defense. The idea was to keep the game tight until the 4th quarter and have the ball last which worked, until clock management was an issue.
Overall, I agree with your assessment minus the assumption that because App couldn't score at will against Tennessee, that they won't be able to score against Miami. Tennessee's defense was more experienced and has arguably better athletes than what Miami will be starting. You can't have an honest assessment of Miami's capabilities on defense from the FAU and FAMU. Both schools would likely be +21 to +35 against App much like they were against Miami.
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Tennessee is not starting better athletes than Miami on defense, not even close... Were they better coached in years prior? Yes
But check the recent NFL rosters and our current talent we have recruiting rankings and you'll see that you're wrong
Recruiting rankings are arbitrary. If they are any indications of what SHOULD happen, Miami should've been winning the ACC since joining, however Virginia Tech was the one running the show until recently. I'm basing this all on what i've seen from the FAU, FAMU games and what I saw when UT played Tech and App. The defense just looks bigger and faster across the board. Three true freshman linebackers will likely grow into their frames in the coming years, however as of right now I have to go with UT.
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Miami put 10 guys into the NFL in one year and went 6-7 with that team. Miami's issues the last 15 years has been all coaching. The talent has not been the problem. The entire 2013 offense outside of Coley who is still on the team is on an NFL roster right now. Yet that team didn't even win their division.
As blind as some on here are with Miami, you are just as blind with your black and yellow glasses. Appy State is a good team that can be dangerous if you take them lightly. A focused Miami squad with a legitimate coach should win by 10+.
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Win by 10 vs a 2nd rate team.... yeah if that's true we might as well forfeit for fsu
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You're dumb.
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oddshark picking miami to lose 35-27
The spread is 5 for a reason.
Lol @ some of you saying we win by at least 30. Jesus Christ. It's as if you just started watching CFB.
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I have to disagree on UT Defense having better Athletes. They have more depth and more experience but our starting front seven (which is all that matters against App State) is as good. I see NFLers at every position. Da meet cha Miss Jackson is going need a police escort out of Boone when its all said and done. Shaq and Pick may actually be the best two linebackers we have had playing next to each other since even before 2011. If they played UT again I wouldn't be surprised if they scored in the single digits.
I also gave them another score against us because I think our lack of depth is going to wear on us late in the game. The point is they didnt even get 300 yards against UT. VT put up 14 on UT in the first quarter and was about to roll but they folded like little girls from the fumbles.
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same way i feel....im literally trying to find a reason that we dont beat them by 2 scores...and cant find it. I have no clue why you guys gauge them off of Tenn...who imo arent good..and didnt care much about that game...
Because they aren't a bad team at all. And we aren't that good.
It's actually really simple.