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Handsome Squidbum said:
They didn’t easily destroy Ohio St. or PSU.
**** Iowa got a 4th quarter pick and ran it to the IU 29 with 2:36 to go and the score tied 13-13. They ended up missing an easy FG and then gave up a 50 yd TD that put IU ahead.

Ohio St blew two chances to win. Should have taken the pts when in the 3rd quarter from the IU 5 instead of going for it. Would have been a tied game instead of down 3. And then missing the FG later to tie.

IU doesn’t have a magical luck machine but they certainly have gotten several bounces going their way.

If they had blown the doors of Ohio St, I’d be right with you saying “WTF is going on here.” Instead I see a well coached team that just makes fewer mistakes than its opponent. And when dealing with college kids that tend to do dumb things like false starts or late hits, that’s usually all the edge they need.

I mean you just need to watch Miami football for the last 20 years to see what happens when a vastly more talented team loses to a far less talented opponent due to self inflicted penalties. My guess is the talent difference between Middle Tennessee state and UM is a lot bigger than the talent difference between Oregon and Indiana. And MTSU blew the doors off UM in our own stadium.

And I know the counter argument is that those types of things might happen a couple times but not for 13 games. it didn’t happen for 13 games. IU feasted on G5 opponents and B1G floormats the bulk of the season, with the remainder being games where they had comparable talent (Iowa , Illinois) and maybe 3 opponents where they had a real talent disadvantage (OSU, Bama, Oregon. Not counting coachless PSU).

Indiana crushed Illinois- and at first glance it looks suspicious but then you see it was like the Ducks game- Illinois gave up a blocked punt TD, 4 sacks, multiple 30+ yard pass plays in the FIRST HALF and was down 35-10 at half time. They gave up. No cheating necessary.

Then they played Iowa and trailed in the 4th quarter. Traded INTs and then a Missed IOwa FG gave Indiana the chance to take the lead. No cheating needed there.

Then there was the 10 pt win against overrated Oregon. Oregon gets a pick 6 to tie it 20 all in the 4th quarter (even IU makes mistakes). Indiana engineers a 12 play 75 yd drive to take a TD lead. Cheating? Not any more than Beck driving Miami down the field against Ole ****. Moore is a vastly overrated QB, he then throws a pick on the next possession and IU closes it out. Again I don’t see any cheating required. Good coaching and discipline wins that game.

IU then plays a bunch of b1g tomato cans to close out the season until the B1G championship game. But in that run they still have to hang on by their fingernails to beat a PSU team without a HC. PSU ran for 118 yards on the IU defense.

We already talked about OSU and how OSU blew it. Bama didn’t deserve to be in the playoffs and we know all about the SEC living off bloated reputation. Oregon was another self destruction.

as I said, on paper it all looks suspicious. But when you break down the games, I don’t see anything odd other than getting some lucky breaks like missed FGs and fumbles bouncing right back into their hands. That said- based on the missed FGs and lucky bounces- I can’t rule out the possibility they put magnets in the football.
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Maybe the 3 star player ceiling shows up every few games ...and another team's talent advantage can overcome the "prior knowledge" cheat code advantage sometimes
 
It also didn't help that Moore got happy feet and held on to the ball waaaaayy too long after that INT. That's a huge difference between having a QB that has big game experience vs. one that is just starting to get it. This game will be a dog fight, Miami shows up like it did against OSU and we win.
 
WesternMDCane said:
Right about Saban, he won the title in year 3, their rise is almost exactly the same. Cignetti is from the Saban tree so the coaching pedigree is there.
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Right but by year three he had edit a dozen NFL draft picks on the team. His first season he was 7-6. And Bama was 6-7 and 10-2 the prior two seasons. IU in far far worse shape than that, and this guy with a bunch of JMU transfer and zero NFL picks nearly goes undefeated in the B1G immediately?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but if that was done legitimately than every single NFL team should be lining up to give this guy 20 mil a year to coach bc it would be the most incredible unprecedented coaching job in sports history.

Edit: here are the NFL players Saban had by year THREE:

Terrance Cody, Dont'a Hightower, Nico Johnson, Coutrney Upshaw, Mark Barron, Marcel Dareus, Dre Kirkpatrick, Julio Jones, DJ Fluker, James Carpenter, Greg McElroy, Mark Engram, Trent Richardson.

IU is project to have Mendoza and Surrat.....

Again, would be the greatest coaching job in the history of sports, which is of course possible, but extremely unlikely.
 
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jifarina said:
It also didn't help that Moore got happy feet and held on to the ball waaaaayy too long after that INT. That's a huge difference between having a QB that has big game experience vs. one that is just starting to get it. This game will be a dog fight, Miami shows up like it did against OSU and we win.
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Sometimes prior knowledge can be used for schemes that confuse QBs long enough to make them hold the ball for a couple of seconds extra
 
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I don’t believe it, although if it came to light as true, it wouldn’t shock me. But Cignetti has been a savant winner everywhere he’s gone - I’ll believe he’s just that good of a coach until given reason otherwise.
 
caneworld said:
Sometimes prior knowledge can be used for schemes that confuse QBs long enough to make them hold the ball for a couple of seconds extra
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Ture, and Haines has been known to present more confusing looks for the QB. But it was noticeable watching a less confident version of Moore throwing it around.
 
GojiraCane said:
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Thread 'Know Your Enemy - 2025 Miami Hurricanes vs 2025 Indiana Hoosiers'

The following is a side-by-side roster comparison of current rosters for Miami and Indiana heading into the national championship.

Names in green denote incoming players in their first year in their respective programs:

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AVERAGE COLLEGE EXPERIENCE
  • 2025: 1.77 years (Miami), 2.16 years (Indiana)
AVERAGE 247 RATING
  • 2025: 0.9024 (Miami), .8471 (Indiana) *
*excludes transfers Carter Davis (PK) and Adam Booker (LS), neither who are listed on 247's transfer compilation

If special teams are excluded...
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That's a composite. Here are the actual starters and package guys according to our roster. We are pretty **** veteran group.

Offense
Marion 5th Year
Daniels 6th Year
Toney 1st Year (as if it matters)
Trader 1st Year
Moore 1st Year
Beck 6th Year
Fletcher 3rd Year (as if it matters)
Marty Brown 3rd Year
Bell 4th Year
McCoy 4th Year / Okunula 3rd Year
Brockmeyer 4th Year
Cooper 4th Year
Mauigoa 3rd Year (as if it matters)
Bauman 4th Year

Defense
Bain 3rd Year (as if it matters)
Mesidor 6th Year
Moten 4th Year / Blay 5th Year
Justin Scott 2nd Year
Blount 2nd Year / Lightfoot 2nd Year
Toure 7th Year
Bissainthe 4th Year
O'Connor 3rd Year
Brown 3rd Year / Lucas 2nd Year
Frederque 3rd Year
Fitzgerald 1st Year (as if it matters)
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
My guess is they aren’t cheating but they are using a new technology to give themselves a competitive edge.

Along the lines of the first team to use film to study an opponent back in the 1920 or 30s. Probably took a while for everyone else to catch on and probably some coaches thought it was too “new school” and refused it.
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Probably cutting edge AI scouting tech or sumn
 
Pentagon Cane said:
That's a composite. Here are the actual starters and package guys according to our roster. We are pretty **** veteran group.

Offense
Marion 5th Year
Daniels 6th Year
Toney 1st Year (as if it matters)
Trader 1st Year
Moore 1st Year
Beck 6th Year
Fletcher 3rd Year (as if it matters)
Bell 4th Year
McCoy 4th Year / Okunula 3rd Year
Brockmeyer 4th Year
Mauigoa 3rd Year (as if it matters)
Bauman 4th Year

Defense
Bain 3rd Year (as if it matters)
Mesidor 6th Year
Moten 4th Year / Blay 5th Year
Justin Scott 2nd Year
Blount 2nd Year / Lightfoot 2nd Year
Toure 7th Year
Bissainthe 4th Year
O'Connor 3rd Year
Brown 3rd Year / Lucas 2nd Year
Frederque 3rd Year
Fitzgerald 1st Year (as if it matters)
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It is not just experience... there is limited time to practice the number of plays... knowing them previously from hacked info can allow players to focus on those ones instead of the whole freaking play book. Like learning answers to a few specific questions on a test instead of the whole d@mn book.

It also allows players to process key in game information more quickly and effectively... recognizing things a second earlier can make game altering differences in execution
 
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More than likely they are advanced at picking up on signals, tendencies, formations, etc. It’s possible there’s technology involved, but probably not illegal or “cheating.”

Starting to see this a lot in the NFL where some have gotten more advanced than others. Liam Coen for instance - Robert Saleh mentioned how Coen “legally cheats” and that created a bit of a stir. I’d imagine there’s technology involved and some have figured it out better than others up to this point
 
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caneworld said:
It is not just experience... there is limited time to practice the number of plays... knowing them previously from hacked info can allow players to focus on those ones instead of the whole freaking play book. Get 80% nailed down, is a huge advantage in practice reps
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Will we change the signals? Absolutely. Will we break some of our tendencies? Absolutely. You don't think Indiana has broken down Miami in film via AI and other tools with a gazillion analysts? You don't think we've done the same? You guys are overthinking this. Assume it's true and prepare.

Could Indiana be cheating? After what Michigan did, absolutely possible and likely probable. Better to prepare for it now.
 
Pentagon Cane said:
Will we change the signals? Absolutely. Will we break some of our tendencies? Absolutely. You don't think Indiana has broken down Miami in film via AI and other tools with a gazillion analysts? You don't think we've done the same? You guys are overthinking this. Assume it's true and prepare.

Could Indiana be cheating? After what Michigan did, absolutely possible and likely probable. Better to prepare for it now.
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Agreed.. knowing about the possibility of cheating helps us
 
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