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Indiana cheating ?

The fact that Catapult is a Mark Cuban firm, and that Cuban is basically underwriting Indiana's entire program, should be reason for Cristobal, Dawson, and Heatherman, to go through a complete signals change and go COMPLETE analog this entire week.

I do hope the playbook isn't online. I suspect my hope is forlorn, as most coaches these days store their stuff in the Cloud.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Alabama's and Oregon's entire play sheets were hacked and downloaded into an anonymous off-campus ISP by some grad assistant in Bloomington. Ours too.

NIL has made the stakes much higher.
 
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SayWhat said:
Regarding the DB knowing the play, no.

Ball is snapped, corner is 7 yards off the ball, eyes on the QB, takes a few steps back and outside, Moore locks onto his receiver, never moves his eyes off of him, terrible stare down, corner sees all of this recognizing the play is coming there, and Moore throws the ball inside versus outside.

That isn't knowing the play, it's what every corner in the country is taught. It's also what every QB in the country is taught not to do. Throw it to the outside at the very least as the corner has to go through the receiver to get their hands on the ball to try and knock it down. 90 percent if the time, the corner accepts defeat and tries to just make a hit and wrap up.

I'm not dismissing the idea that something underhanded could go on, but that's as weak of a case as there is.
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Fair enough. I have no idea if they cheat. I'm just baffled at how good they are.
 
pacusmc said:
That’s all fine and dandy, but they’re doing it with a squad that is basically James Madison with the number one draft Pick. It still doesn’t make any sense.
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Sure it does. Cignetti just took what a lot of teams were doing to the next level and had somewhat unique circumstances that let him do what others can’t, even if they wanted to.

A lot of people agree it doesn’t make sense to pay an unproven 5 star hs qb 4 million per year when you can a proven 4 year starter who was a 2 star out of HS for the same amount. Now apply that philosophy across every position. Why haven’t other teams done this? Two reasons-

1. Modern NIL era with unlimited transfers only started 2 years ago. Mendoza wouldn’t be starting with the rules from 2020. I bet What Cignetti is doing will be copied by deep pocketed, irrelevant football programs in the future.

2. Deep pocketed irrelevant football programs have the leeway to ignore HS recruiting. Imagine the pressure and criticism on Lanning, Smart, or Cristobal if they outright said “I don’t give a f#ck about HS recruiting and will just buy players from other rosters.” One bad season and they would be run out of town. No one cared if Cignetti muddled through a 2 win season trying to implement his vision. Indiana, with the biggest alumni base in cfb, mutiple billionaires, and no football success was somewhat uniquely positioned to do something others couldn’t.

In the future, who else could get away with this and do the same ? Off the top of my head i think the Cignetti model could be replicated by teams like Stanford, SMU, and even Oregon State (say Jensen Huang developed an interest in football).

To a lesser extent we saw Kiffin do this in 2023 with Ole Miss. he nearly ran the table with a transfer roster made up of mostly players from G5 and middling P4 teams. Norvell DID run the regular season table that same year with a transfer roster at FSU.

Cignettis team looks like an outlier because he has so many JMU players- but those are players HE recruited out of HS and evaluated. Hes got a player friendly system, excellent evals , and unlimited money. Hes obviously outperforming the models but I understand how it happens. Maybe he is cheating, but I can explain his success without having to go there.
 
SFbayCane said:
By his own admission, Cignetti ONLY focuses on signing players who've shown good production in their college careers. Everyone he signed from the portal has shown good on-field production..... except for one..... Brock Schott.

Why?
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Maybe because Schott was an in-state HS player Cig recruited of high school and Schott has four years of eligibility?
 
Team meetings this week...

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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
It’s been rough for you having to pretend that you’re into this winning streak. Hang in there.
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One game from a natty and you’re still moping. Sad that you can’t enjoy it with the rest of us.

Like our offense the first half of the year, you’re getting too predictable - we already know you have the “I know @Angry Ibis is happy” post teed up if we lose and another one of these mope about mopes being right posts when we win. Open the playbook a bit.

We got 6 on the table and you have big time tears because posters aren’t mad …. about… winning 🤔
 
Suhrthing said:
I don’t believe it, although if it came to light as true, it wouldn’t shock me. But Cignetti has been a savant winner everywhere he’s gone - I’ll believe he’s just that good of a coach until given reason otherwise.
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Remember NE gave up a 1st round pick to the Jets to get Belichik who was considered a savant.
The we found out he was stealing playbooks, play scripts and signs for a decade and couldn’t do **** without Brady.

Not saying Indiana is cheating. Just saying sometimes “Savants” are just good at cheating.
 
dycane said:
Bezos and Thiel — though both ruthless and likely scumbags — are orders of magnitude smarter than Gates and Cuban.
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Agree 100%. Just agreeing with the point of the post.

My list of biggest scam/thieves “entrepreneurs” that made $billions, are household names, didn’t invent most of their product line and never saw jail.

Gates
Jobs
Zuckerberg

I don’t believe Cuban was at their level of Intellectual property theft, but he certainly was one **** of a “salesman”.
 
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I mean I think it's bs

But it is absolutely crazy they have 5 separate INTs this year on opponents opening drive.... Against Oregon it was on the first play. Against Iowa, UCLA, and Purdue it was on the 2nd play. Against Ohio St it was on the 4th play.

That's is insane.
 
Calinative said:
I mean I think it's bs

But it is absolutely crazy they have 5 separate INTs this year on opponents opening drive.... Against Oregon it was on the first play. Against Iowa, UCLA, and Purdue it was on the 2nd play. Against Ohio St it was on the 4th play.

That's is insane.
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As someone said. Go analog.
The opening play script should be a verbal convo between Dawson and Beck.
 
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