I'm not giving up on Richt now

[Awsi Dooger]

Richt will get 3 years minimum, as another poster described. Even at that point I doubt he'd be fired as opposed to be asked to step down if not sense the need himself. He's got a reservoir of benefit of a doubt as an alum and a class act.

We need an influx of tough talented players. I attend enough high school games in Dade County to understand that toughness is hardly a given locally.

The defense also needs to be more legit, and not a shell game. I notice the Gators held Georgia to 10 points today. In week one there were posts here mocking the Gators for failing to score many points versus some lower tier foe. I don't even remember who it was but I remember posting that it was meaningless, since Florida had an excellent coach and a defense. I'm just glad they blew the big lead at Tennessee.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Many are upset that it's been four games that Richt hasn't changed the offense to hide the teams glaring weakness at OL. That in itself tells you whether this is a winning team. No coach of a good talented team has ever had to scrap his offensive system every four games in a row to hide a terrible OL. Sometimes a coach will adapt his offense to take advantage of the opponents weakness or sometimes things just aren't working (like a pitcher who can't locate his fastball) on a particular night and the coach has to make some adjustments. But when the problem pops up four games in a row, other teams are going to know exactly where to attack and no amount of adjustment is going to make it better. As soon as you a wrinkle that works, the other team will also adjust and take it away. Example: Richt goes to short passes and Kaaya moves the ball. Next series ND is ready to jump the slant route, brings in a nickel, and is playing up to take away the screen. So your option is now to try and go back to your base offense and try to take advantage of the pass defense and bust a run or go over the top on a vertical route. But then you go back to the same problem that made you switch the offense in the first place - the OL has to pass block for longer which it can't do or run block which hasn't worked all game. Back to where you started. No matter how you slice it or how much of a genius an offensive coordinator might be, the game comes down to beating the OL beating the DL. The genius offensive coordinator might find a way to move the ball for a series or two, but once the defense takes away the advantage, there aren't any more tricks in the bag. There is a major difference between being creative to take advantage of what the defense gives you and being creative to hide an OL that can't run or pass block. If it's the latter, they'll get exposed one way or another.

 

[Gsugradcanefan]

Richt needs his own kids. Look how good Joe Jackson, AR, the fresh LB's play. I cant judge him now except i think Rosier deserves a shot.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't those kids all commit under Golden? Only thing Richt did was help keep them here post golden firing especially the lb trio bc they were early enrollees

 

[nycane]

Richt needs his own kids. Look how good Joe Jackson, AR, the fresh LB's play. I cant judge him now except i think Rosier deserves a shot.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't those kids all commit under Golden? Only thing Richt did was help keep them here post golden firing especially the lb trio bc they were early enrollees

they never played under him so the bad habits were never developed.

 

[Gsugradcanefan]

Everybody wants to win, I get it. Now if you really think Richt is going to be fired after his first year then you must be smoking rocks! Richt will get 3 years at the least to turn this thing around because thats the approach you should take when you hire a new regime. It would be catastrophic to this program if he was fired after 1 year, no real coach would want to come here after that. If we made a bad hire then so be it, we would have to move on when that time comes. But for the time being we have Richt and I honestly think this program will turn around with him as coach.

<b> 3 of our losses have been by a than a touchdown or less. Usually teams that are growing up and learning how to win have these types of losses. There's no doubt that the offense has been terrible and the game planning needs to improve but all the Lets fly the banners talk is silly. Our fan base looks worst than our O-line </b>

Golden had a very similar stat his first year, which gave me hope in him, but you see what happened. there's 4 more games in the season, maybe the ND game was the start of growth and turnaround. I cant say for sure but maybe

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Richt needs his own kids. Look how good Joe Jackson, AR, the fresh LB's play. I cant judge him now except i think Rosier deserves a shot.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't those kids all commit under Golden? Only thing Richt did was help keep them here post golden firing especially the lb trio bc they were early enrollees

they never played under him so the bad habits were never developed.

LMAO at the excuses for Richt.

He's a horrible play caller, period. It doesn't matter if he has HIS kids, your kids, or someone else's kids....that offensive scheme is what the French would call, GARBAJO.

He's wet the bed in 3 out of the 4 losses. I'll forgive for the VT game cause I always felt, even before the year started, that the way that game laid out on our schedule is was going to be difficult to get a win up there on a short week....but there is ZERO excuse for the other 3 games we lost. All were given away and the offensive play calling handcuffed every facet of the team.

The man simply is not built to handle both duties at once. I'm willing to give him more time as a head coach, but only if he swallows his pride and hires an OC. Ask Georgia fans and they'll tell you his coaching in general had been in decline for years. The man has a losing record against power 5 opponents...sample size doesn't lie.

 

[iLoveTDs]

Many are upset that it's been four games that Richt hasn't changed the offense to hide the teams glaring weakness at OL. That in itself tells you whether this is a winning team. No coach of a good talented team has ever had to scrap his offensive system every four games in a row to hide a terrible OL. Sometimes a coach will adapt his offense to take advantage of the opponents weakness or sometimes things just aren't working (like a pitcher who can't locate his fastball) on a particular night and the coach has to make some adjustments. But when the problem pops up four games in a row, other teams are going to know exactly where to attack and no amount of adjustment is going to make it better. As soon as you a wrinkle that works, the other team will also adjust and take it away. Example: Richt goes to short passes and Kaaya moves the ball. Next series ND is ready to jump the slant route, brings in a nickel, and is playing up to take away the screen. So your option is now to try and go back to your base offense and try to take advantage of the pass defense and bust a run or go over the top on a vertical route. But then you go back to the same problem that made you switch the offense in the first place - the OL has to pass block for longer which it can't do or run block which hasn't worked all game. Back to where you started. No matter how you slice it or how much of a genius an offensive coordinator might be, the game comes down to beating the OL beating the DL. The genius offensive coordinator might find a way to move the ball for a series or two, but once the defense takes away the advantage, there aren't any more tricks in the bag. There is a major difference between being creative to take advantage of what the defense gives you and being creative to hide an OL that can't run or pass block. If it's the latter, they'll get exposed one way or another.

Agree with everything you said. But it wasn't about getting creative offensively, or even outscheming ND. It was about Richt's bizarre situational play calling. He was ultra conservative on so many 2nd and longs last night. We were averaging 0.5 yards per carry, yet he insisted on running the same iso play over and over again.

And even with 5 minutes left in the game, tied 27-27 Richt goes under center and gets conservative. This has nothing to do with scheme or creativity. It has to do with his conservative nature/makeup. The same thing we killed donofrio and golden for doing with our defense,
Richt does with the offense. Plays not to lose.

 

[Lazarre]

Richt needs his own kids. Look how good Joe Jackson, AR, the fresh LB's play. I cant judge him now except i think Rosier deserves a shot.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't those kids all commit under Golden? Only thing Richt did was help keep them here post golden firing especially the lb trio bc they were early enrollees

Under golden we would have only two of the freshman LB's. AR is all Richt. I gave Richt Joe also because Bama really wanted him and recruit til the end. I forgot but one of the LB decommitted and Richt had to get him back on.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Many are upset that it's been four games that Richt hasn't changed the offense to hide the teams glaring weakness at OL. That in itself tells you whether this is a winning team. No coach of a good talented team has ever had to scrap his offensive system every four games in a row to hide a terrible OL. Sometimes a coach will adapt his offense to take advantage of the opponents weakness or sometimes things just aren't working (like a pitcher who can't locate his fastball) on a particular night and the coach has to make some adjustments. But when the problem pops up four games in a row, other teams are going to know exactly where to attack and no amount of adjustment is going to make it better. As soon as you a wrinkle that works, the other team will also adjust and take it away. Example: Richt goes to short passes and Kaaya moves the ball. Next series ND is ready to jump the slant route, brings in a nickel, and is playing up to take away the screen. So your option is now to try and go back to your base offense and try to take advantage of the pass defense and bust a run or go over the top on a vertical route. But then you go back to the same problem that made you switch the offense in the first place - the OL has to pass block for longer which it can't do or run block which hasn't worked all game. Back to where you started. No matter how you slice it or how much of a genius an offensive coordinator might be, the game comes down to beating the OL beating the DL. The genius offensive coordinator might find a way to move the ball for a series or two, but once the defense takes away the advantage, there aren't any more tricks in the bag. There is a major difference between being creative to take advantage of what the defense gives you and being creative to hide an OL that can't run or pass block. If it's the latter, they'll get exposed one way or another.

Agree with everything you said. But it wasn't about getting creative offensively, or even outscheming ND. It was about Richt's bizarre situational play calling. He was ultra conservative on so many 2nd and longs last night. We were averaging 0.5 yards per carry, yet he insisted on running the same iso play over and over again.

And even with 5 minutes left in the game, tied 27-27 Richt goes under center and gets conservative. This has nothing to do with scheme or creativity. It has to do with his conservative nature/makeup. The same thing we killed donofrio and golden for doing with our defense,
Richt does with the offense. Plays not to lose.

I'd really have to see what defense ND was showing on the run plays. Again, after first down doesn't get any yards the defense knows the qb is going to pass and is probably sitting on the route because they know they can easily get to the qb even with three rushers. So Richt calls run because if he calls a pass, Kaaya will have nowhere to throw the ball and get sacked (actually I don't know if Kaaya handed ball off on RPO read there). He just has misplaced faith that OL can make holes when they outnumber the defenders. I think that was when the center got blasted backwards five yards into the rb off the snap. It looks conservative but if you can't throw and defense is pass all the way, running is the way to catch them off guard. This goes back to what I was saying before, once in a while a team can't get the run going so they pass until the defense adjusts and starts trying to take away pass. Then you hit them with a run when you have a numbers advantage. That is the way it works when you might have an OL which is having trouble getting push. Saying canes have trouble getting push would be a compliment to the OL. They get shoved straight backwards again and again. There is simply no way to have sustained success on offense when an OL is that bad. You can call it playing not to lose, but Richt is adapting if you watch closely (think about the Kaaya roll outs). The problem is the OL can't do anything even remotely well so Richt is stuck once the D adjusts. Think about it this way, four games in a row the OL hasn't been able to run block. Ok so you go to the pass game. Have some success with short passes. But what do you do when the defense takes away short passes by pressing the line? Well you know you can't run so you make them pay with deep passes. 8 sacks last game. OL cant hold blocks so you have to go with short passes to get the ball out of the qbs hand before he gets hit. Only the defense is specifically keyed to that since they know that's all you got. There is no bag of tricks to reach into once they take away the quick slants and screens.

 

[tcgrad1014]

Failure of a season. Failure of an offense. A level of suckitude far beyond what I thought possible.

Now the reality: CMR isn't going anywhere for 3 years minimum. If he fails, get ready for Coach Crystalball because nobody else will want the piece of **** job. Hoping for a coaching change is dopey. We've tried letting the players pick the coach (fail). We tried hiring the "Miami guy" with recruiting connections (fail). We tried the up and coming guy with a new approach (fail). Now we're trying the guy who has proven to be a very good recruiter and consistent 9 game winner at a major program. If CMR has forgotten how to win, then we're completely ****ed.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

Randy Shannon is far and away the best coach we've had since Butch.

Now lets marinate on that.

You know that statement tells me all I need to know about why this team is so awful. I think there is a better chance we lose the last 4 games rather than we win them all. No way we close with 4 wins what tells you this will happen? Take the 50% rule that is what I thought around 6 wins and a another sorry bowl.

Randy Shannon and I went to high school together. No one was more happy for him personally but I knew for the team it was going to be a disaster. Miami didn't care about the football program under Shalala. I hate this woman with all of my heart totally incompetent along with Mr Maine himself. Also they can build all of the facilities they want Rick better be motivated BC it is going to take a while. Either this or step aside now to prevent a total demolition. Maybe too late Maine waited way too long to fire Folden.

I don't think Butch does any better with this roster I agree. Where are all of the OLinemen in Fla did you see FSU's awful display of blocking last night? What they all in Gainesville? Now I know I am not in my generation anymore if that is the case.

The question is how long will the plan take? Outside of having a total savage as coach I say 3 years minimum. Took Peterson 3 years to turn around WA. Miami is way worse than WA on paper. I say 3-4 years and yes the suffering continues in the near term. Not spinning the situation is awful. Imagine Brian Kelly he has been at ND for forever. If Kelly I would be ashamed his team sucks just not as bad as us. We have the 411 on blowing games in many areas where we do blow!

 

[QuattroCane]

I don't understand the "mentality" of some of you? Would beating a crap ND have made you feel better? The team is mediocre, at best, right now with a few real bright spots at positions.
I'm disappointed, but certainly not shocked.
Turn arounds in CFB are not quick, sadly, and we're going to continue to take our lumps.
We've had some tough breaks that may have given us a couple of more wins, but we've also gotten some.
There is not a single coach in the country who would be doing appreciatively better with the roster we currently have.
You have to decide either you're going to ride it out as a fan or move on.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

I don't understand the "mentality" of some of you? Would beating a crap ND have made you feel better? The team is mediocre, at best, right now with a few real bright spots at positions.
I'm disappointed, but certainly not shocked.
Turn arounds in CFB are not quick, sadly, and we're going to continue to take our lumps.
We've had some tough breaks that may have given us a couple of more wins, but we've also gotten some.
There is not a single coach in the country who would be doing appreciatively better with the roster we currently have.
You have to decide either you're going to ride it out as a fan or move on.

No agreed ND is awful which is why it is even more disturbing that we were down 20-0 in the second corner. I believe this may be a worse roster than the 95 team that Butch had and that would be impressive to improve on that haplessness. A total dumpster in every way shape or form.

Rick needs major serious changes on O side of ball. With a new OLine, QB and secondary who here says year 2 is any better? Not me!

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

How do you hide a bad 0L? By being one dimensional and throwing bubble screens all day? Wait... coley ... nvm

 

[Chris91]

All these tender butts on this board. ****.

 

[Cknucks305]

I think anyone who watches the dolphins can see what wrong with the canes, bad oline play and it's hard to win a football game. We can't block anyone at all and we have a kid playing qb who is as athletic as a scarecrow and is timid to boot. Golden and co would have been blown out in the game yesterday. Until we get some beasts on the o line richt can't do what he wants which is run the ball to set up play action. I think when we purge out the losers from the golden era this team will make a leap. As long as those guys play a major role we will continue to struggle cause most of Holden's recruits do not belong at Miami.

 

[DiegoCane]

Failure of a season. Failure of an offense. A level of suckitude far beyond what I thought possible.

Now the reality: CMR isn't going anywhere for 3 years minimum. If he fails, get ready for Coach Crystalball because nobody else will want the piece of **** job. Hoping for a coaching change is dopey. We've tried letting the players pick the coach (fail). We tried hiring the "Miami guy" with recruiting connections (fail). We tried the up and coming guy with a new approach (fail). Now we're trying the guy who has proven to be a very good recruiter and consistent 9 game winner at a major program. If CMR has forgotten how to win, then we're completely ****ed.

We haven't tried the innovator. Something Miami used to be built on and are now afraid of.

 

[Consigliere]

You have no choice , they ain't buying out 4 mill per lol

So the school, after 3 consecutive buy-outs, hasn't learned anything about it? Are you saying Richt has a guaranteed contract? Have you read the contract?

 

[maurice3p]

Miami will go 4-0 in the month of November.

 

[tcgrad1014]

Failure of a season. Failure of an offense. A level of suckitude far beyond what I thought possible.

Now the reality: CMR isn't going anywhere for 3 years minimum. If he fails, get ready for Coach Crystalball because nobody else will want the piece of **** job. Hoping for a coaching change is dopey. We've tried letting the players pick the coach (fail). We tried hiring the "Miami guy" with recruiting connections (fail). We tried the up and coming guy with a new approach (fail). Now we're trying the guy who has proven to be a very good recruiter and consistent 9 game winner at a major program. If CMR has forgotten how to win, then we're completely ****ed.

We haven't tried the innovator. Something Miami used to be built on and are now afraid of.

Name names. And then explain why said "innovator" would pick a program that hasn't been relevant in over a decade, hasn't won a bowl game since before the iPhone was invented, and has a fan base that somehow still expects championships because we used to be nationally relevant.