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Take a look at this list. Forget about Miami’s exclusion. Look at the names on the list. UF was a sieve, and Alabama couldn’t even block USF. And where is Notre Dame?

PFF is good for isolated things like pressure rate and where guys line up, but whenever they grade things like OL and pass defense they often look silly.

 
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DMoney said:
Take a look at this list. Forget about Miami’s exclusion. Look at the names on the list. UF was a sieve, and Alabama couldn’t even block USF. And where is Notre Dame?

PFF is good for isolated things like pressure rate and where guys line up, but whenever they grade things like OL and pass defense they often look silly.

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Yeah, UF struggled against our fired DC.
 
They release OL grades way too quickly. It’s just not possible to do that. The Assburger stat dorks will be typing in all caps after that but its true

Anyone that ever took a few minutes to read one of Lances game breakdowns it becomes glaringly obvious how many questions linger (and are sometimes never answered) about OL play
 
Setting aside the fact the "judges" don't know the specific player assignments on each play, If it were algorithmic, I'd feel better. But with humans being the judges, I am certain there is a huge bias in these numbers, too. So it's doubly wrong.
 
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I would love to know PFF's rubric for assessing the team OL rankings for a few reasons, but one of which is how do you rank an OL that has (presumably) new guys playing with vets? To use us as an example, did they use James Brockermeyer's PFF grades from his time at TCU when creating our score? We also aren't 100% set on who our starting five will be.

More to the theme of the OP, how the F can any service accurately grade an OL when thye don't know the play, scheme, and pre-snap assignment along with any line calls and adjustments?
 
I mean ranking us 8th when we have a LT who started like 5 games, a new LG, and a transfer Center who is good but not special…. I am not seeing what is so bad about that? I just expect Bell and McCoy to be good this year, which would obviously improve our rankings vs what PFF has us pre-season with. But it’s not crazy to say we are closer to 10 than like 3 as things stand before this season kicks off.

I thinks it’s funny the people who always act like PFF is so horrible. Like at the very least PFF is a pretty **** good baseline. And for the vast majority of the time they are more right than wrong, and definitely directionally right. Arguing that PFF grades are bad because they have us ranked 8th instead of 3rd or whatever is just kinda whatever…

But like I'm sure most of the teams ahead of us are returning far more starters than us...
 
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Calinative said:
I mean ranking us 8th when we have a LT who started like 5 games, a new LG, and a transfer Center who is good but not special…. I am not seeing what is so bad about that? I just expect Bell and McCoy to be good this year, which would obviously improve our rankings. But it’s not crazy to say we are closer to 10 than like 3 as things stand.

I thinks it’s funny the people who always act like PFF is so horrible. Like at the very least PFF is a pretty **** good baseline. And for the vast majority of the time they are more right than wrong, and definitely directionally right. Arguing that PFF grades are bad because they have us ranked 8th instead of 3rd or whatever is just kinda whatever…
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UF should not be ahead of UM. That is where most of the argument is coming from.
 
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The only time our fans take PFF with a grain of salt is when it doesn't grade Miami players high.

Whenever PFF gives our players a good grade/rating, yall eat that sh*t up.

PFF grades Francis Mauigoa at an Elite level & gave very good grades to Frederique & XLucas. You taking that with a grain of salt too?

PFF complies data, that's all it is, a database that archives snap by snap plays & gives a rating based on each positions assignments.

Cam Ward was the highest graded & rated QB in the country last year by PFF, were they wrong in that assessment?
 
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Memnon said:
The only time our fans take PFF with a grain of salt is when it doesn't grade Miami players high.

Whenever PFF gives our players a good grade/rating, yall eat that sh*t up.

PFF grades Francisco Mauigoa at an Elite level & gave very good grades to Frederique & XLucas. You taking that with a grain of salt too?

PFF complies data, that's all it is, a database that archives snap by snap plays & gives a rating based on each positions assignments.

Cam Ward was the highest graded & rated QB in the country last year by PFF, were they wrong in that assessment?
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I agree with most of this. My pushback is when people use PFF as the argument vs it being a supporting detail. IE: Bissainthe played well last year because of PFF grade. Or DPJ is a lockdown corner because of his PFF grade in 2023. If you present a case, PFF should not be the reason.
 
Memnon said:
The only time our fans take PFF with a grain of salt is when it doesn't grade Miami players high.

Whenever PFF gives our players a good grade/rating, yall eat that sh*t up.

PFF grades Francisco Mauigoa at an Elite level & gave very good grades to Frederique & XLucas. You taking that with a grain of salt too?

PFF complies data, that's all it is, a database that archives snap by snap plays & gives a rating based on each positions assignments.

Cam Ward was the highest graded & rated QB in the country last year by PFF, were they wrong in that assessment?
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I understand that PFF is data driven. But, how does that equate to those rankings? Was UF's OL good and did our eyes and/or bias deceive us?
 
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