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If D'Eriq King is the #1 NFL draft pick next year...

Zbrod95 said:
I know YOU didn’t, I was just making a general statement. All of what you said is true but do you know how many QBs break records and still go in the 6th round or go Undrafted? A ton. Like I said, for D’Eriq to even be considered in first round territory he has to prove he’s more Kyler than he is Braxton Miller. That’s not a lie nor an insult because Braxton was a pretty good college QB but he wasn’t a pro prospect at QB just like D’Eriq. Now can D’Eriq prove that he is an NFL prospect at QB? Of course! If Jalen did so can he but he’s battling a giant hill to get there even though he’s an amazing playmaker.
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Fair enough. You balls have been restored.
 
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It seems that there is now a plane flying throughout the US spraying LSD or some like product on some of the population cause the only way to even conceive of such a notion as King being number 1 could only be brought on by the entering of hallucinogenic type drugs being introduced into mainstream America by way of mass doses.

There is NO WAY no matter what the odds might say that ANY NFL team is going to draft a 6ft ( on a good day) QB number 1.So in conclusion I will say it makes no difference what our record is ,15-0 or 0-15 , King being selected number 1 will NEVER come to pass.
 
LuCane said:
Not necessarily because of this hypothetical, which I assume is for entertainment, but I think this fanbase has officially allowed its expectations to go wild w/r/t King.
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Bruh- I think you are getting it twisted. There is a big difference between

1) the fanbase suddenly deciding, based on nothing but homerism, that King is going to be the #1 overall pick and

2) the fanbase getting excited because oddsmakers are projecting an incredible year for King.

A NJ sportsbook has no reason to overrated King. The country isn't going wild with Heisman speculation like they did when Fields transferred to OSU. I'd say the majority of CFB fans- and certainly casual CFB fans- have never heard of D'Eriq King. Dude only played 4 games last year. And Miami isn't suddenly the team de jour. I doubt that the country was electrified by Miami's performance against mighty FIU and La Tech. If the oddsmakers were going to overrate anyone to get delusional Canes fans forking out money, it would probably be putting odds on Rosseau being the top overall. There is really no reason for the casino to put King that high unless they have a suspicion that something good might be in store.
 
KWConch said:
There is NO WAY no matter what the odds might say that ANY NFL team is going to draft a 6ft ( on a good day) QB number 1.So in conclusion I will say it makes no difference what our record is ,15-0 or 0-15 , King being selected number 1 will NEVER come to pass.
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TimeB0mb said:
Bruh- I think you are getting it twisted. There is a big difference between

1) the fanbase suddenly deciding, based on nothing but homerism, that King is going to be the #1 overall pick and

2) the fanbase getting excited because oddsmakers are projecting an incredible year for King.

A NJ sportsbook has no reason to overrated King. The country isn't going wild with Heisman speculation like they did when Fields transferred to OSU. I'd say the majority of CFB fans- and certainly casual CFB fans- have never heard of D'Eriq King. Dude only played 4 games last year. And Miami isn't suddenly the team de jour. I doubt that the country was electrified by Miami's performance against mighty FIU and La Tech. If the oddsmakers were going to overrate anyone to get delusional Canes fans forking out money, it would probably be putting odds on Rosseau being the top overall. There is really no reason for the casino to put King that high unless they have a suspicion that something good might be in store.
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It's not totally clear to me what you're expressing there. I acknowledged in my post this thread was likely made to create conversation, which is great. If you really think King has a chance to be #1 in the draft next year, I don't know where to begin. If your point was to say he's likely to have a good year, I agree the probabilities are in his favor.
 
TimeB0mb said:
As the previous poster pointed out, in May 2019, Tua was the clear cut once in a generation pick.

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Tua Tagovailoa (QB-Alabama): 1-7
Jake Fromm (QB-Georgia): 7-1
Justin Herbert (QB-Oregon): 7-1
Chase Young (DE-Ohio St.): 16-1
Jerry Jeudy (WR-Alabama): 30-1
Derrick Brown (DT-Auburn): 30-1
Raekwon Davis (DL-Alabama): 40-1
Andrew Thomas (OT-Georgia): 40-1
Walker Little (OT-Stanford): 40-1
Tee Higgins (WR-Clemson): 100-1
Grant Delpit (S-LSU): 100-1
A.J. Epenesa (DE-Iowa): 100-1
Dylan Moses (LB-Alabama): 100-1
C.J. Henderson (DB-Florida): 200-1
Travis Etienne (RB-Clemson): 200-1
Laviska Shenault (WR-Colorado): 200-1
J.K. Dobbins (RB-Ohio St.): 300-1
Jonathan Taylor (RB-Wisconsin): 300-1
Ceedee Lamb (WR-Oklahoma): 300-1
Nick Coe (LB-Auburn): 300-1

Joe Burrow isnt even on the list.
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I guess you are using Joe Burrow vs. Tua to show that "anything can happen" at the top, but doesn't it really stand for the proposition that these odds aren't **** but pure conjecture? And if that's true, then whether he's 4th or 44th on some pre-season list for the #1 overall pick really doesn't matter.

I think historical context is a better indicator. Here's what the last 10 #1 overall QBs did before being drafted:

JaMarcus "tugboat" Russel won 11 games before being drafted first overall.
Auburn won a Natty just before Cam went No. 1.
Georgia went 10-3 the year Stafford went 1st overall.
Stanford went 11-2 when Luck was drafted 1st overall.
Winston was 13-1 before being drafted 1st overall.
Mayfield (just a little taller, but similar build as King) got his team to the Rose Bowl and a 12-2 record before going No. 1.
Kyler Murray (shorter and skinnier than King) also went 12-2 and lost in the Orange Bowl before getting drafted 1st overall.
And we obviously know Burrow won a Natty.

The flip side of the coin is a kid like Jared Goff at Cal (who went 1-11, 5-7, and finally 7-5 as a starter at Cal).
And Sam Bradford only played 3 games in his final year and still got drafted No. 1 (and those filthy cheaters went 8-5).
So individual success and getting drafting first overall as a QB isn't always tied to a high win total (though it looks like it usually).

Looking at these numbers, assuming for the sake of argument King was drafted 1st overall, then he's almost certainly a top-5 Heisman candidate and the Hurricanes probably won at least 11 games.
 
LuCane said:
It's not totally clear to me what you're expressing there. I acknowledged in my post this thread was likely made to create conversation, which is great. If you really think King has a chance to be #1 in the draft next year, I don't know where to begin. If your point was to say he's likely to have a good year, I agree the probabilities are in his favor.
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He's at +1400. I think that's the same as 14:1 odds. To put that in perspective, at this time last year Herbert was at 7:1 to be the 1st overall. That was with a healthy Tua in the draft. Herbert ended up going sixth.
I don't think its unreasonable to give King 14:1 odds of being 1st overall with Lashlee's offense. I assume the odds are factoring in the chances of injury. Who expected Tua to get knocked out for the season by Miss State? Lawrence has been knocked out of games twice already, and dont tell me that Syracuse has a better pass rush than Miami. If it bleeds, Rosseau can kill it.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
I guess you are using Joe Burrow vs. Tua to show that "anything can happen" at the top, but doesn't it really stand for the proposition that these odds aren't **** but pure conjecture? And if that's true, then whether he's 4th or 44th on some pre-season list for the #1 overall pick really doesn't matter.

I think historical context is a better indicator. Here's what the last 10 #1 overall QBs did before being drafted:

JaMarcus "tugboat" Russel won 11 games before being drafted first overall.
Auburn won a Natty just before Cam went No. 1.
Georgia went 10-3 the year Stafford went 1st overall.
Stanford went 11-2 when Luck was drafted 1st overall.
Winston was 13-1 before being drafted 1st overall.
Mayfield (just a little taller, but similar build as King) got his team to the Rose Bowl and a 12-2 record before going No. 1.
Kyler Murray (shorter and skinnier than King) also went 12-2 and lost in the Orange Bowl before getting drafted 1st overall.
And we obviously know Burrow won a Natty.

The flip side of the coin is a kid like Jared Goff at Cal (who went 1-11, 5-7, and finally 7-5 as a starter at Cal).
And Sam Bradford only played 3 games in his final year and still got drafted No. 1 (and those filthy cheaters went 8-5).
So individual success and getting drafting first overall as a QB isn't always tied to a high win total (though it looks like it usually).

Looking at these numbers, assuming for the sake of argument King was drafted 1st overall, then he's almost certainly a top-5 Heisman candidate and the Hurricanes probably won at least 11 games.
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Great post. Thanks for the info. That's exactly the question. If King goes 1st overall, will that correlate to wins or is the rest of the team so lacking that it doesn't really make a difference. Unfortunately some posters are getting the vapors at the mere mention of King going 1st overall (a premise based on the what the wise guys are saying) and cant mentally process the central question. I think the team is talented enough that if King does end up going 1st, it means the team made the playoffs.
 
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TimeB0mb said:
He's at +1400. I think that's the same as 14:1 odds. To put that in perspective, at this time last year Herbert was at 7:1 to be the 1st overall. That was with a healthy Tua in the draft. Herbert ended up going sixth.
I don't think its unreasonable to give King 14:1 odds of being 1st overall with Lashlee's offense. I assume the odds are factoring in the chances of injury. Who expected Tua to get knocked out for the season by Miss State? Lawrence has been knocked out of games twice already, and dont tell me that Syracuse has a better pass rush than Miami. If it bleeds, Rosseau can kill it.
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Put it this way: I think he has as much of a shot to play WR in the NFL as he does QB.

To be clear, I hope he has a great season for us and improves his passing.
 
TimeB0mb said:
If that was the case, why didn't Burrow even make the list for possible #1 picks in May 2019? He was such a distant longshot he wasn't given odds. One would think that if everyone recognized that LSU had all those weapons, Burrow would have been somewhere on the list. Fact is that you are looking at the results and conveniently ignoring that very few people thought LSU was championship caliber at this time last year (I can't think of a single "expert" that predicted LSU destroying every team in CFB and Burrow setting records).

What was the X factor that changed everything? It wasn't a players- it was the offensive coordinator. Joe Brady's offense is what turned LSU into a national contender. Miami now has an OC that had one of the highest scoring offenses in CFB. Miami has plenty of offensive weapons, you just haven't seen it because we've had a ****ty offense for a long long time.
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I understand your point. Yes, I can only go by what I have seen.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Yes, Lawrence will still go before King. Comparing Burrow's last season to anything King does has to be tempered by the fact Burrow, at 6'4" and 220 is still a prototype from a size and athleticism for today's NFL. Lawrence even more so at 6'6" 225, his cannon arm and the speed to run past a defense full of NFL draft picks against Ohio State.

King can't change the fact he's probably around 5'10" and would have to pass a monster. Lawrence is a transcendent, once in a generation player.


He's going #1 next season.
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Oy vey, we're still on this, are we? If Trevor Lawrence has anywhere near the NFL career that Tom Brady had, come and see me in twenty years and I'll buy you a beer. ****, drinks are on me for the rest of the night.
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g8rh8rMD said:
Oy vey, we're still on this, are we? If Trevor Lawrence has anywhere near the NFL career that Tom Brady had, come and see me in twenty years and I'll buy you a beer. ****, drinks are on me for the rest of the night.
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If Belickick is still coaching them, put Lawrence on the Pats and he'll have multiple titles by the time he's 30.
 
He's not accurate enough to be the number one pick. I would be hella surprised if he were the number one rated QB....real surprised. He reminds me of Braxton Miller that OSU QB....I think that was his name
 
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g8rh8rMD said:
Oy vey, we're still on this, are we? If Trevor Lawrence has anywhere near the NFL career that Tom Brady had, come and see me in twenty years and I'll buy you a beer. ****, drinks are on me for the rest of the night.
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He’s certainly more talented..all about location and situation..I fear he gonna get trapped in Washington tho🤣
 
Go Canes!! said:
If Belickick is still coaching them, put Lawrence on the Pats and he'll have multiple titles by the time he's 30.
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That was a pretty quick transition from "transcendent, once in a generation player" to "if he gets to be coached by the greatest coach of all time, he can have two titles by the time the last QB he coached had 3 rings."
 
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