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LuCane said:
This is where I am with him as well. But, I know you're a big TVD guy, so I'm curious what you'd hope they'd get him into in terms of sets and play calls. Mind you, this isn't likely to be the thread for that discussion.
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JD4 said:
I appreciate the additional info. Missed that interview.

About TVD, you’re right there is something else going on—but last year when he went the first half of most games starting really slowly and missing throws what was that attributed to?

I feel like that was a red flag then too he just made up for it most of the time In the second half turning into a super sayan

Consistency is important from QB right?
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Not sure i would characterize last year (exception of UNC and UVA before he found his stride) as “struggling”. Remember, lashlee and him meeting about that and for the 6 games that followed he was much more consistent and played extremely well. So I think that was pretty well managed by all concerned.

of course, consistency is important. But what’s more important is making the plays when you need to.

No one in the passing game did that against TAM.
 
RedSquare said:
Not sure i would characterize last year (exception of UNC and UVA before he found his stride) as “struggling”. Remember, lashlee and him meeting about that and for the 6 games that followed he was much more consistent and played extremely well. So I think that was pretty well managed by all concerned.

of course, consistency is important. But what’s more important is making the plays when you need to.

No one in the passing game did that against TAM.
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I think we disagree about that then. Last year I remember him starting slow on many occasions and calming down in the second half. FSU is another game that comes to mind but I’ll see if I can find out which other games.
 
JD4 said:
Jake Garcia seems like a way better fit for this scheme. If we aren't switching the scheme, we need to switch QBs.

TVD needs a lot of passes and usually a halftime break (at least he did last year) before he starts to sling it without over thinking. He was phenomenal in the second half last year, but he was often times timid and unsure in the first. That is how he has looked all year this year, and with our emphasis on dominating with the run and having more balance I'm not sure he's going to get the time he needs to feel comfortable.

I know he's great when he's clicking, but it isn't great that he takes so long to click. Nothing against the kid, but Jake doesn't seem like he has the same confidence / over thinking issues. He's doesn't think that much lol he just whips it and is excited and ready to play.

I want to see what he can do because I think if he was in we win that game even with all the BS and self-inflicted problems we had.

Thoughts?

P.S. I'm not excusing the dropped passes or the fact that a different playcaller and scheme would be more friendly for TVD. I'm just saying I think we need someone who believes we can win, and someone who believes in their ability to execute the offense. I think Jake is that guy
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He is more accurate. That alone helps since outside of the last pass his receivers had to adjust or slow down for almost every pass. Even the short stuff he makes his receivers slow down and adjust which let's the d close. Oh and he hangs them out to dry as well. Ask Redding and Parrish.
 
coffeecane said:
He is more accurate. That alone helps since outside of the last pass his receivers had to adjust or slow down for almost every pass. Even the short stuff he makes his receivers slow down and adjust which let's the d close. Oh and he hangs them out to dry as well. Ask Redding and Parrish.
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Well like the others are saying we don’t know with certainty that jake will do better, but I agree that the way Tyler has been throwing and playing I’d be really surprised if jake wouldn’t have been better so far this year as QB1.
 
JD4 said:
Well like the others are saying we don’t know with certainty that jake will do better, but I agree that the way Tyler has been throwing and playing I’d be really surprised if jake wouldn’t have been better so far this year as QB1.
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I'm basing my assessments in the clean up time Garcia has had. Just looks more comfortable. Granted it's clean up time.
 
Cribby said:
It’s a bad schematic fit and the route concepts and spacing doesn’t help wr’s. If this tight , congested inside the hashes garbage is the offense we’ll struggle all year. The wr’s are an issue but defenders were sitting on most routes because it’s basic and predictable.
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So we went from predictable runs last year to predictable passes this year. Hope they make adjustments
 
Serious question - how much work did Jake get with the 1s In offseason? How much work did he get with X? given circumstances and preseason hype, I don’t think they entered season in a true equal battle for the position.

if TVD doesn’t get act right, he won’t go pro and Jake would leave.

I’d open it up in a real battle for position now. Jake doesn‘t seem to have confidence issues and i think he could do a better job of using his legs when needed to.

Gattis does have some rather basic route concepts. and seemed he was fooled on some plays as it appeared we ran zone beaters when they were in man and man beaters when they played off. Offensive line givex QB enough time to run more shallow crosses and intermediate crossing routes. That can setup the wheel routes and angle/option routes out of the backfield.
 
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Cribby said:
It’s a bad schematic fit and the route concepts and spacing doesn’t help wr’s. If this tight , congested inside the hashes garbage is the offense we’ll struggle all year. The wr’s are an issue but defenders were sitting on most routes because it’s basic and predictable.
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Been trying not to think about last night and reset. Jumping back in I’m seeing a lot of this Gattis vs TVD blame. I don’t think we need to die on a hill and just choose sides. It’s a little of both.

I agree with your post. This is not the best scheme fit for TVDs strengths. I want more spacing. Gattis calls in red zone and late in the game when the cbs were gassed had me scratching my head. For better or worse Gattis is the OC and he doesn’t have the personnel yet at wr. People were calling Lashlee a bum until TVD started playing. I’m still figuring what Gattis is trying to do with the TEs 🧐

But..just speaking on last night micro, I think that’s more on the wrs, TVD and ST. So let’s spread the blame around fairly. Gattis while not perfect did enough for us to win. I don’t care what scheme we are running, a 10 yard up and out, a simple crossing pattern, where you don’t even need to go through progressions should be thrown properly and caught properly, ST disaster, etc. We win if the players executed what was called.

We are 2 and 1. Figuring out our identity, adjusting to a very different system. This is right where a lot of us thought we would be after 3 games. Let’s see if Gattis adjusts to TVD and if TVD starts getting more comfortable and confident. Hopefully a little bit of both.
 
It makes no sense whatsoever for TVD to only develop serious rapport with one WR in a sport that involves a ton of injuries. If you want to be a great player and play at the next level, you've got to have strong rapport with more than one WR.

Jake should have seen 1-2 series against TAMU....not to create a QB controversy or send a shot across the bow to Tyler...but to give TVD a breather during the game & a chance for a reset on a night that wasn't going very well. Maybe he could have spent some time speaking with Ponce, his receivers, his TEs, calming down etc. Maybe he would have come back stronger. In 2022, scoring zero TDs just ain't going to cut it. If a QB is having a bad night, let him reset for a series or two. It's also really important to know what you have in QB2 playing against a quality opponent. With the lack of full contact practices these days, you've got to use live games to properly assess your roster (whether it's in the second half of a blowout win like Bethune or when the offense just really couldn't be more unproductive like last night). What's amazing is this happened with really good OL play against a quality opponent.
 
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We have to do better than this on offense (especially with the OL & RBs balling out). We have to do much better. For recruiting, we need to make changes fast.
My first suggestion is that Mario, Gattis & Ponce sit down today (all day) and watch film from last year (with TVD in at QB). Next they take 8-10 of the best passing plays & rep those in practice until they are automatic. Literally, don't do anything else in practice on offense other than pitch & catch until the timing & chemistry is there between TVD & the WRs. Keep the rest of the current scheme for the run game. There's no requirement to run only one offensive system at a time and if we're being honest, the passing game was way more polished & effective last year (so let's incorporate some of those concepts) while keeping the current scheme for the run game (which is dramatically better this year).

Gattis needs to adapt fast or he will not last long here. WR recruiting is going to suffer. He should absolutely swallow his pride and study what Lashlee did & incorporate that. He should also be calling Rhett to pick his brain. Smart people take advice from other smart people. Smart people also choose to evolve over time so they not only survive but thrive. Pride cometh before the fall.

Makes changes now to get this offense going & prevent recruiting from suffering.
 
JD4 said:
By the way, I know this was supposed to be a puff piece, but it raised serious red flags to me:

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...aiting-two-decades-quarterback-tyler-van-dyke.

Most troubling part,
"When Gattis first joined the staff, he asked Van Dyke how he kept in touch with his receivers during the offseason. Turns out, he didn't. He didn't even have most guys' phone numbers.

"That was just shocking," Gattis said. "How can you build a team of wide receivers, tight ends, quarterbacks, and you're not all being on a group chat -- all be talking? You're not all throwing, watching film? So we've tried to build that camaraderie."

How a P5 QB isn't running routes with his receivers all summer and off-season I truly don't know.

That was seriously shocking to me.
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Don't even get me started on this....F-ing deplorable.
 
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Canegrad89 said:
We have to do better than this on offense (especially with the OL & RBs balling out). We have to do much better. For recruiting, we need to make changes fast.
My first suggestion is that Mario, Gattis & Ponce sit down today (all day) and watch film from last year (with TVD in at QB). Next they take 8-10 of the best passing plays & rep those in practice until they are automatic. Literally, don't do anything else in practice on offense other than pitch & catch until the timing & chemistry is there between TVD & the WRs. Keep the rest of the current scheme for the run game. There's no requirement to run only one offensive system at a time and if we're being honest, the passing game was way more polished & effective last year (so let's incorporate some of those concepts) while keeping the current scheme for the run game (which is dramatically better this year).

Gattis needs to adapt fast or he will not last long here. WR recruiting is going to suffer. He should absolutely swallow his pride and study what Lashlee did & incorporate that. He should also be calling Rhett to pick his brain. Smart people take advice from other smart people. Smart people also choose to evolve over time so they not only survive but thrive. Pride cometh before the fall.

Makes changes now to get this offense going & prevent recruiting from suffering.
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This is the smart approach, but I have yet to see a coordinator who will swallow his pride and do this.

Also, Mario wouldn’t approve. Good thoughts, though.
 
PIPO said:
Are you serious? Stop being such a highfalutin ***. So you knew TVD was going to struggle? Go read any SEC board when **** doesn’t go their way. ****, we have a Gaturd tears thread specifically for that reason.it’s not exclusive to Miami. The media and others pumped him up as well.

I know your deep background, experience and knowledge.

Be clear with everyone here so we know where you stand: out of the two options, who is the problem? TVD or Gattis?

Others here like @SWFLHurricane, @JayCane20, LCE, @Cribby and others have been clear on their opinion. So where do you stand?
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I know everybody hates an I told you so person but my posts are still up. I knew he would struggle this year. I said so pretty early
 
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JD4 said:
By the way, I know this was supposed to be a puff piece, but it raised serious red flags to me:

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...aiting-two-decades-quarterback-tyler-van-dyke.

Most troubling part,
"When Gattis first joined the staff, he asked Van Dyke how he kept in touch with his receivers during the offseason. Turns out, he didn't. He didn't even have most guys' phone numbers.

"That was just shocking," Gattis said. "How can you build a team of wide receivers, tight ends, quarterbacks, and you're not all being on a group chat -- all be talking? You're not all throwing, watching film? So we've tried to build that camaraderie."

How a P5 QB isn't running routes with his receivers all summer and off-season I truly don't know.

That was seriously shocking to me.
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So van dyke was the back up and started to be the guy mid last season and had no rapport with anyone but maybe restrepo. He developed rapport during the season with Rambo and Harley. Then Gattis asked in early February ( 1 month after season ended) about working with receivers in the off-season. He had not so I assume he started then and there. That would have been about 7 months ago. That should be enough time to get the rapport going. Something not adding up.
 
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