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nickster said:
His successor Smiling Larry couldn't recruit a lick and won a National Championship based on th efforts of Butch. That's just a plain fact.
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Precisely.

Country Club Larry went 35-3 with Butch's roster ... and then 25-12 with his squad.

Incomprehensible that Coker went 7-6 in 2006—FIVE short years after the Fiesta Bowl robbery.

Coker literally destroyed the program and culture in half a decade.
 
IndayArtHauz said:



thoughts ??????????
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More realistic question; what happens if Greg Schiano doesn't take the Rutgers gig on December 1st, 2000?

Davis coached the defense for the 2001 Sugar Bowl ... Davis was off to Cleveland a few days later, early into 2001 ... team lobbies for Coker to get the gig.

If Schiano doesn't get the Rutgers gig, the 34-year old up and coming defensive head coach (and master recruiter) takes the Miami gig over 52-year old Coker.

Just as Coker was destroying Miami in 2006 with a garbage 7-6 season, Schiano's rebuild at Rutgers was peaking—from 2-9 in 2001 and 1-11 in 2002 (when the Canes were 12-0 and 12-1)—the Scarlet Knights finished 11-1 in Schiano's sixth season and were ranked as high as #2 that fall.

No idea the long-term with Schiano in Miami, but we can bet the farm that he could've guided 2001 to a natty, that 2002's defense would've been better, that recruiting wouldn't have dropped off and that the Hurricanes aren't a 7-6 program after 2006, preparing for the low rent hire that was Randy Shannon (where Schiano was mentioned as a potential candidate who turned the gig down before it went to The Onion.)

The next big whiff was not bringing Butch back in 2007 when Shannon was sent packing; missed the window as Miami was worried about a mid-to-late season firing after the FIU brawl and eventual Bryan Pata murder early November.

The plan to gracefully part ways with Coker was underway, but they waited until the season ended and that final home win over Boston College, while letting him stick around to coach in the bowl game over Nevada in Boise .... and during that time, North Carolina came in to swoop up Davis mid-November and Miami was stuck with Shannon.

The issue was always an egotistical Board of Trustees, who held a grudge against Davis for leaving for Cleveland and big NFL money, when the issue was always Paul Dee not prioritizing Butch's contract as the 2000 season rolled on and in that time the bigger offer came so he understandably jumped.

The BoT are bozos; should've started the Coker exit weeks into 2006 after losing an ugly home opener to Florida State, the 31-7 beat down at Louisville and the FIU brawl on October 14th.

Start working behind the scenes to hire out of work Butch back, send Larry out end of year and now you're only six years removed from the powerhouse Davis built for the 2001 natty.

Davis wasn't the answer in 2017; Richt setting the stage with rebuilding infrastructure, donating his $1M for the indoor practice facility and setting a foundation that helped get this thing to a point where it was a desirable gig for Mario ... but Butch was the answer in 2007 and Schiano would've been light years better than Coker if Rutgers didn't snatch him up six weeks before Davis bounced.
 
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ItsAUThing.com said:
More realistic question; what happens if Greg Schiano doesn't take the Rutgers gig on December 1st, 2000?

Davis coached the defense for the 2001 Sugar Bowl ... Davis was off to Cleveland a few days later, early into 2001 ... team lobbies for Coker to get the gig.

If Schiano doesn't get the Rutgers gig, the 34-year old up and coming defensive head coach (and master recruiter) takes the Miami gig over 52-year old Coker.

Just as Coker was destroying Miami in 2006 with a garbage 7-6 season, Schiano's rebuild at Rutgers was peaking—from 2-9 in 2001 and 1-11 in 2002 (when the Canes were 12-0 and 12-1)—the Scarlet Knights finished 11-1 in Schiano's sixth season and were ranked as high as #2 that fall.

No idea the long-term with Schiano in Miami, but we can bet the farm that he could've guided 2001 to a natty, that 2002's defense would've been better, that recruiting wouldn't have dropped off and that the Hurricanes aren't a 7-6 program after 2006, preparing for the low rent hire that was Randy Shannon (where Schiano was mentioned as a potential candidate who turned the gig down before it went to The Onion.)

The next big whiff was not bringing Butch back in 2007 when Shannon was sent packing; missed the window as Miami was worried about a mid-to-late season firing after the FIU brawl and eventual Bryan Pata murder early November.

The plan to gracefully part ways with Coker was underway, but they waited until the season ended and that final home win over Boston College, while letting him stick around to coach in the bowl game over Nevada in Boise .... and during that time, North Carolina came in to swoop up Davis mid-November and Miami was stuck with Shannon.

The issue was always an egotistical Board of Trustees, who held a grudge against Davis for leaving for Cleveland and big NFL money, when the issue was always Paul Dee not prioritizing Butch's contract as the 2000 season rolled on and in that time the bigger offer came so he understandably jumped.

The BoT are bozos; should've started the Coker exit weeks into 2006 after losing an ugly home opener to Florida State, the 31-7 beat down at Louisville and the FIU brawl on October 14th.

Start working behind the scenes to hire out of work Butch back, send Larry out end of year and now you're only six years removed from the powerhouse Davis built for the 2001 natty.

Davis wasn't the answer in 2017; Richt setting the stage with rebuilding infrastructure, donating his $1M for the indoor practice facility and setting a foundation that helped get this thing to a point where it was a desirable gig for Mario ... but Butch was the answer in 2007 and Schiano would've been light years better than Coker if Rutgers didn't snatch him up six weeks before Davis bounced.
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I'm highly appreciative of Schiano and his contributions to the New England Patriots. Not because of his coaching tenure there, it lasted about as long as my average relationship, but all DBs that we drafted from there had a career playing really good football.
 
RF-4CCane said:
It had been like 9 months since his surgery and he was supposedly at 90%. Coker said after the game he didn’t want to burn his red shirt.
Gore at 90% > JP.
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Coker coached that game like every guy gets a chance at B2B NCs, ridiculous logic from him. That decision was the worst of it.
 
RF-4CCane said:
UM was a well oiled machine by the end of the 2000 season.

Butch would have likely played Gore in Fiesta = NC.
From 2003 going forward, he would not have had gaping holes from poor recruiting and Coker was a better OC than Chud.

So, probably at least 2 more NC’s between 2002-2006 imo.
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Spot on. Butch was the best recruiter we’ve had in the past 40 years. A bit weak as a game day coach but his talent on the field made up for it by far.
 
Bender said:
The bigger question is, what if we hired Mike Leach instead of Randy Shannon in 2006?
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UM is always trying to thread a needle with rope.

Either spend the money, invest heavily in the program and go after the big name, or hire the brazen, if not somewhat eccentric type with a schematic advantage ahead of the rest, like Leach (RIP, LEGEND!)

Personally, I wish they would have done the latter. It would have been a lot more fun, and more consistent with our past success.
 
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ItsAUThing.com said:
More realistic question; what happens if Greg Schiano doesn't take the Rutgers gig on December 1st, 2000?

Davis coached the defense for the 2001 Sugar Bowl ... Davis was off to Cleveland a few days later, early into 2001 ... team lobbies for Coker to get the gig.

If Schiano doesn't get the Rutgers gig, the 34-year old up and coming defensive head coach (and master recruiter) takes the Miami gig over 52-year old Coker.

Just as Coker was destroying Miami in 2006 with a garbage 7-6 season, Schiano's rebuild at Rutgers was peaking—from 2-9 in 2001 and 1-11 in 2002 (when the Canes were 12-0 and 12-1)—the Scarlet Knights finished 11-1 in Schiano's sixth season and were ranked as high as #2 that fall.

No idea the long-term with Schiano in Miami, but we can bet the farm that he could've guided 2001 to a natty, that 2002's defense would've been better, that recruiting wouldn't have dropped off and that the Hurricanes aren't a 7-6 program after 2006, preparing for the low rent hire that was Randy Shannon (where Schiano was mentioned as a potential candidate who turned the gig down before it went to The Onion.)

The next big whiff was not bringing Butch back in 2007 when Shannon was sent packing; missed the window as Miami was worried about a mid-to-late season firing after the FIU brawl and eventual Bryan Pata murder early November.

The plan to gracefully part ways with Coker was underway, but they waited until the season ended and that final home win over Boston College, while letting him stick around to coach in the bowl game over Nevada in Boise .... and during that time, North Carolina came in to swoop up Davis mid-November and Miami was stuck with Shannon.

The issue was always an egotistical Board of Trustees, who held a grudge against Davis for leaving for Cleveland and big NFL money, when the issue was always Paul Dee not prioritizing Butch's contract as the 2000 season rolled on and in that time the bigger offer came so he understandably jumped.

The BoT are bozos; should've started the Coker exit weeks into 2006 after losing an ugly home opener to Florida State, the 31-7 beat down at Louisville and the FIU brawl on October 14th.

Start working behind the scenes to hire out of work Butch back, send Larry out end of year and now you're only six years removed from the powerhouse Davis built for the 2001 natty.

Davis wasn't the answer in 2017; Richt setting the stage with rebuilding infrastructure, donating his $1M for the indoor practice facility and setting a foundation that helped get this thing to a point where it was a desirable gig for Mario ... but Butch was the answer in 2007 and Schiano would've been light years better than Coker if Rutgers didn't snatch him up six weeks before Davis bounced.
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The **** I was told about schiano as a coach while with the bucs were wild. He's a douche canoe.
 
simplycanes said:
UM is always trying to thread a needle with rope.

Either spend the money, invest heavily in the program and go after the big name, or hire the brazen, if not somewhat eccentric type with a schematic advantage ahead of the rest, like Leach (RIP, LEGEND!)

Personally, I wish they would have done the latter. It would have been a lot more fun, and more consistent with our past success.
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Just read back on it. Leach wanted the job real bad, but Don Yee said he misread the interest that Leach had.

It would have been crazy seeing South Florida speed at that time in the Air Raid. Went back and watched Miami-FSU in 2009 - both teams were slow as ****...
 
JD08 said:
Hard pass. His successor had much better record.
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Only for the duration he was able to field Butch's players.

That's the part everyone seems to forget.

As Butch's players graduated/NFL'd - our team tanked. Lower and lower.
 
JD08 said:
I'll remember the /s sarc tag next time.
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Forgive me! I should have known better . . .

There's some who hate Butch because he left - but it was UM (the midget) that delayed his contract, trying to not increase it while letting the clock run out.

So he did what was best for him. Like Schnellenberger. Just like JJ.
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
More realistic question; what happens if Greg Schiano doesn't take the Rutgers gig on December 1st, 2000?

Davis coached the defense for the 2001 Sugar Bowl ... Davis was off to Cleveland a few days later, early into 2001 ... team lobbies for Coker to get the gig.

If Schiano doesn't get the Rutgers gig, the 34-year old up and coming defensive head coach (and master recruiter) takes the Miami gig over 52-year old Coker.

Just as Coker was destroying Miami in 2006 with a garbage 7-6 season, Schiano's rebuild at Rutgers was peaking—from 2-9 in 2001 and 1-11 in 2002 (when the Canes were 12-0 and 12-1)—the Scarlet Knights finished 11-1 in Schiano's sixth season and were ranked as high as #2 that fall.

No idea the long-term with Schiano in Miami, but we can bet the farm that he could've guided 2001 to a natty, that 2002's defense would've been better, that recruiting wouldn't have dropped off and that the Hurricanes aren't a 7-6 program after 2006, preparing for the low rent hire that was Randy Shannon (where Schiano was mentioned as a potential candidate who turned the gig down before it went to The Onion.)

The next big whiff was not bringing Butch back in 2007 when Shannon was sent packing; missed the window as Miami was worried about a mid-to-late season firing after the FIU brawl and eventual Bryan Pata murder early November.

The plan to gracefully part ways with Coker was underway, but they waited until the season ended and that final home win over Boston College, while letting him stick around to coach in the bowl game over Nevada in Boise .... and during that time, North Carolina came in to swoop up Davis mid-November and Miami was stuck with Shannon.

The issue was always an egotistical Board of Trustees, who held a grudge against Davis for leaving for Cleveland and big NFL money, when the issue was always Paul Dee not prioritizing Butch's contract as the 2000 season rolled on and in that time the bigger offer came so he understandably jumped.

The BoT are bozos; should've started the Coker exit weeks into 2006 after losing an ugly home opener to Florida State, the 31-7 beat down at Louisville and the FIU brawl on October 14th.

Start working behind the scenes to hire out of work Butch back, send Larry out end of year and now you're only six years removed from the powerhouse Davis built for the 2001 natty.

Davis wasn't the answer in 2017; Richt setting the stage with rebuilding infrastructure, donating his $1M for the indoor practice facility and setting a foundation that helped get this thing to a point where it was a desirable gig for Mario ... but Butch was the answer in 2007 and Schiano would've been light years better than Coker if Rutgers didn't snatch him up six weeks before Davis bounced.
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Great post!
 
LawyerCane said:
Spot on. Butch was the best recruiter we’ve had in the past 40 years. A bit weak as a game day coach but his talent on the field made up for it by far.
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Oh man if CIS was around the stuff posters would have said about Butch would have been crazy. Still can't get over seeing the plane flying over the OB that said "National Champs to National Chumps". We have so many young fans on here that only know Butch from the team he built and not the game day coach that was booed running into the locker room at halftime. But what Butch did for UM was second to none in building the greatest roster UM has ever had.
 
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