How to bring Miami BACK

[Canes21]

Check out the past experience from these coaches.

These two coaches raised us from the grave when we were hurting:


Howard - Head Coach, Baltimore Colts ; Offensive Coordinator, Miami Dolphins (perfect season, Super Bowl); Offensive Coordinator, Alabama Crimson Tide (national title). Coached under Bear Bryant and Don Shula.


Butch - Defensive Coordinator, Dallas Cowboys (Super Bowl); Coached under Jimmy Johnson




These three coaches ****ed the program:

Larry "Clappy" Coker - Offensive Coordinator, college. No HC experience. No NFL.

Randy Shannon - Defensive Coordinator, college. No HC experience. No NFL.

Alfredo Golden - Head Coach, MAC. No NFL.



Being cheap is a NEW THING for Miami. DO NOT believe the bs line about us always being cheap and hiring "up and comers," it ain't fact.

Unless you were born yesterday, anyone with a brain can easily see that we only recently started hiring coaches from the clearance section at Target.

We used to hire real coaches with real creds.

DEMAND GREATNESS. It's in the BOT's hands.

Didn't you have Lane Kiffin on your short list?

Look at this braindead ****. Yeah man, Lane Kiffin sucks at coaching football.

That's why Pete Carrol hired him at USC as offensive coordinator. That's why the Oakland Raiders hired him as head coach, the youngest in NFL history. That's why he became the youngest coach in NCAA history at Tennessee, and later at USC. That's why Nick Saban hired him as offensive coordinator.

Yeah.... Nick Saban, Pete Carrol.... those guys are ****ty judges when it comes to evaluating football coaches.

Clown.

The guy can call a pretty good offensive game, but he is a terrible head coach. He's gotten so many jobs thanks to his last name and old man.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Lmao at this dimwit pounding his chest screaming "real coaches with real cred!" and then suggesting we hire Lane Kiffin.

OP's got a fountain of diarrhea for a brain.

 

[NVA CANE]

Check out the past experience from these coaches.

These two coaches raised us from the grave when we were hurting:


Howard - Head Coach, Baltimore Colts ; Offensive Coordinator, Miami Dolphins (perfect season, Super Bowl); Offensive Coordinator, Alabama Crimson Tide (national title). Coached under Bear Bryant and Don Shula.


Butch - Defensive Coordinator, Dallas Cowboys (Super Bowl); Coached under Jimmy Johnson




These three coaches ****ed the program:

Larry "Clappy" Coker - Offensive Coordinator, college. No HC experience. No NFL.

Randy Shannon - Defensive Coordinator, college. No HC experience. No NFL.

Alfredo Golden - Head Coach, MAC. No NFL.



Being cheap is a NEW THING for Miami. DO NOT believe the bs line about us always being cheap and hiring "up and comers," it ain't fact.

Unless you were born yesterday, anyone with a brain can easily see that we only recently started hiring coaches from the clearance section at Target.

We used to hire real coaches with real creds.

DEMAND GREATNESS. It's in the BOT's hands.

So Butch Davis who never held a head coaching position until hired by Miami meets your criteria but somehow an offensive coordinator that's been a head coach for three years now, won his conference and bowl game is currently undefeated and comes from the Gary Patterson tree is not good enough.

Or an offensive coordinator that is now a head coach, that kept his team's offense humming with a third string QB that comes from the urban Meyer coaching tree is not good enough.

Your analysis is bull**** and arbitrary. You think a coach that was fired by the raiders and USC is a great coach yet the two coaches above don't meet your criteria and Butch Davis who never held a head coaching position before Miami was a perfectly fine hire according to your standards. I call bill****.

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

Lmao at this dimwit pounding his chest screaming "real coaches with real cred!" and then suggesting we hire Lane Kiffin.

OP's got a fountain of diarrhea for a brain.

Where did I say we should hire Lane Kiffin?

You're ******* ILLITERATE.

That's a big word for you, look it up.

I think Kiffin would be a better hire than Herman. No doubt about that. 1.) BUTCH 2.) CHIP KELLY 3.) HUE JACKSON

 

[MIATL]

Anybody posting a preference for Butch Davis over Chip Kelly is declaring themselves as idiots.

Nobody, but "still living in the past" Hurricanes' fans, would go with that way of thinking. Chip Kelly might be the only "can't miss" prospect up for discussion ...

No credibility for any of you guys going overboard with the Butch infatuation.

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

Check out the past experience from these coaches.

These two coaches raised us from the grave when we were hurting:


Howard - Head Coach, Baltimore Colts ; Offensive Coordinator, Miami Dolphins (perfect season, Super Bowl); Offensive Coordinator, Alabama Crimson Tide (national title). Coached under Bear Bryant and Don Shula.


Butch - Defensive Coordinator, Dallas Cowboys (Super Bowl); Coached under Jimmy Johnson




These three coaches ****ed the program:

Larry "Clappy" Coker - Offensive Coordinator, college. No HC experience. No NFL.

Randy Shannon - Defensive Coordinator, college. No HC experience. No NFL.

Alfredo Golden - Head Coach, MAC. No NFL.



Being cheap is a NEW THING for Miami. DO NOT believe the bs line about us always being cheap and hiring "up and comers," it ain't fact.

Unless you were born yesterday, anyone with a brain can easily see that we only recently started hiring coaches from the clearance section at Target.

We used to hire real coaches with real creds.

DEMAND GREATNESS. It's in the BOT's hands.

So Butch Davis who never held a head coaching position until hired by Miami meets your criteria but somehow an offensive coordinator that's been a head coach for three years now, won his conference and bowl game is currently undefeated and comes from the Gary Patterson tree is not good enough.

Or an offensive coordinator that is now a head coach, that kept his team's offense humming with a third string QB that comes from the urban Meyer coaching tree is not good enough.

Your analysis is bull**** and arbitrary. You think a coach that was fired by the raiders and USC is a great coach yet the two coaches above don't meet your criteria and Butch Davis who never held a head coaching position before Miami was a perfectly fine hire according to your standards. I call bill****.

Lane Kiffin is a great coach. That's why he keeps getting jobs with Pete Carrol and Nick Saban and NFL organizations. Is he the best coach for Miami? Maybe not. Not with Butch Davis and Chip Kelly out there. Even Hue Jackson would be incredible.

Now on to Butch..... you can't see the difference between winning the Super Bowl and winning the Pinstripe Bowl?? You can't see the difference between the Dallas Cowboys and TCU? You can't see the difference between Jimmy Johnson and Gary Patterson?




Johnson/Cowboys/Multiple Super Bowls = ELITE.

Patterson/TCU/Pinstripe Bowl = NOT THE SAME BALLPARK

 

[User-4525]

How about Urban Meyer, who before signing with Florida was a head coach at Bowling Green and Utah (when they were in the MAC), I'm guessing pre-Florida Urban wouldn't have met your standards and wouldn't have made your well thought out list?

Florida got lucky with Urban Meyer. They had a run of bad coaches before that. Also, what works at Florida won't necessarily work at Miami.

What I know is we have risen from the ashes in the past, and we've used the same formula every time. Howard and Butch's previous experience before taking the Miami job is very very similar.

We know what works AT MIAMI, so it's just to go out and get that guy.

Florida hires a guy with an innovative offense and a records of 22-2 (Utah) and 17-6 (Bowling green,74%). Urban's two precedessors at BG had winning percentages of 54% and 39%. Urban's precedessor at Utah hadn't won ten games since 1994 (Urban did that twice in his two years). Florida just got lucky.

I'm sure Urban's formula of an obsessing to win national championships, bringing in an elite coaching staff, running a spread offense, adapting the system to your players, and great recruiting wouldn't work at Miami.

Can you explain to me how hiring Butch Davis (no HC experience, college and NFL DC), Jimmy Johnson (southern guy with a 29-25 record in ok state, defensive specialist, no NFL exp.), Dennis erickson (west coast guy with slightly above .500 record & offensive mind, no NFL exp.), and Howard (NFL guy that failed as a hc prior to miami) is the same formula?

 

[Klamalama]

Anybody posting a preference for Butch Davis over Chip Kelly is declaring themselves as idiots.

Nobody, but "still living in the past" Hurricanes' fans, would go with that way of thinking. Chip Kelly might be the only "can't miss" prospect up for discussion ...

No credibility for any of you guys going overboard with the Butch infatuation.

As an Eagles fan, I join my fellow devotees in asking, "WHERE THE **** IS THE OFFENSE FROM THIS OFFENSIVE GENIUS?"

Can't miss?!? He's missing by MILES!!!

He's decimated the roster, getting rid of ME players that don't fit his system. Except that the new ones are INFERIOR. Does this sound a wee bit familiar?!?

 

[poncho0091]

Anybody posting a preference for Butch Davis over Chip Kelly is declaring themselves as idiots.

Nobody, but "still living in the past" Hurricanes' fans, would go with that way of thinking. Chip Kelly might be the only "can't miss" prospect up for discussion ...

No credibility for any of you guys going overboard with the Butch infatuation.

I don't believe Chip Kelly would do well in Miami, not because the talent doesn't fit as I think talent wise it's the perfect fit, but because Chip would not know how to deal with Miami type players attitudes imo. He would end up recruiting a bunch of good guys like Al and waste the recruiting advantage he would have.

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

How about Urban Meyer, who before signing with Florida was a head coach at Bowling Green and Utah (when they were in the MAC), I'm guessing pre-Florida Urban wouldn't have met your standards and wouldn't have made your well thought out list?

Florida got lucky with Urban Meyer. They had a run of bad coaches before that. Also, what works at Florida won't necessarily work at Miami.

What I know is we have risen from the ashes in the past, and we've used the same formula every time. Howard and Butch's previous experience before taking the Miami job is very very similar.

We know what works AT MIAMI, so it's just to go out and get that guy.

Florida hires a guy with an innovative offense and a records of 22-2 (Utah) and 17-6 (Bowling green,74%). Urban's two precedessors at BG had winning percentages of 54% and 39%. Urban's precedessor at Utah hadn't won ten games since 1994 (Urban did that twice in his two years).

Florida just got lucky. I'm sure Urban's formula of an obsessive desire to win, bringing in an elite coaching staff, running a spread offense, adapting the system to your players, and great recruiting wouldn't work at Miami.

OK.

Find me a guy with a 22-2 record.


I'll save you the suspense. Tom Herman has won a whopping 4 games (his predecessors have had multiple 10 win seasons and recruited all his players), and Justin Fuente is 22-20.


It's a joke to compare these guys to Urban Meyer.

 

[User-4525]

Can you explain to me how hiring Butch Davis (no HC experience, NFL exp. as DC), Jimmy Johnson (southern guy with a 29-25 record in ok state, defensive specialist, & no NFL exp.), Dennis erickson (west coast guy with slightly above .500 record, no NFL exp. & offensive mind), and Howard (NFL guy that failed as a hc prior to miami) is the same formula?

 

[User-4525]

How about Urban Meyer, who before signing with Florida was a head coach at Bowling Green and Utah (when they were in the MAC), I'm guessing pre-Florida Urban wouldn't have met your standards and wouldn't have made your well thought out list?

Florida got lucky with Urban Meyer. They had a run of bad coaches before that. Also, what works at Florida won't necessarily work at Miami.

What I know is we have risen from the ashes in the past, and we've used the same formula every time. Howard and Butch's previous experience before taking the Miami job is very very similar.

We know what works AT MIAMI, so it's just to go out and get that guy.

Florida hires a guy with an innovative offense and a records of 22-2 (Utah) and 17-6 (Bowling green,74%). Urban's two precedessors at BG had winning percentages of 54% and 39%. Urban's precedessor at Utah hadn't won ten games since 1994 (Urban did that twice in his two years).

Florida just got lucky. I'm sure Urban's formula of an obsessive desire to win, bringing in an elite coaching staff, running a spread offense, adapting the system to your players, and great recruiting wouldn't work at Miami.

OK.

Find me a guy with a 22-2 record.


I'll save you the suspense. Tom Herman has won a whopping 4 games (his predecessors have had multiple 10 win seasons and recruited all his players), and Justin Fuente is 22-20.


It's a joke to compare these guys to Urban Meyer.

The only reason Urban Meyer keeps getting brought up is because of your sweeping generalization that all MAC coaches are suck. Additionally, if the HC is not in a P5 conference, you state that they coach in the "MAC"

And you are wrong. His predecessor had a record of 21-17 and no ten win seasons. Kevin Sumlin (the guy w/ ten win seasons) has no players left on Herman's roster.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Anybody posting a preference for Butch Davis over Chip Kelly is declaring themselves as idiots.

Nobody, but "still living in the past" Hurricanes' fans, would go with that way of thinking. Chip Kelly might be the only "can't miss" prospect up for discussion ...

No credibility for any of you guys going overboard with the Butch infatuation.

You think that way because you're an idiot. Don't feel bad, there's a few more here that you can go and sit in the corner with.

And I used to wonder why girls turned to lesbianism. Jeez. Mystery solved.

I'd like to say that bag-of-gas statement made some point - I'd like to - but I'd be lying my a$$ off.

You get no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[User-4525]

Anybody posting a preference for Butch Davis over Chip Kelly is declaring themselves as idiots.

Nobody, but "still living in the past" Hurricanes' fans, would go with that way of thinking. Chip Kelly might be the only "can't miss" prospect up for discussion ...

No credibility for any of you guys going overboard with the Butch infatuation.

I don't believe Chip Kelly would do well in Miami, not because the talent doesn't fit as I think talent wise it's the perfect fit, but because Chip would not know how to deal with Miami type players attitudes imo. He would end up recruiting a bunch of good guys like Al and waste the recruiting advantage he would have.

Can you define "good guys" for me. What south Florida players did Al Golden pass on because of they weren't a "good guy"? I think it's safe to say Jordan scarlett, travis rudolph, ermon lane, dalvin cook, brandon powell, and more would have all been enticed to sign with Miami if Chip was our coach the past 5 years.

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

Can you explain to me how hiring Butch Davis (no HC experience, NFL exp. as DC), Jimmy Johnson (southern guy with a 29-25 record in ok state, defensive specialist, & no NFL exp.), Dennis erickson (west coast guy with slightly above .500 record, no NFL exp. & offensive mind), and Howard (NFL guy that failed as a hc prior to miami) is the same formula?

Butch and Howard resurrected us from the garbage heap.

Jimmy and Dennis came in when we were rolling.

Right now, this program is in the garbage. We need a Howard/Butch type. Which if you look at it, they have very similar histories.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Can you explain to me how hiring Butch Davis (no HC experience, NFL exp. as DC), Jimmy Johnson (southern guy with a 29-25 record in ok state, defensive specialist, & no NFL exp.), Dennis erickson (west coast guy with slightly above .500 record, no NFL exp. & offensive mind), and Howard (NFL guy that failed as a hc prior to miami) is the same formula?

Not the same formula, but it worked out like this:

Schnellenberger built the team from near extinction to a National Championship - Jimmy came in to a winning program, passed off the winning program to Ericksen, near-sudden death, and Butch built it back from near-extinction once again.

Only two took on a ruined program and built up a top drawer program - Howard and Butch.

Butch spent 15 years with Jimmy, did a lot of Jimmy's recruiting, and used those talents to build a team while losing 31 scholarships.

Formula?

Two great builders, and one of them is Schnellenberger. The other . . .

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

How about Urban Meyer, who before signing with Florida was a head coach at Bowling Green and Utah (when they were in the MAC), I'm guessing pre-Florida Urban wouldn't have met your standards and wouldn't have made your well thought out list?

Florida got lucky with Urban Meyer. They had a run of bad coaches before that. Also, what works at Florida won't necessarily work at Miami.

What I know is we have risen from the ashes in the past, and we've used the same formula every time. Howard and Butch's previous experience before taking the Miami job is very very similar.

We know what works AT MIAMI, so it's just to go out and get that guy.

Florida hires a guy with an innovative offense and a records of 22-2 (Utah) and 17-6 (Bowling green,74%). Urban's two precedessors at BG had winning percentages of 54% and 39%. Urban's precedessor at Utah hadn't won ten games since 1994 (Urban did that twice in his two years).

Florida just got lucky. I'm sure Urban's formula of an obsessive desire to win, bringing in an elite coaching staff, running a spread offense, adapting the system to your players, and great recruiting wouldn't work at Miami.

OK.

Find me a guy with a 22-2 record.


I'll save you the suspense. Tom Herman has won a whopping 4 games (his predecessors have had multiple 10 win seasons and recruited all his players), and Justin Fuente is 22-20.


It's a joke to compare these guys to Urban Meyer.

The only reason Urban Meyer keeps getting brought up is because of your sweeping generalization that all MAC coaches are suck. Additionally, if the HC is not in a P5 conference, you state that they coach in the "MAC"

And you are wrong. His predecessor had a record of 21-17 and no ten win seasons. Kevin Sumlin (the guy w/ ten win seasons) has no players left on Herman's roster.

OK, but until you find me a coach with a 22-2 record, you have no business comparing these guys to Urban Meyer.

 

[The Franchise]

Anyone with a doubt that Chip Kelly would murder at UM should go long ways on the wrists with a razor because you're too dopey to keep stealing oxygen from amoebas.

 

[User-4525]

Florida got lucky with Urban Meyer. They had a run of bad coaches before that. Also, what works at Florida won't necessarily work at Miami.

What I know is we have risen from the ashes in the past, and we've used the same formula every time. Howard and Butch's previous experience before taking the Miami job is very very similar.

We know what works AT MIAMI, so it's just to go out and get that guy.

Florida hires a guy with an innovative offense and a records of 22-2 (Utah) and 17-6 (Bowling green,74%). Urban's two precedessors at BG had winning percentages of 54% and 39%. Urban's precedessor at Utah hadn't won ten games since 1994 (Urban did that twice in his two years).

Florida just got lucky. I'm sure Urban's formula of an obsessive desire to win, bringing in an elite coaching staff, running a spread offense, adapting the system to your players, and great recruiting wouldn't work at Miami.

OK.

Find me a guy with a 22-2 record.


I'll save you the suspense. Tom Herman has won a whopping 4 games (his predecessors have had multiple 10 win seasons and recruited all his players), and Justin Fuente is 22-20.


It's a joke to compare these guys to Urban Meyer.

The only reason Urban Meyer keeps getting brought up is because of your sweeping generalization that all MAC coaches are suck. Additionally, if the HC is not in a P5 conference, you state that they coach in the "MAC"

And you are wrong. His predecessor had a record of 21-17 and no ten win seasons. Kevin Sumlin (the guy w/ ten win seasons) has no players left on Herman's roster.

OK, but until you find me a coach with a 22-2 record, you have no business comparing these guys to Urban Meyer.

Can I compare these guys to

Nick Saban: 9-2 at Toledo before Mich. St.
Brian Kelly 19-16 at Central Michigan before moving to Cincy (BCS team)
Gary Pinkel: 66% winning percentage before Mizzou
Art Briles: 34-28 (only one ten win season) at houston before going to Baylor
Mark Dantonio: 18-17 at Cincy before Mich. State

or how about all these guys w/ no prior HC exp.

Dabo Swinney
Jimbo Fisher
Mark Richt
Gary Patterson
Mark Helfrich

Many different ways to find a good head coach. If he can coach (and Herman can) then he can coach

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

Florida hires a guy with an innovative offense and a records of 22-2 (Utah) and 17-6 (Bowling green,74%). Urban's two precedessors at BG had winning percentages of 54% and 39%. Urban's precedessor at Utah hadn't won ten games since 1994 (Urban did that twice in his two years).

Florida just got lucky. I'm sure Urban's formula of an obsessive desire to win, bringing in an elite coaching staff, running a spread offense, adapting the system to your players, and great recruiting wouldn't work at Miami.

OK.

Find me a guy with a 22-2 record.


I'll save you the suspense. Tom Herman has won a whopping 4 games (his predecessors have had multiple 10 win seasons and recruited all his players), and Justin Fuente is 22-20.


It's a joke to compare these guys to Urban Meyer.

The only reason Urban Meyer keeps getting brought up is because of your sweeping generalization that all MAC coaches are suck. Additionally, if the HC is not in a P5 conference, you state that they coach in the "MAC"

And you are wrong. His predecessor had a record of 21-17 and no ten win seasons. Kevin Sumlin (the guy w/ ten win seasons) has no players left on Herman's roster.

OK, but until you find me a coach with a 22-2 record, you have no business comparing these guys to Urban Meyer.

Can I compare these guys to

Nick Saban: 9-2 at Toledo before Mich. St.
Brian Kelly 19-16 at Central Michigan before moving to Cincy (BCS team)
Gary Pinkel: 66% winning percentage before Mizzou
Art Briles: 34-28 (only one ten win season) at houston before going to Baylor
Mark Dantonio: 18-17 at Cincy before Mich. State

or how about all these guys w/ no prior HC exp.

Dabo Swinney
Jimbo Fisher
Mark Richt
Gary Patterson
Mark Helfrich

Many different ways to find a good head coach. If he can coach (and Herman can) then he can coach

He's only coached 4 games. MAYBE he's a good coach, maybe he isn't. Why roll the dice?

Also, notice a trend?

From Toledo to Michigan State (NOT ALABAMA)
From Central Michigan to Cincy (NOT NOTRE DAME)
Missouri, Baylor, Michigan State again, etc etc


It all comes down to expectations. I expect us to be like Alabama, Notre Dame, and hire the guy away from a Michigan State or Cincy.

We're not Cincinnati. We're not even Michigan State. We should be a cut above those teams.

We hired Jimmy away from Oklahoma State (big 8) and Dennis away from Washington State (PAC).

Why are we lowering our expectations?