How many Canes would start at Alabama?

[marshallrc13]

Just trying to gauge the distance we need to travel.
I say: Kaaya, Coley and maybe Njoku...

Corn, right off the top of my head without giving it much thought.

 

[marshallrc13]

Would say Grace but his size would keep him off the field in their system.

 

[marshallrc13]

Chad Thomas would be a super star there!

 

[Coach Macho]

there are alot more canes would start at bama then u list. first off coley. his speed, size blend would start instantly, yearby, walton would compete to be 1a and 1b backs there, njoku would start at te no doubt. mcdermott to me would start on oline maybe at gaurd but he would start there, dl wise chad thomas would start at de, muhammed as a rush player, willis would compete to be in rotation. grace and his speed would play in nickle and corn elder and probably jaquan johnson would have a shot in that secondary.

there is talent on this team not matter how poorly used it was.

lol

 

[Coach Macho]

Kaaya

Maybe Njoku, unless they're in Pro sets. I don't see him blocking DE's.

Chad Thomas would play a roll, don't know if he'd start though.

I'd day Corn but I thought Bama liked bigger CB's.

Grace would find himself in a 3rd down package probably.

Coley.

 

[maurice3p]

Brad Kaaya & Stacy Coley.

Jaquan Johnson would start by his sophomore year.

 

[Grisha.Otrepyev]

Just trying to gauge the distance we need to travel.
I say: Kaaya, Coley and maybe Njoku...

Corn, right off the top of my head without giving it much thought.

Corn is too small for bama scheme. And they use a safety type at star/nickel

Which 6 foot 200 pound 5 star would he start over?

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

That article literally points out he hasnt graded out nearly as bad Seantrel Has. Titans need more out Warmack but he isnt worst in the league at his position lol

It does nothing of the sort. It rates Warmack amongst guards and doesn't even mention Seantrel's name. It mentions Marshall Yanda and other linemen in the draft class including other Alabama bust DJ Fluker. What are you talking about?

It gives his rating which isnt nearly as bad as Seantrels.

...At a different, much more competitive, position and Seantrel's name isn't even mentioned which is what you implied. He still isn't referenced.

The article points out he isnt literally worst at his position unlike Seantrel... You are just making your self look worse and worse every post by continuing to defend Seantrel.

And you are making yourself look like a tailspinning jabroni by trying to put words in the article's mouth. It never mentions the word, "Seantrel," or, "Henderson," it doesn't mention Seantrel's position, and it only focuses on Yanda and the other 1st round OL from Warmack's draft class. And please post Seantrel's positional ranking while you steam over not reading the article. So how about you just admit that you either didn't read the article or that Seantrel is better than Warmack/it's a push, take your L, and beat it.

By the way, Bills rookie Seantrel Henderson looks nothing like a projected football bust - Yahoo Sports

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/11/04/ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-9/

Seantrel Henderson leads all players in performance-based pay | ProFootballTalk

But yeah Seantrel is the worst not middle of the pack like I said. Pffff.

 

[RoCanes]

The best players at Miami are as good or better than the best players at Alabama.

A guy who coached at both schools told me that directly, and the examples he used (Miller v. Richardson, Vernon v. Upshaw, Seantrel v. Any Bama OL) all proved true in the NFL.

The difference is coaching, conditioning and depth.

Bama returns 57 players who are 5/4 recruits..10 5 stars/47 4's
Canes returns no 5 star recruit 38 4's

Bama 2016 class 25 recruits 20 4's compared to Miami's 11 4's out of 18 players.. **** near 2 to 1 ratio
Bama has 71 4's from 2012 to 2015
Miami had 39 during the same time
That's 32 more talented players to develop,conditioned and better overall depth
Bama avgs 17 4's a class compared to Miami 9 a class
From 2012 to 2015 Miami had 46 3's compared to Bama's 18 3's
FYI 2016 classes 7 to 5 3's Miami

There is a talent gap between Bama and Miami

Saban has had the number 1 recruiting classes since 2011.
5 years in a row
going 62-7

That's at 12-1 a year!
4 natty's in 7 years
its not just his coaching look at the "talent" he's brought to Bama

 

[Martycane]

The best players at Miami are as good or better than the best players at Alabama.

A guy who coached at both schools told me that directly, and the examples he used (Miller v. Richardson, Vernon v. Upshaw, Seantrel v. Any Bama OL) all proved true in the NFL.

The difference is coaching, conditioning and depth.

Bama returns 57 players who are 5/4 recruits..10 5 stars/47 4's
Canes returns no 5 star recruit 38 4's

Bama 2016 class 25 recruits 20 4's compared to Miami's 11 4's out of 18 players.. **** near 2 to 1 ratio
Bama has 71 4's from 2012 to 2015
Miami had 39 during the same time
That's 32 more talented players to develop,conditioned and better overall depth
Bama avgs 17 4's a class compared to Miami 9 a class
From 2012 to 2015 Miami had 46 3's compared to Bama's 18 3's
FYI 2016 classes 7 to 5 3's Miami

There is a talent gap between Bama and Miami

Saban has had the number 1 recruiting classes since 2011.
5 years in a row
going 62-7

That's at 12-1 a year!
4 natty's in 7 years
its not just his coaching look at the "talent" he's brought to Bama

Good stuff. Depressing. I'm hoping we can get to that recruiting level by 2018.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

The best players at Miami are as good or better than the best players at Alabama.

A guy who coached at both schools told me that directly, and the examples he used (Miller v. Richardson, Vernon v. Upshaw, Seantrel v. Any Bama OL) all proved true in the NFL.

The difference is coaching, conditioning and depth.

Don't be a Happy Adjuster. It's sad, and merely setting yourself up for disappointment, along with anyone gullible enough to follow.

Naturally there are isolated examples. You found them. Big deal. It's another version of relying on the exception rather than the rule and somehow believing it has a fleck of value.

Who cares what someone told you, regardless of their background? He probably has Happy Adjuster tendencies also. It's so comically popular, like the claims that Schnellenberger would have won 5 or 7 titles if he had stayed. Sure, he'd be Even money against the nation every year. That's essentially the math, even if Happy Adjusters have no clue toward the burden. Why bother with that when we can merely assert this guy is the best position coach in the nation, and so forth? It's not enough to be improved. We have birthright to immediate best in the nation among 120+ programs. Makes perfect sense. I'm sure if it would be 3/5 odds if there were some way to reveal and certify.

Alabama has superior players right now. Top line and depth. It doesn't mean it will remain that way, or that naturally there aren't isolated players from other teams who would crack their lineup. That's sheer normal distribution reality. Alabama is in its prolonged golden era, like we enjoyed in the 80s and early '90s. The difference is Alabama is rugged physically, instead of relying so much on flash and finesse. Consequently they don't have the vulnerability against blue collar teams. Just the opposite. They may struggle against elite spread teams but that doesn't mean they aren't eligible to simply outscore those teams. When the Canes faced the nemesis blue collar teams at highest level it essentially was a system shock and we fell apart. Not much swagger when you can't manage even 20 points.

The litmus test in this thread was Corn Elder. I had to laugh when so many posters immediately named him on Alabama's starting lineup. Laughable. He's a nice player on our roster so naturally we assign him to high levels elsewhere. Meanwhile, Saban's specialty is defense and particularly the secondary. Breakdowns in that area frost him more than any other. I was impressed that several posters deeper in the thread detailed the situation well. Saban has 5 star players all over that secondary, guys with ideal stature and skills. Alabama was young in the secondary in 2015 but they are elite talents, simply above Elder's level.

It's the same thing Urban Meyer is doing at Ohio State. That first round in April is going to be loaded with Buckeyes. Shockingly so. All the pundits will wonder how that team missed out on the final four. Meanwhile, we have a few guys picked in the 2nd through 6th round and want to pretend it's just a coaching gap...nothing more. I'll be relieved when and if we are the trump card program again, monopolizing the first round like Jerome Brown, Highsmith, Eddie Brown, Irvin, etc. in the '80s and then the dominant wave in the early 2000s. Let everybody else rely on low percentage Happy Adjusting.

 

[kmwcane]

The best players at Miami are as good or better than the best players at Alabama.

A guy who coached at both schools told me that directly, and the examples he used (Miller v. Richardson, Vernon v. Upshaw, Seantrel v. Any Bama OL) all proved true in the NFL.

The difference is coaching, conditioning and depth.

Don't be a Happy Adjuster. It's sad, and merely setting yourself up for disappointment, along with anyone gullible enough to follow.

Naturally there are isolated examples. You found them. Big deal. It's another version of relying on the exception rather than the rule and somehow believing it has a fleck of value.

Who cares what someone told you, regardless of their background? He probably has Happy Adjuster tendencies also. It's so comically popular, like the claims that Schnellenberger would have won 5 or 7 titles if he had stayed. Sure, he'd be Even money against the nation every year. That's essentially the math, even if Happy Adjusters have no clue toward the burden. Why bother with that when we can merely assert this guy is the best position coach in the nation, and so forth? It's not enough to be improved. We have birthright to immediate best in the nation among 120+ programs. Makes perfect sense. I'm sure if it would be 3/5 odds if there were some way to reveal and certify.

Alabama has superior players right now. Top line and depth. It doesn't mean it will remain that way, or that naturally there aren't isolated players from other teams who would crack their lineup. That's sheer normal distribution reality. Alabama is in its prolonged golden era, like we enjoyed in the 80s and early '90s. The difference is Alabama is rugged physically, instead of relying so much on flash and finesse. Consequently they don't have the vulnerability against blue collar teams. Just the opposite. They may struggle against elite spread teams but that doesn't mean they aren't eligible to simply outscore those teams. When the Canes faced the nemesis blue collar teams at highest level it essentially was a system shock and we fell apart. Not much swagger when you can't manage even 20 points.

The litmus test in this thread was Corn Elder. I had to laugh when so many posters immediately named him on Alabama's starting lineup. Laughable. He's a nice player on our roster so naturally we assign him to high levels elsewhere. Meanwhile, Saban's specialty is defense and particularly the secondary. Breakdowns in that area frost him more than any other. I was impressed that several posters deeper in the thread detailed the situation well. Saban has 5 star players all over that secondary, guys with ideal stature and skills. Alabama was young in the secondary in 2015 but they are elite talents, simply above Elder's level.

It's the same thing Urban Meyer is doing at Ohio State. That first round in April is going to be loaded with Buckeyes. Shockingly so. All the pundits will wonder how that team missed out on the final four. Meanwhile, we have a few guys picked in the 2nd through 6th round and want to pretend it's just a coaching gap...nothing more. I'll be relieved when and if we are the trump card program again, monopolizing the first round like Jerome Brown, Highsmith, Eddie Brown, Irvin, etc. in the '80s and then the dominant wave in the early 2000s. Let everybody else rely on low percentage Happy Adjusting.

Another long winded post with lots of words that really says nothing at all. A typical Awsi post. I mean look at this nugget "[t]he difference is Alabama is rugged physically, instead of relying so much on flash and finesse." Unbelievable that this clown thinks Miami of the 80s-2000s was flash and finesse and not tough.

 

[58straight]

here's an article that basically breaks down saban's recruiting in a nutshell on average his recruits are just bigger physically and stronger than other incoming recruits at other schools when looking at height and weight meausrements Nick Saban's Secret Recruiting Recipe | Bleacher Report

 

[Brooklyndee]

The best players at Miami are as good or better than the best players at Alabama.

A guy who coached at both schools told me that directly, and the examples he used (Miller v. Richardson, Vernon v. Upshaw, Seantrel v. Any Bama OL) all proved true in the NFL.

The difference is coaching, conditioning and depth.

Seantrel better or equal to the best lineman Bama has put in the league? Please put down the crack pipe.

Yall trolls that come on here gotta cut it out. Please explain who this oh so amazing ol is from bama? Cause coaches & other NFL players have said what a monster he is. Has nothing to do with his play here. With this crap rotation nonsense & him always being hurt. He's dominated in the league

 

[Brooklyndee]

there are alot more canes would start at bama then u list. first off coley. his speed, size blend would start instantly, yearby, walton would compete to be 1a and 1b backs there, njoku would start at te no doubt. mcdermott to me would start on oline maybe at gaurd but he would start there, dl wise chad thomas would start at de, muhammed as a rush player, willis would compete to be in rotation. grace and his speed would play in nickle and corn elder and probably jaquan johnson would have a shot in that secondary.

there is talent on this team not matter how poorly used it was.

On offense, Kaaya, Coley, Njoku, maybe one of our OL...

On defense, AQM, Thomas, Elder, maybe Grace...

Out of our starting 22, I'd venture to say 8-9 guys would be starting at Alabama.

That being said, I think at least 15-16 of those guys would be competing for serious playing time.

Holy ****... U two are off your **** rockers.

Yearby AND Walton over Heisman winner Derrick Henry? No. Just NO.

Kaaya, Coley and maybe Njoku. That's it. The rest would barely make the 2 deep.

I am NOT saying we don't have talent, but you're talking about one of the best Bama teams ever.

You're off your rocker saying that. Typical fan who doesn't understand what happens on the field & the role a scheme actually plays. News for you #1 Gerald Willis,chad,Quan etc were recruited by everyone.picked us over all of em. To reaffirm that the year where Quan got suspended for breaking his roommates jaw after his roommate pushed his 3 year old son out of a car,Alabama came after him again. With promises galore. Some of these boys would be monsters in that system let alone with that coaching. Jenkins would start in that secondary too by the way.

LOL at you if you think scheme is 100% the reason some of our guys have fallen short of expectations. Our DL that argument flies but Jenkins would start for them over Jackson and Matias-Smith? Please. Stop being a Superfan and thinking our guys are all-world by default.

None one said scheme alone can be the sole reason for anything. But when you blend horrible scheme,out of position miss utilized talent & drastically inferior coaching it grades out on a large scale. Besides that obviously SOME kids anywhere you go don't always live up to there expectations & there's various reasons for it. Lastly I'm the least bit of a superfan. However I did play sports for long enough. Including right here & I do know how easily coaching & a scheme can effect a player (positively or negatively)for instance you recruit a kid (say from South Florida for instance)because of what he has achieved on the field in high school. You have said expectations for that student athlete based upon his high school achievements. Well here's the problem with that super pessimistic view of yours & many others. We'llv stick to defensive recruits since that's where the majority of the misses were under golden. 8 out of 10 kids in sofla play in an aggressive defensive scheme be it majority 4-3 or a 3-4. The common thread is all of them were based upon speed & getting after the quarterbacks. Disrupting an offenses game plan based upon pressure. That's a fact that won't change no matter how much you wanna hate on our kids. Now you get those kids to college & you tell them were gonna switch up to a 3-4 base with the core scheme being zone. If you know the sport than you know that the defense we have been running is solely created for smart less athletic kids because it give them a small assignment & as long as they stick to their zone by principle well excel. Problem with that is these kids got where they are based upon being let loose & making plays in space. The scheme we have played completely eliminates both that & virtually any football instincts. That's a fact. Past that I'm gonna say against Jenkins would start at Alabama & he'd be a sure fire monster. You'll see that reinforced this season

 

[Brooklyndee]

Have you seen who was coaching him and who called plays? Calvin Ridleys tape was compared to Stace coley a few years back. Coley has been misused at Miami. We need to Make it a point to go to him a lot next season.

That is a **** excuse for a guy who has massively underachieved his whole career. Calvin as a Freshman outplayed Stacey as a Junior, just sit and think about that for a little bit.

Wow...the really good receiver on a team that has a drop off after him in a conference with ****ty pass defense and a top OC had a better year than a really good receiver on a team with other talented WR's and a ****ty offensive line and a dumbass OC.

Calvin Ridley had 89 catches as a freshman. Demaryius Thomas had 46 as a junior. Who would you pick?

Also, Stacey hasn't underachieved his whole career. He was a freshman all-acc so that nulls that statement. Sophomore year I'll give you that...this year he still manged to have a decent year with injury problems.'

Some of you dumb ****s would probably chose Derrick Henry over Duke Johnson

Yes I would probably choose Heisman winning Derrick Henry over Duke even though Duke is amazing. Thats not even a slight towards Duke. Are you nuts?

Now the SEC has ****ty pass defense? Cool story bro.

So Henry is better than Duke because he won the Heisman? With that logic Derrick Henry is better than every RB in Miami history.

With that logic Eric crouch was amazing. Just ask vilma

 

[Brooklyndee]

The best players at Miami are as good or better than the best players at Alabama.

A guy who coached at both schools told me that directly, and the examples he used (Miller v. Richardson, Vernon v. Upshaw, Seantrel v. Any Bama OL) all proved true in the NFL.

The difference is coaching, conditioning and depth.

Don't be a Happy Adjuster. It's sad, and merely setting yourself up for disappointment, along with anyone gullible enough to follow.

Naturally there are isolated examples. You found them. Big deal. It's another version of relying on the exception rather than the rule and somehow believing it has a fleck of value.

Who cares what someone told you, regardless of their background? He probably has Happy Adjuster tendencies also. It's so comically popular, like the claims that Schnellenberger would have won 5 or 7 titles if he had stayed. Sure, he'd be Even money against the nation every year. That's essentially the math, even if Happy Adjusters have no clue toward the burden. Why bother with that when we can merely assert this guy is the best position coach in the nation, and so forth? It's not enough to be improved. We have birthright to immediate best in the nation among 120+ programs. Makes perfect sense. I'm sure if it would be 3/5 odds if there were some way to reveal and certify.

Alabama has superior players right now. Top line and depth. It doesn't mean it will remain that way, or that naturally there aren't isolated players from other teams who would crack their lineup. That's sheer normal distribution reality. Alabama is in its prolonged golden era, like we enjoyed in the 80s and early '90s. The difference is Alabama is rugged physically, instead of relying so much on flash and finesse. Consequently they don't have the vulnerability against blue collar teams. Just the opposite. They may struggle against elite spread teams but that doesn't mean they aren't eligible to simply outscore those teams. When the Canes faced the nemesis blue collar teams at highest level it essentially was a system shock and we fell apart. Not much swagger when you can't manage even 20 points.

The litmus test in this thread was Corn Elder. I had to laugh when so many posters immediately named him on Alabama's starting lineup. Laughable. He's a nice player on our roster so naturally we assign him to high levels elsewhere. Meanwhile, Saban's specialty is defense and particularly the secondary. Breakdowns in that area frost him more than any other. I was impressed that several posters deeper in the thread detailed the situation well. Saban has 5 star players all over that secondary, guys with ideal stature and skills. Alabama was young in the secondary in 2015 but they are elite talents, simply above Elder's level.

It's the same thing Urban Meyer is doing at Ohio State. That first round in April is going to be loaded with Buckeyes. Shockingly so. All the pundits will wonder how that team missed out on the final four. Meanwhile, we have a few guys picked in the 2nd through 6th round and want to pretend it's just a coaching gap...nothing more. I'll be relieved when and if we are the trump card program again, monopolizing the first round like Jerome Brown, Highsmith, Eddie Brown, Irvin, etc. in the '80s and then the dominant wave in the early 2000s. Let everybody else rely on low percentage Happy Adjusting.

What's your point that is Satan's specialty? Makes it even sadder in my eyes all the **** pulling. We drafted Landon collins last year out of there & all our coaches could point out throughout the season is how lost he was on defense & how rudimentary his understanding was of the playbook.

 

[Brooklyndee]

The best players at Miami are as good or better than the best players at Alabama.

A guy who coached at both schools told me that directly, and the examples he used (Miller v. Richardson, Vernon v. Upshaw, Seantrel v. Any Bama OL) all proved true in the NFL.

The difference is coaching, conditioning and depth.

Bama returns 57 players who are 5/4 recruits..10 5 stars/47 4's
Canes returns no 5 star recruit 38 4's

Bama 2016 class 25 recruits 20 4's compared to Miami's 11 4's out of 18 players.. **** near 2 to 1 ratio
Bama has 71 4's from 2012 to 2015
Miami had 39 during the same time
That's 32 more talented players to develop,conditioned and better overall depth
Bama avgs 17 4's a class compared to Miami 9 a class
From 2012 to 2015 Miami had 46 3's compared to Bama's 18 3's
FYI 2016 classes 7 to 5 3's Miami

There is a talent gap between Bama and Miami

Saban has had the number 1 recruiting classes since 2011.
5 years in a row
going 62-7

That's at 12-1 a year!
4 natty's in 7 years
its not just his coaching look at the "talent" he's brought to Bama

By the way while you keep mentioning all these star ratings like that's all that matters take a look back at our recruiting classes when we were dominating football. You'll be disappointed to see we always took underrated & underappreciated kids & dominated with them. By your rational then everyone else besides bama who has dominated college rankings for recruiting clearly was just a drastic letdown.

 

[TheMatador]

Lol so you are basically saying half our team would start at Alabama? I'm a Cane through thick and thin but get real. Kaaya, Coley, Njoku and maybe Corn. No way AQM and Chad are starting in their Front 4.Grace would be a 3rd down LB for them.

On offense, Kaaya, Coley, Njoku, maybe one of our OL...

On defense, AQM, Thomas, Elder, maybe Grace...

Out of our starting 22, I'd venture to say 8-9 guys would be starting at Alabama.

That being said, I think at least 15-16 of those guys would be competing for serious playing time.

there are alot more canes would start at bama then u list. first off coley. his speed, size blend would start instantly, yearby, walton would compete to be 1a and 1b backs there, njoku would start at te no doubt. mcdermott to me would start on oline maybe at gaurd but he would start there, dl wise chad thomas would start at de, muhammed as a rush player, willis would compete to be in rotation. grace and his speed would play in nickle and corn elder and probably jaquan johnson would have a shot in that secondary.

there is talent on this team not matter how poorly used it was.

On offense, Kaaya, Coley, Njoku, maybe one of our OL...

On defense, AQM, Thomas, Elder, maybe Grace...

Out of our starting 22, I'd venture to say 8-9 guys would be starting at Alabama.

That being said, I think at least 15-16 of those guys would be competing for serious playing time.

Holy ****... U two are off your **** rockers.

Yearby AND Walton over Heisman winner Derrick Henry? No. Just NO.

Kaaya, Coley and maybe Njoku. That's it. The rest would barely make the 2 deep.

I am NOT saying we don't have talent, but you're talking about one of the best Bama teams ever.

I was actually referring to their team this coming season, not last year.

Roughly 8-9 of our starting 22 could potentially start at Bama this year.

And I said 15-16 would strongly compete for playing time, not saying they would start.

Reading comprehension, folks.

"Reading comprehension"? Not taught in Alabama so no need for it in this conversation.

 

[well docUmented]

there are alot more canes would start at bama then u list. first off coley. his speed, size blend would start instantly, yearby, walton would compete to be 1a and 1b backs there, njoku would start at te no doubt. mcdermott to me would start on oline maybe at gaurd but he would start there, dl wise chad thomas would start at de, muhammed as a rush player, willis would compete to be in rotation. grace and his speed would play in nickle and corn elder and probably jaquan johnson would have a shot in that secondary.

there is talent on this team not matter how poorly used it was.

On offense, Kaaya, Coley, Njoku, maybe one of our OL...

On defense, AQM, Thomas, Elder, maybe Grace...

Out of our starting 22, I'd venture to say 8-9 guys would be starting at Alabama.

That being said, I think at least 15-16 of those guys would be competing for serious playing time.

Holy ****... U two are off your **** rockers.

Yearby AND Walton over Heisman winner Derrick Henry? No. Just NO.

Kaaya, Coley and maybe Njoku. That's it. The rest would barely make the 2 deep.

I am NOT saying we don't have talent, but you're talking about one of the best Bama teams ever.

I would go for this but think Coley is a long shot due to dropping passes...Grace would be there on speed alone...

Please put the crack down. Coley had one of the better Target to Catch percentages (72%) out of power 5 receivers.

Exactly! Dude drops 1 pass in 3 yrs against duke and people talk like it's a pattern