How is Butch Davis not in the UMHOF?

JJ won a ring. Howard won a ring. Dennis won rings. Butch didnt. He is not at their level. Ever. No reply needed.
Suck my No Reply D*ck....Erickson Won 2 Rings with all JJs kids, and guess who recruited and got them to sign with UM??...Butch...Without Butch, this Site doesn't exist, much like the 2000,01,02 and 03 teams....He was JJs recruiting Guru from 84-88....STFU on a topic you have no idea about, except the BS your Dumbazz believes.
 
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I know there has been some bad blood with Butch the way he left the school and his players faking injuries for FIU but he assembled the greatest collection of talent in UM and possibly CFB history. No one is more deserving of being inducted than him.
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Suck my No Reply D*ck....Erickson Won 2 Rings with all JJs kids, and guess who recruited and got them to sign with UM??...Butch...Without Butch, this Site doesn't exist, much like the 2000,01,02 and 03 teams....He was JJs recruiting Guru from 84-88....STFU on a topic you have no idea about, except the BS your Dumbazz believes.

oof. easy on the personal attacks. you must be a delight of a person to be around.
 
I will not try to "convert" you to worshipping Butch the God, but consider this (and I was in school for part of Butch's time and a young-alum for the rest)...

Butch tied for first in the Big East in his first two years. The first year we self-banned from a bowl game, but based on Butch's bowl record (4-0), it's reasonable to conclude that we would have won.

And if we did, and ignoring (for a moment) the horrible 1997 5-6 year, this is what Butch would have accomplished:

1995 - 9-3 - first place Big East (assuming bowl win) - Top 25 ranking (ineligible for Coaches, but #20 final AP)
1996 - 9-3 - first place Big East - Top 25 ranking
1997 - intentionally omitted for obvious reasons
1998 - 9-3 - second place Big East - Top 25 ranking
1999 - 9-4 - second place Big East - Top 25 ranking
2000 - 11-1 - first place Big East - Top 25 ranking

Now, what I'm pointing out involves a couple of things. First, I don't think he was "god-awful" on game days. Now, we know that from 1995-1999, we lost five straight to F$U and VaTech. So based on my list above (omitting 1997), F$U and VaTech account for 8 of the 13 losses shown in those particular years. So the other five games we lost:

1995 - season opener to ranked UCLA in Pasadena
1996 - loss to East Carolina in Miami - NO EXCUSES, horrible loss
1997 - intentionally omitted for obvious reasons
1998 - loss to ranked Syracuse in New York - NO EXCUSES, horrible loss due to the margin of victory
1999 - loss to ranked Pedo State in Miami - I was there, no need to go into detail on the horrible Chafie Fields TD reception, close game
1999 - loss to East Carolina in Raleigh - NO EXCUSES, horrible loss

So if you look at those five losses, three were to ranked teams, and the East Carolina losses were ATROCIOUS. The only Big East loss in those five games was the Syracuse blowout in 1998. We just...kept...losing...to F$U and VaTech...

Finally, I'll leave you with this. The first two years that Butch took us to first place BE finishes...he wasn't "out-talenting" everyone. He was stuck with Erickson's leftovers, the undisciplined bunch who helped to get us probation. I can at least see your argument in the later years. I'd also point out that Butch improved his coaching staff over time, particularly when Schiano took over for Bill Miller.

Do I wish we had won our OOC games against UCLA and ECU and Pedo State and Washington? Absolutely.

Do I wish we had beaten F$U and VaTech more frequently from 1995-1999? **** yes.

But in 6 years, we had 3 first place BE finishes and 2 second place BE finishes. We went 4-0 in bowl games. We finished in the Top 25 rankings for 5 of those 6 years. And all of that was with BRUTAL probation/sanctions and a distinct lack of support from the UM administration.

It's a pretty **** good performance from a fifth-choice coaching hire. I think Butch could have been a better game-day coach, but I really don't think that's what led to most of our losses in that time period. And I think the "talent" issue was more of a real thing in his last three years.
Everyone overlooks this. They also overlook that all of our coach had bad, inexplicable losses. Howard against Florida A&M, JJ's closeout of the 84 season as well as the Sugar Bowl against Tenn.
 
No, he didn't lie. He was staying.

UM delayed and delayed his contract - planning on holding out long enough he'd have to forego the new contract he thought was done and done.

UM cheapness.

Let's just put it where it belongs.

100%.

Paul Dee and the BOT didn't get the deal done in time and Cleveland came around with a massive NFL check for the man.

Had penny-pinching Miami signed the deal before the Sugar Bowl, Butch would've stuck around a long time.

They didn't and the Canes slipped into a two-decade funk after his kids all moved on to the NFL or graduation.
 
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Butch the gawd is such a great evaluator of talent that with the 16th pick in the 2002 draft, he chose William Green (RB) from Boston College ahead of:

Phillip Buchanon R1P17

Ed Reed R1P24

Mike Rumph R1P27

and ****drumroll****

Clinton Portis R2P50

All players he evaluated, recruited, and signed.

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Had Butch stayed one more year and won the NC that Coker did and left under the exact same circumstances that he actually did, this wouldn't even be a question.

Coker is an incredibly good man. But LoL @ the scenario that if he and Butch switched places would the results have been similar. The further the talent got away from what Freckles left him, the worse the results. Same for Shannon and Chud. They benefited immensely from what they inherited and eventually couldn't come close to sustaining.
 
Had Butch stayed one more year and won the NC that Coker did and left under the exact same circumstances that he actually did, this wouldn't even be a question.

Coker is an incredibly good man. But LoL @ the scenario that if he and Butch switched places would the results have been similar. The further the talent got away from what Freckles left him, the worse the results. Same for Shannon and Chud. They benefited immensely from what they inherited and eventually couldn't come close to sustaining.
@Caned Peach ....I sat with JJ in the Keys in 1999 with my former Wife on alittle getaway from the Panhandle. We spoke for a solid hour in Islamorada. (Mind you, this of course was when Chuck was on staff) JJ said to me that he honestly wouldn't know what to do if Butch wasn't his Top recruiter from 84-88. When I met Bobby Bowden in 98 while at a Restaurant Show in Tallahassee, (2 weeks after FSU Beat us, but was closer than the score indicated) Bobby said that Butch was the best recruiter he's ever went up against. He said he could see the Level of talent had completely changed in that game.
 
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