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How in the name of all that is HOLY do you blow ALL Three 1st round choices?

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I think Josh Jacobs pick is a reach I’m not spending a first round pick on a backup rb who also running a 4.64 either,i don’t give a **** about the hype. I like Clelin Ferrell a lot but they reached, thought he would be drafted in the 15th-20th pick range and they could have gotten him there
 
I don't think the Raiders draft by itself was awful.

All 3 were a bit of a reach - but I can understand grabbing someone a little early if that's your guy.

It's when you factor in they giving up Khalil Mack & Amari Cooper for these picks that it starts looking pretty bad.

They still have Chicago's #1 next year you have to factor in - but all of these picks better hit for them to not to look like fools.
 
My Raiders did the most Raider thing possible 2 questionable draft picks I personally love the Abrams selection but hey it's the RAIDERS
 
58straight said:
Shaq Lawson, Kevin Dodd. Daquon bowers, Vic Beasley they've had some good ones but no impact players changing the game like you want in a 1st rounder, I think Wilkins is the real deal though
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Bowers wasnt a first round pick and neither was Dodd. Beasley was a pro bowler. I just dont think the statement holds water that the first round D Lineman from Clemson are busts. A, it's a small sample size, 2 it just isnt true.
 
Mikesmith29150 said:
Gaines Adams, Shaq Lawson, Vic Beasley ( one great year).

They have had some high 2nd round busts as well: Phillip Merling, Kevin Dodd, Dequan Bowers
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Clemson D Linemand drafted in the first round are not busts. Just look at the last 6 of them who were drafted in the first round. More than half had good, long careers, 1 died young.
 
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Mikesmith29150 said:
Okay, if you like mediocre high draft picks then that's your thing. Touche
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Lol 2 guys current playing in the league. 1 of them went to a pro bowl his second season. Gaines Adams was awful and was their highest defensive selection ever. Trevor pryce and Chester mcglockton were multiple pro bowlers. Then William Perry played 12 seasons. The average career for a first round pick is 9 seasons.

It's not like they're USC QBs or Penn State RBs type busts. The guys produce. It's all about expectations of the picks.
 
Smokin Sebastian said:
Bowers wasnt a first round pick and neither was Dodd. Beasley was a pro bowler. I just dont think the statement holds water that the first round D Lineman from Clemson are busts. A, it's a small sample size, 2 it just isnt true.
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You're right I was thinking of bowers as a first rounder because of the hype he was getting being an all American in college, the guys they produced aren't terrible just nobody really sticks out as a household name you can still win with guys like that though
 
I love Josh Jacobs...I thought he was criminally underrated during the season, and although I didn't follow things pre-draft I'm not surprised he worked his way up. Complete back, reminds me a little of DJ Dallas.
 
rustywalkedaway said:
The Ferrell pick shows the Raiders brain trust doesn't understand the draft. It isn't about love; it is about resource maximization.

You think he's a stud, OK. So you want him, OK. But you don't have to take him at #4. In fact, you can probably move down to the early double digits, safely get him with that lower first round pick, and snag, at least, a second round pick in the original trade down.
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Spot on. "Overpaying" for what might* end up as a great player doesn't negate the fact that you still overpaid and essentially diminished your overall Draft capital.

I'm not sure why so many people (including Draft/NFL "experts") are so comfortable in ignoring this and are just like "they got the player they love" as if the guy turning out to be a good player will completely negate a team's ineptitude about the actual mechanics of the Draft.
 
Smokin Sebastian said:
Lol 2 guys current playing in the league. 1 of them went to a pro bowl his second season. Gaines Adams was awful and was their highest defensive selection ever. Trevor pryce and Chester mcglockton were multiple pro bowlers. Then William Perry played 12 seasons. The average career for a first round pick is 9 seasons.

It's not like they're USC QBs or Penn State RBs type busts. The guys produce. It's all about expectations of the picks.
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Guys your naming are from the 80's to 90's. The list I gave you are ALL there first round picks . None have met expectations. Only one had a good year. If you like drafting guys in the top 20 in the draft to give you 5 sacks a season more power to you. That's called not meeting expectations aka BUST. I'm done here
 
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DMoney said:
Pass rushers don't need to win every rep. Dominant plays like this change the game.



Pass rushing production tends to translate. A lot of people though Joey Bosa was overrated because he wasn't a freak athlete, but his hand use and technical skill translated to the pros. That's what Ferrell brings.
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Joey Bosa had a sub 7 second 3 cone drill also, a major metric for pass rushing success.
 
Tad Footeball said:
Spot on. "Overpaying" for what might* end up as a great player doesn't negate the fact that you still overpaid and essentially diminished your overall Draft capital.

I'm not sure why so many people (including Draft/NFL "experts") are so comfortable in ignoring this and are just like "they got the player they love" as if the guy turning out to be a good player will completely negate a team's ineptitude about the actual mechanics of the Draft.
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Yep, and you don't essentially diminish, you flat out, empirically diminish. Seriously, it is like these people never even played Monopoly. Monopoly - you have limited resources, the opportunity to acquire pieces, and the question of how much to invest in both acquisition and development.
 
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Mikesmith29150 said:
Guys your naming are from the 80's to 90's. The list I gave you are ALL there first round picks . None have met expectations. Only one had a good year. If you like drafting guys in the top 20 in the draft to give you 5 sacks a season more power to you. That's called not meeting expectations aka BUST. I'm done here
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Lol I listed their most recent 6. You listed 3 players and think that's "all"? Essentially people make outlandish claims, then when called out, they realize and begin to pulls straws and nit pick to make their claim not sound so crazy. A pro bowler in his second season is considered an NFL bust, ok. Gaines Adams was a bust but the man never had a chance to make it right. Only played like 2 or 3 seasons. Just trying to be subjective and not make crazy claims about people. It's not even like the majority of the studs on Clemson's recent run have even gone pro yet
 
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