How far are we away

[M3N]

After watching these conference championship games I kept sayin how far are we away from being this competitive.

Clemson with 6th straight and no signs of slowing down.
Ohio state with 5 straight and are recruiting at a ridiculous level.

Alabama continues is historic run.

The more I watch.. the more I realize we are not even close.

These teams have an army of assistants and analysts. The teams are incredibly prepared and to the point where you have to question do they even go to class?

I’m watching D. Smith catch 15 for almost 200 and two TDS. Meanwhile we struggle getting Brevin Jordan the ball 4 times a game.

We need some serious changes to improve to that level of play and that includes Lashlees offense, S&C, etc.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

That used to be more possible than now. With as good of a class as we just had we need 1 of 2 things to happen.

1. We need to improve recruiting even further. As I’ve said in recruiting threads, outside of Williams and Taylor, our commits wouldn’t move the needle at the top 3-4 programs as far as ranking goes. That leads me to #2.

2. We need to be the best evaluators and developers in the country. Thus far, this regime has shown no signs of that. In order to overcome the recruiting disadvantages, we have to maximize nearly everyone we get. Even then, it’s tough just because of the caliber of athletes those top schools have and the support staffs they have. Not only do they get the best athletes, they have an army of support staff insuring they develop their players as well as anyone.

I agree a lot more with your #2 than your #1 — even though I agree with your #1.

Luckily Miami only has to play in the Coastal so Miami doesn’t have to recruit like they’re OSU, Texas or any SEC school. Win consistently…get better athletes…possibly beat Clemson (they did lose this year…).

Completely agree Miami has to be the best evaluator/developers. Also, agree that nothing about the current regime gives me confidence in this (not a Feeley fan). But, gotta coach ‘em. Clemson coached the **** out of 2/3*’s. Yes, they’ve done work with 4/5*’s but those backers trained by Venables are monsters.

 

[513CincycaneOSUSucks]

We are rated correctly around 15 and 2-4 in ACC. Year 2 of Diaz i will take it. To get top 5 you need a stable profram for at least 5 years to stay up in the elite consistently. Keep posting these results for next 2 years and pull recruiting classes then in 2023 we could be back challanging for championship.

 

[canes1996]

The NIL could be a HUGE asset for us. Aside from USC, I can’t think of another traditional power that can match our market/brand combo. It certainly can’t hurt!!

 

[orange&green84]

The right HC speeds up the process. But yeah, in terms of Bama, we're light years behind that school. UF was able to hang around as they caught lightning in a bottle in stumbling upon Trask and how he's helped elevate guys like Pitts and Grimes. Coney also is a beast talent as well. I'm curious what UF looks like next year when 3/4 (not sure if Grimes leaves) are gone.

Bama on the other hand.......jesus. I don't see anyone beating them this year, not even Clemson.

 

[Golsen82]

 

[MainLineCane]

In truth, 4 maybe 5 years

 

[skyman]

We have no impact players, teams like bama, OSU, clemson, lsu are hogging all the wr.. We still think south florida dawgs will get job done, while Saban is gonna put multiple wr in first round two years in a row (and just signed 3 top 10 guys again), UF has 3 wr make nfl rosters last year and then have Pitts, Toney, Copeland, Grimes, and still took Shorter, Clemson has WR after WR making 1 handed catches, We have Wiggins soft as **** getting beat up by field goal nets and high school kids..

We dont even recruit corner, how can we compete in these 7 on 7 track meets. We do ok on Dline but that oline has been oh my bad.. We will play bama soon, with them turning over their roster, lets see how that plays out..

 

[GojiraCane]

Everyone outside of the top 5-6 is closer to the the bottom teams than they are to the top.
Those top teams have different kind of athletes all over the roster then massive coaching staffs to maximize them.

College football is a bit of a joke right now.

Right. How many NFL wide receivers did Alabama have last year? 4? And how many will they have in 2022? 2025? About the same or more. How many former HCs are “analysts” for Alabama? A dozen? Two dozen?

I’m actually surprised that the NCAA doesn’t just go all the way and eliminate scholarship limits so that Ohio State and Alabama can collectively sign ALL of the ESPN 300 each year.

Again, Nick Saban is like an NFL coach with 20 first round draft choices each year. And it is getting very, very tiresome to see the same teams in the CFP indefinitely.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

We’re so far away, it’s not even worth talking about or trying to come up with a precise conclusion

 

[theibisrules]

Our first game next regular season will determine things.

 

[PineCo.]

Kirk Herbstreit said it best.. Bama, Clemson, OSU... they're not going to slow down, so you have to expand the playoffs because its going to be the same 3/4 every year. Maybe if they expanded it to 8-16 teams a few would get lucky and knock someone off, but with the way the CFP is set up nothing will change.

 

[M3N]

In 2013, Clemson lost 51-14 to FSU and looked like a total fraud despite a good record. And that was three years into their successful run.

Keep recruiting, keep tweaking, and keep beating the teams you’re supposed to beat.

The problem is... it’s more than what you stated.

Recruiting only takes you so far.

We would need to replicate this class and then some for at minimum 4 years. We also would need to maximize those guys potential, which currently is something we don’t do. Like I mentioned in my original post, we struggle to get Brevin the ball. When you recruit studs you need to feed them. None of this 3 targets a game ****.

Our entire philosophical approach needs to ripped to shreds. We have incoming guys like B.Smith, Curtis, Chase Smith, James Williams that are straight up game changers. But are we going to adjust our philosophies and tailor or systems around these guys to let their athletic abilities shine? With what are doing now there is no evidence that we will put these guys in position to succeed.

The fact that the staff wants to put Curtis at CB is laughable. The kid changes the game with the ball in his hands. Period

Will they use Chase Smith and James Williams like Isaiah Simmons? Bc those will be nightmares for OCs if they are used correctly*

Look what is currently going with Gurvan Hall. If Hall was at Alabama there is no doubt he’d be a first rounder.

Macro changes to the entire defensive staff is paramount and a step in the right direction.

 

[GojiraCane]

Kirk Herbstreit said it best.. Bama, Clemson, OSU... they're not going to slow down, so you have to expand the playoffs because its going to be the same 3/4 every year. Maybe if they expanded it to 8-16 teams a few would get lucky and knock someone off, but with the way the CFP is set up nothing will change.

The ratings decline and overall decline in bowl interest will eventually force it. But if it 2035 when the NCAA finally does it - after Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State have been to the CFP for twenty consecutive years - will anyone care by that point?

Kirk was absolutely correct in saying that 99% of teams have no shot before the season even begins. Cincinnati has no shot today, so ultimately what is the incentive to even have a program? This sort of lopsided competitiveness is going to help lead to massive program contraction. It’s like the NBA operating without a salary cap, or MLB without any spending constraints. Or the NFL without a rookie draft, where a Jerry Jones could outbid everyone for thirty first round talents. It’s no longer competitive - unless your view of CFB is that it should be limited to four to six teams.

 

[Deleted member 26015]

Two things: 1. What just happend with the website, theres this reddit like rating system on the right of everyones comment. Ew.

2. The gap isnt just that wide because we as a team are far away from the big ones. Its also because the big ones keep distancing themselves from the rest. If you want to beat Bama, Clemson and Ohio State, you have to hope for them making a ****load of errors and then you have to play out of your mind.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Kirk Herbstreit said it best.. Bama, Clemson, OSU... they're not going to slow down, so you have to expand the playoffs because its going to be the same 3/4 every year. Maybe if they expanded it to 8-16 teams a few would get lucky and knock someone off, but with the way the CFP is set up nothing will change.

That doesn’t change anything other than more teams getting to say they are in the playoff. There is little doubt that Clemson and bama would be the last two standing this year even if it were. 16 team playoff. The only thing more playoff games does is make injuries more likely because that is more likely to derail bama or Clemson than cincy or tamu

 

[clg003]

Alabama, Georgia, and LSU have 35 players who were 5* recruits currently on their rosters The ACC, Big 12, and P12 combined have 39 players who were 5* recruits currently on their rosters

@OhioStateFB has 14 of the 20 total 5* recruits on B1G rosters @ClemsonFB has 11 of the 15 total 5* recruits on ACC rosters

 

[305407cane]

Kirk Herbstreit said it best.. Bama, Clemson, OSU... they're not going to slow down, so you have to expand the playoffs because its going to be the same 3/4 every year. Maybe if they expanded it to 8-16 teams a few would get lucky and knock someone off, but with the way the CFP is set up nothing will change.

8 teams is perfect. This is year is about to be bama Clemson osu nd/tamu. Aside from the #4 it’s the same dam teams every year. It’s unreal. If it was 8 the problem would be is teams in the 8 spot would get smacked

 

[AL CANE]

Very far

 

[CanesAreAble]

OL and WR are a big issue.

We’ve recruited better there the last two cycles, but guys need to step up.

If Clark and Scaife are back at the guard positions, we’ll see more of the same unless they make a huge leap.

Some guys need to take snaps away from Pope and Wiggins.

Defensively, CB and LB are concerning.

I like what we’re doing everywhere else on the roster.

If we can have another one or two classes like we just had, we could get to that OU tier, i.e. “the best of the rest.”

 

[jw410]

After watching these conference championship games I kept sayin how far are we away from being this competitive.

Clemson with 6th straight and no signs of slowing down.
Ohio state with 5 straight and are recruiting at a ridiculous level.

Alabama continues is historic run.

The more I watch.. the more I realize we are not even close.

These teams have an army of assistants and analysts. The teams are incredibly prepared and to the point where you have to question do they even go to class?

I’m watching D. Smith catch 15 for almost 200 and two TDS. Meanwhile we struggle getting Brevin Jordan the ball 4 times a game.

We need some serious changes to improve to that level of play and that includes Lashlees offense, S&C, etc.

It's not happening anytime soon champ. Its been 17 years. They will continue to dominate. We gotta beat the duke's and North Carolina's first. Lashlee wouldn't have scored much against either of the teams you mentioned. ND has 3 points and were outclassed. It is what it is at this point. We need more analysts more coaching more athletes.