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Honest question...

The Franchise said:
Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?
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How dare you bring logic into this board?....disgusting.
 
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The difference between Rosier and ' is that Rosier clearly doesn't have the arm to be a P5 starting QB. No coach can change that. It's still Richt's fault for not having anybody else in year 3. ' made throws against FIU and FSU that Rosier could never make, but there's obviously more to playing QB than occasionally making a nice throw. Bottom line is they both suck in their own ways and Richt is to blame for all of it (whether it be bad evaluation, bad development, bad play calling etc.).
 
I think we've all known Richt is a below average play caller in this era of college football. Anyone that tries to unilaterally blame Rosier for his struggles, yet blame Richt for Perry's is clearly not attentive to Richt's shortcomings. I have no answer to your original post because the people that are acting as you imply are clearly unaware of Richt's shortcomings in BOTH quarterbacks. Regardless of who is playing Richt has them hamstrung.

Under a better OC, I think Rosier and Perry would BOTH be better. Simpler passes, screens, quick curls, more motion with Thomas and Harley for deception, etc. and I think you'd see both their completion percentages improve and our overall offense be more productive. Plus both qbs play behind an average at best offensive line.

I would agree with the point above with Kaaya in his last five games as well. The offense did gel and looked great against West Virginia to finish the season. So Richt CAN be successful. He just can't adapt very well to different quarterbacks.
 
Dingaan1828 said:
@Franchise, I think it's simply denial. Many here had high hopes for Perry. Apparently, some invested too much in the belief that Perry was the answer at QB. Well, the evidence on and off the field have not supported those beliefs. For those people, it's easier to shift the blame to someone else than to admit they were wrong about Perry.

No one thought Rosier was the answer.
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Winner winner
 
Rosier can’t make the passes available and Perry doesn’t know which pass to throw. Throw in some crappy play calling because of Richt, for whatever reason, and you have the mess we see.
 
Bearly said:
Uhh Malik did not scare off Kaaya. If Kaaya had stayed, Malik’s first year as a starter would have been this year. Plain and simple. I don’t think Kaaya was near mobile enough for Richt’s play style, but he could throw. I think he left early because our O-line was trash, and didn’t want to get injured his senior (he was taking some hits)... I think he also left because he had an over-inflated sense of his own ability.

Malik as a possible usurper, def was not an issue.
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The board was practically begging kaaya to go pro because every fan wanted rosier to play. (despite some of us, myself included, thinking kaaya should have stayed and he could have led us extremely far last year)

kaaya had a very low draft grade, was not hurting on money, and had more tools and promise ahead of him with the offense. Only thing he didn't have? a guarantee that the offense would be his all year. We'll agree to disagree on that one
 
The Franchise said:
Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?
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We got on Malik because he shows poor overall mechanics and habits as QB; which is telling for a 5th year senior. He doesn't go through his reads, he always locks onto his first target. If he's covered, he takes off and scrambles. Anything beyond 5 yards, Malik is horribly inaccurate. We have hope in Perry (where I think JW is probably better), because he shows better mechanics and doesn't have the same bad habits as Malik does on the field.
 
"Honest Question"....Do I go with
*Pastrami and Baby Swiss on Marbled Rye ...or..
* Roast Beef & Provolone w/ Roasted peppers??......I'm utterly confused...
 
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The Franchise said:
Ding ding ding!
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It seems you have found the answer you were looking for.

Truth is, a lot of people complained about his offense from the Start.

Rosier is not very good regardless to the offense Richt runs...regardless of a new OC. Would it help...Absolutely! But it will not make him a much better QB. He is just really bad.

Perry does not get a pass but he is younger and what people do not seem to understand is that Perry's mistakes stem from inexperience. An OC with a better scheme will help Perry more than it would help Rosier. It is time to move on from Rosier and a coach should understand that. Perry needs the reps in real games with Richt or a better OC to learn.

Perry has played in four real games and people have already turned on the kid so I do not think anyone is really excusing him. But is it just ridiculously simple to understand that Rosier is not very good and the future QB needs the reps.

Lastly, yes people should understand that just plugging in a new QB is not going to help. Regardless to how talented Williams is or will be, he will suffer the same fate as Perry if he stepped in NOW to run this offense.
 
407cane said:
The board was practically begging kaaya to go pro because every fan wanted rosier to play. (despite some of us, myself included, thinking kaaya should have stayed and he could have led us extremely far last year)

kaaya had a very low draft grade, was not hurting on money, and had more tools and promise ahead of him with the offense. Only thing he didn't have? a guarantee that the offense would be his all year. We'll agree to disagree on that one
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Rumor has it, Richt did not ask Kaaya to come back (which is a nice way of telling someone to leave).
 
The Franchise said:
Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.
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I’m not sure who is exclusively blaming Richt and his Son, but they do share blame, along with porous OL play and inconsistent QB performance(a lot of which also comes down to coaching).

The Franchise said:
Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.
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Malik is an average QB playing at a school that has championship expectations. When the team isn’t winning fingers will be pointed... and the two easiests places to point fingers are the Coach and QB. It was clear as early as game 4 of last season that Malik wasn’t exactly an accurate thrower, but most people were willing to deal with it because he was a gamer and we were winning... but when the winning stopped the glaring issues rose to the top.

Malik wasn’t singlehandedly the reason why the offense wasn’t working, but it was a combination of his inability in some areas combined with the other issues mentioned.

The Franchise said:
Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?
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Malik has had a year and a summer to get better, and is a 5th year senior. Richt even pulled him in a game last year and then immediately put him back in. He’s had his benefit of a doubt. He is what he is. It would seem to me that Perry is the one that isn’t getting the benefit of a doubt, as his career here is pretty much over if Malik has a relatively decent game Friday. People wanted a player better then Malik, and it’s as clear as day (after starting 3 games mind you) that this guy isn’t the answer.
 
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The Franchise said:
Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?
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It's simple for me. I've never said Malik as the sole reason this offense sucked because I saw beyond him and know the offensive play calling was trash. Malik is trash as evidenced by his horrendous accuracy (7 games of 50% completions or less) now combine that with a simplistic passing offense that hardly features motions, shifts, or 21 century design and the easiest running scheme to stop...it looks even worse with inaccurate mess like Malik at QB.

The command Perry has with his ball and his accuracy in the exact same offense is light years above Malik and I am able to see someone with his talent can be in the same offense. The offense still sucks and the play calling is trash (see FSU game).

The common denominator is Richt, his son and this offense regarding both QB's.

How about this stat: The best game Malik has had against a power 5 opponent from an accuracy standpoint (69%) is Duke in 2015 and he has never come close to this against any other Power 5 opponent. Totally different OC and play caller in 2015.
 
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The Franchise said:
They’re throwing at about the same completion rate this year.
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Look at the footballs being thrown by each guy...that tells me all I need to see.

One guy is 19 and the other is 23...I can live with the 19 year old learning on the fly bc his ceiling is higher.
 
The Franchise said:
Hoping to get some legit discussion going. It seems like Rick and son really started getting destroyed by us for our offensive failures after Perry took over. Fans are almost exclusively claiming that Perry’s struggles are a result of Rick’s busted offense, lousy play calling, and his son’s incompetence.

Prior to Perry taking over, most fans just talked about how much Malik sucked and how he was killing the offense almost singlehandedly. Malik has played in that same busted offense and failed too.

Why don’t the fans give Malik the same benefit of the doubt that they give Perry? If Rick is killing Perry with his busted offense and play calling, then why does everyone just say Malik sucks and not give him the same explanation for failure that they give Perry?
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In my book its simple, prior to coach richt getting here, rosier had already shown his ceiling and limitations i think it was against clemson(the game that got coach richt here)and after that game rosier admitted how he didnt prepare properly for that game and this and that when the Truth is he is just limited. Sine rosier has been here, he's had 3 oc's, and none wanted to start him. Now of course brad was here, but it still is the Truth. So we got evidence that rosier's struggles have nothing to do with coach richt. Also if we going this route, the question has to be asked, kaaya and rosier played under coach richt, kaaya ran the offense much smoother than rosier.
 
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Rosier from a talent standpoint was never the answer. Richt's play calling complaints are fair. However, perry not clearly winning the job is on perry. film study, work ethic, don't need to be coached up by anyone.
 
Bottomline is....Neither of these two QBs will ever sniff a NC.....As far as Williams...I pray to God he has the benefit of learning from a real OC next yr....If not, who in their right mind honestly thinks things won't remain the same??....I have absolutely NO confidence in decisions being made in reference to the entire Off playbook....
From A to Z....
 
Neither of the QBs are playoff caliber, and just wait until Jarren comes in and isnt anything special either.

If your team is a mess like this in year 3, and your recruiting momentum has stalled, your regime is basically finished at Miami.
 
Tee3000 said:
Look at the footballs being thrown by each guy...that tells me all I need to see.

One guy is 19 and the other is 23...I can live with the 19 year old learning on the fly bc his ceiling is higher.
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Completely disagree. We don't have time for "on the job training" with the team we have. If he wanted to do that then he should have started Perry from day 1. Now we are in a fight for the Coastal and there is zero room for error. Perry doesn't have enough experience to pull off 5 straight wins.
 
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