History of the Sebastian design?

Yeah, I'm talking about the logo, not the mascot costume itself. The image in the top left here:

https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/574771971178112201/

Is obviously the same design as the logo used by the Ville-Emard minor hockey team in Montreal in the early 1970's, seen here:

https://capsports2000.com/en/item38248868.php

My question is who had it first....us or them, or someone else entirely?



I would put huge money on the Canadian logo coming first.

I have NEVER seen that version of "our" Sebastian on anything at UM prior to the mid-80s. Not merchandise, not on-campus murals, not on the newspaper or the yearbook. NOWHERE.

Remember, when the split-U was designed IN THE 1970s, we did not have any other logo for UM. One of the two guys who did the design was a fraternity brother of mine (he was an alumnus when I was at UM), and he specifically told us that he had designed the logo so that they could put different kinds of silhouettes in the middle of the U, so that you could use the logo for football, baseball, or any other sport.

Thus, there was no modern Sebastian logo in the 1970s.

Just as UM has to "protect its copyrights" by making sure that high schools who use the split-U are doing so with our "permission", I would imagine that the fact that the "older" ibis was from Canada is the reason why it was either not copyrighted in the US (or at all), and/or could have been "adapated" by John Routh without having to ask permission or give credit.

Except that Canadian team is little kids. Look at the pics. A team like that is more likely to use the logo from another team than create their own. I was on the Detroit Tigers baseball team as a little kid in my league.
 
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If the wiki on it is to be believed..

The ibis was chosen as Miami's unofficial mascot by Nathan Duncan in 1926 when the school's yearbook chose its name to be "The Ibis."

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Uh...no.

Yes, we chose the Ibis as a mascot early.

HOWEVER, we did not design "the bird" as we now know it, or name him Sebastian, until much later.

It was in the 1950s that the San Sebastian dormitory designed a large anthropomorphic ibis as a part of its Homecoming float festivities.

For a while, we had a mascot costume that had an enormous head. The drawings of Sebastian, before the mid-80s, were also pretty...unlike what you see today. When I started at UM in 1986, we still had leftover "1983 national championship" gear being sold at the UM bookstore, and it didn't look great (also, like Nike, nobody could get the right shade of green before the mid-80s).

Then, Ron Fraser hired a guy named John Routh, who had been playing "****y the Game****" for several years as an undergrad and grad student at the University of South Carolina. At first, Routh was hired as the "Miami Maniac", and he also (as just "the Maniac") served as the mascot for the College World Series.

Eventually, the "round" Miami Maniac was determined to work well in baseball and basketball settings, but not football. Routh then redesigned the Sebastian costume, as well as drawing the iconic "Sebastian with the corncob pipe" logo.

Whenever we use either the corncob pipe Sebastian logo or the more PC "Sebastian doesn't smoke" logo, a royalty is paid to John Routh (who left UM when he became the very first Billy the Marlin mascot). This is the reason why the Nike rat-******** created the "clam" logo, so that they wouldn't have to pay John Routh.

Anyhow, the redesigned Sebastian (logo and costume) started in the mid-80s and has continued even after Routh left, as students (I think they pick 4) serve as the Sebastian/Maniac performers.

OC, I have a question, remember those big fuzzy things with eyes that used to be in the open side of the Orange Bowl. One was orange, the other was green(naturally) and it looked like they were floats that could move around. What was the official name of those things? I found those funny. Id actually buy a shirt with those things on...

Steve I think there were 2 names with one being Hurricanella but I can’t find anything about it online
 
Great thread. I remember seeing some of those photographs while looking through old yearbooks and publications at the UM Library when I was there. Don’t know if anyone noticed it in the photos, but during the 1970’s at the Orange Bowl the UM sideline was the north side of the field, not on the south.
 
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