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History of the Sebastian design?

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sebastian91 said:
Yeah, I'm talking about the logo, not the mascot costume itself. The image in the top left here:

https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/574771971178112201/

Is obviously the same design as the logo used by the Ville-Emard minor hockey team in Montreal in the early 1970's, seen here:

https://capsports2000.com/en/item38248868.php

My question is who had it first....us or them, or someone else entirely?
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I would put huge money on the Canadian logo coming first.

I have NEVER seen that version of "our" Sebastian on anything at UM prior to the mid-80s. Not merchandise, not on-campus murals, not on the newspaper or the yearbook. NOWHERE.

Remember, when the split-U was designed IN THE 1970s, we did not have any other logo for UM. One of the two guys who did the design was a fraternity brother of mine (he was an alumnus when I was at UM), and he specifically told us that he had designed the logo so that they could put different kinds of silhouettes in the middle of the U, so that you could use the logo for football, baseball, or any other sport.

Thus, there was no modern Sebastian logo in the 1970s.

Just as UM has to "protect its copyrights" by making sure that high schools who use the split-U are doing so with our "permission", I would imagine that the fact that the "older" ibis was from Canada is the reason why it was either not copyrighted in the US (or at all), and/or could have been "adapated" by John Routh without having to ask permission or give credit.
 
rokulika said:
Yamma Yamma...was he ghey?

No disrespect intended.
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No, not at all.

He was a drunk. But he was not ghey.

When he died, he was running for Florida state legislature over in the Fort Myers area. He had a wife, kids, and grandkids.

He worked for the company that perpetrated the massive land (scam) developments of Cape Coral, Lehigh Estates, and Marco Island.



James Fleming Obituary - Fort Myers, FL | The News-Press
 
rokulika said:
They should bring back Jay Rokeach as the stadium announcer and John Routh as Sebastian.
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I completely agree.

"Give me an M-m-m-m-m-m-m....give me an I-i-i-i-i-i-i....give me an A-a-a-a-a-a-a....give me another M-m-m-m-m-m....give me an I-i-i-i-i-i..."

"What's that spell? What's that spell? Miam-uh, Miam-uh, MIAM-UH!!!"

Always loved the white-person pronunciation of Miam-uh...

JayRo still does UM baseball announcing. Plus they have a milkshake named after him...

Jay Rokeach has announced UM baseball for nearly half-century | Miami Herald
 
TheOriginalCane said:
rokulika said:
Yamma Yamma...was he ghey?

No disrespect intended.
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No, not at all.

He was a drunk. But he was not ghey.

When he died, he was running for Florida state legislature over in the Fort Myers area. He had a wife, kids, and grandkids.

He worked for the company that perpetrated the massive land (scam) developments of Cape Coral, Lehigh Estates, and Marco Island.



James Fleming Obituary - Fort Myers, FL | The News-Press
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I am curious what you mean by land scam development of Marco Island?
 
TheOriginalCane said:
rokulika said:
Yamma Yamma...was he ghey?

No disrespect intended.
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No, not at all.

He was a drunk. But he was not ghey.

When he died, he was running for Florida state legislature over in the Fort Myers area. He had a wife, kids, and grandkids.

He worked for the company that perpetrated the massive land (scam) developments of Cape Coral, Lehigh Estates, and Marco Island.



James Fleming Obituary - Fort Myers, FL | The News-Press
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They should bring him back.
 
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PanteraCanes said:
TheOriginalCane said:
rokulika said:
Yamma Yamma...was he ghey?

No disrespect intended.
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No, not at all.

He was a drunk. But he was not ghey.

When he died, he was running for Florida state legislature over in the Fort Myers area. He had a wife, kids, and grandkids.

He worked for the company that perpetrated the massive land (scam) developments of Cape Coral, Lehigh Estates, and Marco Island.



James Fleming Obituary - Fort Myers, FL | The News-Press
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I am curious what you mean by land scam development of Marco Island?
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Exactly what I said. Do your research. The fact that Marco is an island and has managed to draw more upscale development dollars than the other two doesn't change the history of those land scams.

In the 1950s and 1960s, people would approach you in the airports in Florida trying to sell you land in SW Florida. Those areas were "permitted" long before they had infrastructure or people ready to build. Most of SW Florida is a land scam, and look, that's just a fact. I even used to live down there, so I do know about what I'm speaking.

They are going to let large parts of San Carlos/Lehigh Estates go back to nature.

The western side of Cape Coral is a disaster.

And, historically, driving out to Marco was like taking your life into your own hands, narrow roads, no lights, no development, but hey, eventually you'll get to the island.

I've been out on boats many, many times in the 10,000 Islands area. Some of it is beautiful, but that doesn't mean it wasn't developed as a land scam. And someday soon it will probably be under water.
 
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What's that about Franchise and women in the dorms? Is he that old? I thought he was a younger guy.
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Franchise went to UM in the 1980s. But I still love the newspaper headline.
 
I hate the Ibis in Green. Looks too cartoonish and soft.
 
Not sure if it was ever a thing but I’d love to see some throwback uni’s with that old U of M logo.


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I still have a beach towel with the bandage and pipe that I bought in 1967. It is my personal collector's item.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
k9cane said:
Sebastian just isnt the same without the pipe and the band-aid. That to me is 'Coke Classic' Ibis...
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I agree 100%.

Love the "sailor hat", that is definitely an update of the French-Canadian toque.

MUST have the bandages and the pipe.

I loved the old "jersey", even though it only had an M on it. I could support updating to "Miami" or the "split-U" on the jersey, but the newer "jersey" has that Nike striping from the late 90s/early 00s time period. Need to go back to a "classic" jersey.

I can't understand why some logos have the bill and/or feet colored yellow. Should be orange for both.

I've never liked the "super-muscular" Sebastian either.
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OC, I was at a book signing at All Canes a few years ago for Howard Schnellenberger and he said he absolutely hated that Miami wouldn't bring back the pipe for the ibis. It was actually very personal for him as he is an avid pipe smoker.

But yeah, all the old Miami gear of the past that I have, I refuse to throw away( yeah, Im a sicko, lol) but I really cherish the 'Coke Classic' Ibis stuff the most
 
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k9cane said:
TheOriginalCane said:
k9cane said:
Sebastian just isnt the same without the pipe and the band-aid. That to me is 'Coke Classic' Ibis...
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I agree 100%.

Love the "sailor hat", that is definitely an update of the French-Canadian toque.

MUST have the bandages and the pipe.

I loved the old "jersey", even though it only had an M on it. I could support updating to "Miami" or the "split-U" on the jersey, but the newer "jersey" has that Nike striping from the late 90s/early 00s time period. Need to go back to a "classic" jersey.

I can't understand why some logos have the bill and/or feet colored yellow. Should be orange for both.

I've never liked the "super-muscular" Sebastian either.
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OC, I was at a book signing at All Canes a few years ago for Howard Schnellenberger and he said he absolutely hated that Miami wouldn't bring back the pipe for the ibis. It was actually very personal for him as he is an avid pipe smoker.

But yeah, all the old Miami gear of the past that I have, I refuse to throw away( yeah, Im a sicko, lol) but I really cherish the 'Coke Classic' Ibis stuff the most
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So was one of our more successful long-term coaches, Andy Gustafson. I believe he is a member of the College Football HOF. Also a former Va Tech head coach. I think Charlie Tate, who succeeded him, was a cigar smoker. Back in the '50's and early '60's, when you walked up the spiraling ramps to your seats before a Friday night game, you'd always smell cigar smoke. A fond memory of those games.

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TheOriginalCane said:
rokulika said:
They should bring back Jay Rokeach as the stadium announcer and John Routh as Sebastian.
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I completely agree.

"Give me an M-m-m-m-m-m-m....give me an I-i-i-i-i-i-i....give me an A-a-a-a-a-a-a....give me another M-m-m-m-m-m....give me an I-i-i-i-i-i..."

"What's that spell? What's that spell? Miam-uh, Miam-uh, MIAM-UH!!!"

Always loved the white-person pronunciation of Miam-uh...

JayRo still does UM baseball announcing. Plus they have a milkshake named after him...

Jay Rokeach has announced UM baseball for nearly half-century | Miami Herald
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That was Don Bennett, not Jay. Don Bennett while not ******, was guest cantor at Beth Am in the 80s. He was the one who would belt out the "Give me an M...Give me an A...." at the football games.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Lokest said:
If the wiki on it is to be believed..

The ibis was chosen as Miami's unofficial mascot by Nathan Duncan in 1926 when the school's yearbook chose its name to be "The Ibis."

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Uh...no.

Yes, we chose the Ibis as a mascot early.

HOWEVER, we did not design "the bird" as we now know it, or name him Sebastian, until much later.

It was in the 1950s that the San Sebastian dormitory designed a large anthropomorphic ibis as a part of its Homecoming float festivities.

For a while, we had a mascot costume that had an enormous head. The drawings of Sebastian, before the mid-80s, were also pretty...unlike what you see today. When I started at UM in 1986, we still had leftover "1983 national championship" gear being sold at the UM bookstore, and it didn't look great (also, like Nike, nobody could get the right shade of green before the mid-80s).

Then, Ron Fraser hired a guy named John Routh, who had been playing "****y the Game****" for several years as an undergrad and grad student at the University of South Carolina. At first, Routh was hired as the "Miami Maniac", and he also (as just "the Maniac") served as the mascot for the College World Series.

Eventually, the "round" Miami Maniac was determined to work well in baseball and basketball settings, but not football. Routh then redesigned the Sebastian costume, as well as drawing the iconic "Sebastian with the corncob pipe" logo.

Whenever we use either the corncob pipe Sebastian logo or the more PC "Sebastian doesn't smoke" logo, a royalty is paid to John Routh (who left UM when he became the very first Billy the Marlin mascot). This is the reason why the Nike rat-******** created the "clam" logo, so that they wouldn't have to pay John Routh.

Anyhow, the redesigned Sebastian (logo and costume) started in the mid-80s and has continued even after Routh left, as students (I think they pick 4) serve as the Sebastian/Maniac performers.
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OC, I have a question, remember those big fuzzy things with eyes that used to be in the open side of the Orange Bowl. One was orange, the other was green(naturally) and it looked like they were floats that could move around. What was the official name of those things? I found those funny. Id actually buy a shirt with those things on...
 
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