jhtheking
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Yeah, I'm talking about the logo, not the mascot costume itself. The image in the top left here:
https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/574771971178112201/
Is obviously the same design as the logo used by the Ville-Emard minor hockey team in Montreal in the early 1970's, seen here:
https://capsports2000.com/en/item38248868.php
My question is who had it first....us or them, or someone else entirely?
I would put huge money on the Canadian logo coming first.
I have NEVER seen that version of "our" Sebastian on anything at UM prior to the mid-80s. Not merchandise, not on-campus murals, not on the newspaper or the yearbook. NOWHERE.
Remember, when the split-U was designed IN THE 1970s, we did not have any other logo for UM. One of the two guys who did the design was a fraternity brother of mine (he was an alumnus when I was at UM), and he specifically told us that he had designed the logo so that they could put different kinds of silhouettes in the middle of the U, so that you could use the logo for football, baseball, or any other sport.
Thus, there was no modern Sebastian logo in the 1970s.
Just as UM has to "protect its copyrights" by making sure that high schools who use the split-U are doing so with our "permission", I would imagine that the fact that the "older" ibis was from Canada is the reason why it was either not copyrighted in the US (or at all), and/or could have been "adapated" by John Routh without having to ask permission or give credit.
Except that Canadian team is little kids. Look at the pics. A team like that is more likely to use the logo from another team than create their own. I was on the Detroit Tigers baseball team as a little kid in my league.