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Rickd said:
He is ONE BOT member .. and he has NO operations responsibility or authority. Frenk fired Blake and he did so without consulting the BOT .. he doesn't need BOT approvals to make operational decisions. Will be interesting to see how the AD search / hire goes. There are factions within the BOT pushing in different directions .. but at the end of the day Julio Frenk is THE ONE with the hiring authority .. and he will most likely hire whoever is recommended by Echevarria and Hernandez.
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This makes more sense thanks for the response
 
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Rickd said:
He is ONE BOT member .. and he has NO operations responsibility or authority. Frenk fired Blake and he did so without consulting the BOT .. he doesn't need BOT approvals to make operational decisions. Will be interesting to see how the AD search / hire goes. There are factions within the BOT pushing in different directions .. but at the end of the day Julio Frenk is THE ONE with the hiring authority .. and he will most likely hire whoever is recommended by Echevarria and Hernandez.
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This is how it should be. The BoT has been leading this program into the gutter for the last 20 years.

In this case, this all hinges on Frenk and his advisors. Sure there's external influence but if you're good at what you do, you should be able to let them feel heard while still making your own informed decisions. If it goes south...we know who was responsible for it. No more guessing games.

Do you homework Frenk. Get the facts. Read the room and understand what we want. Develop a strategy - hire a strong AD that can hire a strong HC that can hire a strong staff. BoT give him the support and money needed to be able to execute on this. Then deliver on all of the above.

No need to get cute; just keep it simple. It's not a hard job if you're competent at what you do. Just like winning at Miami is not a hard job if you know what you're actually doing.
 
Salt said:
I agree, but I think even as football ops he will want some power over who is HC.
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he can give his opinion in the search but in college, the HC is the GM, president, etc of football. id only bring in Zo if the HC is comfortable with him (which we know Mario would be).
 
jackbenimble71 said:
TheOriginalCane said:
The real problem is that Epstein (and others) do not see it as "actively sabotaging the program". They see it as "trying to do the right thing by Miami". I'm NOT justifying it, I'm explaining why he doesn't have the perspective to realize that what he is doing is going to cause real damage.

(hopefully, that gets the thread back on track)
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@TheOriginalCane ^^^^this^^^^ spot on
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So to try and keep all these things straight from the different threads on this board, would love clarification where necessary.

- Blake and Manny were done to many BOT members after Michigan state, back channeling begins

- Frenk fires Blake after FSU

- the BOT voted on the new AD this past sunday and the results were revealed (as per your thread jackbenimble)

- the events that have transpired since would indicate that Jurich won the vote over Hernandez, to the incredible disappointment to Epstein and his folk

- Epstein and folk leak misinformation to the media and tantrum to force Frenk’s hand or get him to pursue an alternative option?

- the search committee stuff seemed to come to light around the same time as the “manny could possibly be retained narrative sprouted. Is the search committee also misinformation? Or is the search committee the alternative option that is now in motion?

- if the results of a vote can be protested so heavily to the point that it nullifies said result, what protections are in place to protect such a thing from happening again? Isn’t the result still the result, regardless of what resistance Epstein is putting up? And conversely, what's to stop the Mas Brothers and company to doing the same thing should there ever be a result from a vote that they oppose?

Appreciate it. This has been a wild thing to follow
 
smack99 said:
I’m sure if Mario got here and called and talked to the Rogers family it would be a different story…. Maybe Mario didn‘t kiss his sons or his *** enough at a camp or something and that ****ed them off. I’m a Lane guy because I do think he’s a better coach on the field/gameplanning/etc. but Mario recruiting shouldn’t be an issue especially if he put a decent staff together. ****, what happens if Mario wants to keep T-Rob as the DB coach? Rogers has been committed this long to a pathetic HC and would want to jump once a solid HC wants to come here? Doesn’t make sense.
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Gotta be more to the story.
 
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canesstevealum08 said:
Honest question if Epstein had so much power and why did Blake get fired anyway? Not flaming
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I will explain it to you the way it has been explained to me for decades. You can't win every battle. You have to pick your battles.

I think Epstein had tied himself pretty heavily to the "Blake and Manny will fix it" approach, and that eventually the time came for a sacrificial lamb (let's definitely avoid the word "goat" regardless of capitalization)...

Now that you've sacrificed the lamb, who is the new lamb, and, WHOOOA, you're bringing in an AD GOAT, Epstein wasn't ready for THAT!

Just because a person has disproportionate power, doesn't mean it's a dictatorship. Epstein won "the Manny hiring". Epstein lost "the Blake retention". Epstein is fighting hard on the "Jurich resurrection", and I have no idea who is going to win the "Return of the King (Mario)" battle.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I will explain it to you the way it has been explained to me for decades. You can't win every battle. You have to pick your battles.

I think Epstein had tied himself pretty heavily to the "Blake and Manny will fix it" approach, and that eventually the time came for a sacrificial lamb (let's definitely avoid the word "goat" regardless of capitalization)...

Now that you've sacrificed the lamb, who is the new lamb, and, WHOOOA, you're bringing in an AD GOAT, Epstein wasn't ready for THAT!

Just because a person has disproportionate power, doesn't mean it's a dictatorship. Epstein won "the Manny hiring". Epstein lost "the Blake retention". Epstein is fighting hard on the "Jurich resurrection", and I have no idea who is going to win the "Return of the King (Mario)" battle.
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great Explanation thanks
 
pi87 said:
There should be multiple options for AD and HC… interview, see who has the best vision… hire

I’d we keep Diaz… I’m sorry that’s lazy, that’s politics and to me it signals that connections are more important than success. Diaz is in year 3 and what he has going for him is that the team doesn’t give up. If this is your standard and you take this as progress you’re showing me it’s not about the actual improvement and bringing the program back to the top.

If you want that, hire an alpha male AD and let him hire a HC for football, basketball and baseball if needed. I’m a die hard hurricanes fan, but if they hire Zo as AD and keep Manny this shows me they do not care to be a serious program.
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It’s not even lazy at this point. There is not a single reason to keep ManuelitadePinga Jr.
 
CanesLifer2 said:
If the decision is frenks, and his alone; we (as a fan base) need to make it clear what we want to him.
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It is not.

I wish this board (CIS) could have more consistency with analyzing certain key UM leaders (not a knock against you, just pointing this out).

I have posted very specific critiques of Beta Blake for 5 or 6 years. When we got the IPF built, plenty of people on CIS were rushing to crown Beta Blake and shouted me down. Now everybody is happy that Beta Blake is gone.

I have posted very specific critiques of Julio Frenk for 5 or 6 years. When Julio stood up for "let's play football during COVID", plenty of people on CIS were rushing to crown Julio and shouted me down. Now everybody is happy again that Julio appointed an assassin and a sidekick, AFTER SIX YEARS OF DOING NOTHING, to clean up the AD mess.

Bottom line, Beta Blake and Julio always were, and always will be, the people that they are. Ineffective Betas who are only as good as the guys they hire or delegate to.

As for the BOT, that's a mess. Some good people, some not so good people. Not sure who will win the war. Lots of good intentions, but very little vision and follow-through. But it's not going to change overnight, without some sort of "UM constitutional convention" that completely revises how the Board is selected, operated, and empowered. And THAT is not happening any time soon. Not with Jellyfish Julio working on a month-to-month contract.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
It is not.

I wish this board (CIS) could have more consistency with analyzing certain key UM leaders (not a knock against you, just pointing this out).

I have posted very specific critiques of Beta Blake for 5 or 6 years. When we got the IPF built, plenty of people on CIS were rushing to crown Beta Blake and shouted me down. Now everybody is happy that Beta Blake is gone.

I have posted very specific critiques of Julio Frenk for 5 or 6 years. When Julio stood up for "let's play football during COVID", plenty of people on CIS were rushing to crown Julio and shouted me down. Now everybody is happy again that Julio appointed an assassin and a sidekick, AFTER SIX YEARS OF DOING NOTHING, to clean up the AD mess.

Bottom line, Beta Blake and Julio always were, and always will be, the people that they are. Ineffective Betas who are only as good as the guys they hire or delegate to.

As for the BOT, that's a mess. Some good people, some not so good people. Not sure who will win the war. Lots of good intentions, but very little vision and follow-through. But it's not going to change overnight, without some sort of "UM constitutional convention" that completely revises how the Board is selected, operated, and empowered. And THAT is not happening any time soon. Not with Jellyfish Julio working on a month-to-month contract.
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Exactly, there’s a lot of conflicting reports as to who’s making this decision, (hence why I created the thread, I kept hearing its Frenk and his advisors with the consulting of the search firm)

I just think that regardless of who is making the decision, we need to make our opinions known in a civil and intelligent fashion, destroying Epstein is funny, but to the people who actually matter, we need to be able to at least plant a seed. Even though they probably won’t care, it’s something that only takes a few mins and you never know the difference it could make.
 
1mg of Epi said:
Can u explain how he thinks he’s helping the program?

It seems apparent this is all about ego.
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I had this separate conversation with a few other posters.

There are lots of people who conflate their own particular goals/ambitions with bigger picture "I'm doing the right thing here". You often see this in politicians. Yes, the roads get built, but they also get their kickbacks.

With Epstein, I think he can acknowledge that Blake's passivity was not serving UM well. But he is also threatened by the activist nature of Jurich, to the point where he can fall back on "but what about the Louisville investigation" to serve the dual purpose of "protecting UM from a bad guy" while also "protecting Alpha Epstein from another Alpha".

Yes, to outside observers, it's all about ego. But it's hard for Epstein to have perspective. When is the last time you think that someone gave him a firm no? Told him that his brilliant idea really sucks? Refused to give him the best table in the restaurant?
 
Rickd said:
He is ONE BOT member .. and he has NO operations responsibility or authority. Frenk fired Blake and he did so without consulting the BOT .. he doesn't need BOT approvals to make operational decisions. Will be interesting to see how the AD search / hire goes. There are factions within the BOT pushing in different directions .. but at the end of the day Julio Frenk is THE ONE with the hiring authority .. and he will most likely hire whoever is recommended by Echevarria and Hernandez.
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Yes, David Epstein and Gloria Estefan each have one vote. But they do not have equal power on the Board.

And, yes, Julio Frenk DOES need BOT approval to make a significant hire at a significant pay level. In the past, and/or with a more powerful/respected President, this might have been more of a formality, but given the current BOT WWIII, Julio is not just going to be able to do what he wants. Remember, he ALSO wants another 5-year contract from these people.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
It is not.

I wish this board (CIS) could have more consistency with analyzing certain key UM leaders (not a knock against you, just pointing this out).

I have posted very specific critiques of Beta Blake for 5 or 6 years. When we got the IPF built, plenty of people on CIS were rushing to crown Beta Blake and shouted me down. Now everybody is happy that Beta Blake is gone.

I have posted very specific critiques of Julio Frenk for 5 or 6 years. When Julio stood up for "let's play football during COVID", plenty of people on CIS were rushing to crown Julio and shouted me down. Now everybody is happy again that Julio appointed an assassin and a sidekick, AFTER SIX YEARS OF DOING NOTHING, to clean up the AD mess.

Bottom line, Beta Blake and Julio always were, and always will be, the people that they are. Ineffective Betas who are only as good as the guys they hire or delegate to.

As for the BOT, that's a mess. Some good people, some not so good people. Not sure who will win the war. Lots of good intentions, but very little vision and follow-through. But it's not going to change overnight, without some sort of "UM constitutional convention" that completely revises how the Board is selected, operated, and empowered. And THAT is not happening any time soon. Not with Jellyfish Julio working on a month-to-month contract.
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Who is President of BoT?
 
jmccomber5 said:
There is absolutely no reason we should not have a men's golf program. We should have an overall athletics program that rivals Stanford (only smaller). The amount of talent in South Florida and the appeal of the area to those student athletes has not be leveraged. I've always thought we could be a **** of a basketball school as well
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Golf is a no brainer as womens softball… every program in that state has one. There are so many girls playing competitive softball in Sfla it’s crazy
 
Gi0logy said:
This is how it should be. The BoT has been leading this program into the gutter for the last 20 years.

In this case, this all hinges on Frenk and his advisors. Sure there's external influence but if you're good at what you do, you should be able to let them feel heard while still making your own informed decisions. If it goes south...we know who was responsible for it. No more guessing games.

Do you homework Frenk. Get the facts. Read the room and understand what we want. Develop a strategy - hire a strong AD that can hire a strong HC that can hire a strong staff. BoT give him the support and money needed to be able to execute on this. Then deliver on all of the above.

No need to get cute; just keep it simple. It's not a hard job if you're competent at what you do. Just like winning at Miami is not a hard job if you know what you're actually doing.
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Pretty good summation, even if I hate Gritty...
 
TheOriginalCane said:
The real problem is that Epstein (and others) do not see it as "actively sabotaging the program". They see it as "trying to do the right thing by Miami". I'm NOT justifying it, I'm explaining why he doesn't have the perspective to realize that what he is doing is going to cause real damage.

(hopefully, that gets the thread back on track)
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It's like when two people start to argue in public until people point out that everybody's looking at them.

Hopefully, last night's Twitter space was that warning.
 
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